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You gave your view, but you did not address my points at all. Quote:
By the way, shouldn't this thread have been locked by now?
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2009-07-12, 11:28 | Link #24 |
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Some people are fond of those kind of games. And its not just the 40-year old male you might imagine. Youths and females sometimes enjoy those kind of games.
However, I believe that those type of games shouldn't be marketed in places where someone young might find them. I also believe that they should be taken off the shelfs (theoretically speaking). Because these types of game encourage immoral values. Though I'm not religious, I still find it insulting to find games with nuns or other religious figures being raped. I believe that in hentai games, sex should be willing, not forceful. |
2009-07-12, 15:56 | Link #25 |
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Ummm I'm 22 and about the only rape games I've played and enjoyed were Isaku,Shusaku and Kisaku. Any other rape game just leaves a bad taste in my mouth, especially when the victims openly trust the person before they get raped and the rapist ridicules them for it, and I especially hate it when the rape victims begin to enjoy it immensely. Seeing as how I don't have that much exposure to other types of rape games I guess I can't comment much on this subject...
About the only thing I can say is I think that we all have a right to choose what type of media we enjoy, and it's stupid to just ban something when there are people who enjoy them, and if people are that sensitive about these types of games being sold, maybe it be best to have them been sold online instead of sold through stores.
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2009-07-12, 17:47 | Link #29 |
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Then why not take FPS off shelves, they kill people
Then why not take GTA off shelves, they teach teens how to jack cars Why not ban WoW since it will only encourage people leaving the concept of reality in favour of a game? Why not take RTS games off shelves, they kill people in bucketloads Why not ban games/novels containing magic, they encourage witchcraft and satanic influences
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2009-07-12, 18:27 | Link #30 |
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I am going to throw in some psychologic perspective on the harm/no harm arguement. The sensitization theory that repeated exposure to rape desensitizes one to rape, and therefore decreases the empathy one feels for rape victims. Another theory speaks about attitude changes resulting from prolong exposure to rape. I believe Drake summarized it up well in his article:
"Adverse effects implicated in pornography consumption (PC) include increased callousness toward women; trivializing rape as a criminal offense; distorted perceptions about sexuality; appetite for more deviant and bizarre types of pornography (escalation and addiction); and devaluing the importance of monogamy (Zillman, 1989). Other detrimental effects include less satisfaction with partner’s sexual performance, affection and physical appearance; doubts about the value and institution of marriage; decreased desire to have children; and viewing nonmonogamous relationships as normal and natural behavior (Zillman, 1989)." (Drake 1994) Other review articles I pulled off Medline and Psycstar that seems to review the current knowledge on this topic is listed below. If any one is interested, please have a read. Lyons, 1.S . , Anderson, R.L., & Larson, D.B. ( 1990, November). Effects of aggressive and nonaggressive pomography. Paper presented at the workshop sponsored by The National Family Foundation, titled “Media, Family and Children,” Pittsburgh, PA. Zillman, D. (1989). Effects of prolonged consumption of pornography. In D. Zillman & J. Bryant (Eds.), Pornography: Research advances ana’ policy considerations (pp. 127-157). Hillsdale, NJ: Erlbaum. My PsycStar search came up with no review articles that support the no-harm view. However, rape is not my speciality so I would welcome any other results people find. Also, quote from Drake is from his other related study: Drake, R.E. (1994). Potential health hazards of pornography consumption as viewed by psychiatric nurses. Archives of Psychiatric Nursing. Vol 8(2) 101-106. |
2009-07-12, 22:09 | Link #32 |
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What? These are ero-games, read "ero". They are all meant for people aged 18 and over in the first place so certainly you won't be finding them at any old game shop open to the public. And even if the shops do sell them they have a separate section saying "over 18s only" and I know, I've been to Japan during my last holiday. These games are plainly for adults so no little children should be touching them in the first place. However which restrictions to physical copies may be applies, there is little you can do if they go searching for digital copies over the internet. Maybe it's the adults responsibilities to protect their children from the evils that is the internet etc...
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2009-07-12, 22:56 | Link #33 |
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They're marketed all over the net.
My local 'anime store' also markets them, even with someone as young as my little brother coming in there. They really need to be more careful how they display them to the public. |
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Thanks Kylaran for that. The internet is public also. Guess that narrows down the options.
Ban rape games and take away a small part of people's rights but keep them away from kiddies? Or not ban rape games by letting people who enjoy rape games enjoy them and allow kiddies to go unsupervised?
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However, we also know that there's little evidence that increased availability of porn and video games hasn't lead to increases in rape or murder rates, which is where the hypothesis that such things can act as a release valve comes from. I see no reason to believe that rape porn is different in this regard. Quote:
(I've heard a number of webmasters sites with 18+ content say they use adult game ads on their sites because they companies behind them are some of the few companies that will advertise on sites with adult content. Kind of implies to me that the game manufacturers are pretty open about the fact their ads contain adult content.) Quote:
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2009-07-13, 01:56 | Link #37 | |
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Putting rape games on shelves would increase the rate of a child finding them. So if we take out the games from shelves, the chance won’t be as high as to compared if games are on shelves and are on sale on the Internet. We really can’t put too much blame on the parents for not supervising. There are loads of instances where parents will not be able to be by their children’s side 24/7. Actually it’s almost impossible when their children are at school
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It strikes me as a perfectly reasonable approach, seeing as I still find the reasoning I used on page one relevant here. Quote:
I'm also curious as to whether you've ever realized that any kid who goes and seeks such material out on P2P already a) knows what rape is and b) finds it hot. |
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2009-07-13, 03:01 | Link #39 | |
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Protection from these things is advisable when a child is not at a mature age enough to understand it. Finding something "hot" still doesn't account for understanding We can keep on saying that admins should do this, parents should do that, but in the end and mostly at a time too soon a child may stumble upon the games when entering an anime shop but of course "if" they're in the shop which still isn't safe.
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2009-07-13, 03:29 | Link #40 | |
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Given that I do have a rather strong crush on a girl right now, I have reason to be concerned with whether these games lead to real rape. So far, I'm not convinced they do, and your line or reasoning isn't doing anything to change that. |
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