Yuki Yuna Is a Hero: Hero Chapter (movie & TV) [Season 2]

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

On a side note, I didn't like how Taisha lost their memories of Tougou as well. It felt like a cop out so they wouldn't interfere with Tougou's rescue.

Well, Tougou asked Shinjuu-sama to make everyone forget so that her friends wouldn't be sad, not the Taisha. The Taisha had no idea there was going to be any memory tampering going on, so they were caught by it just as much as anyone else.

Anyway, we definitely need to explore some details more. That spirit place where Togou was being sacrificed, Yuuna remembered having been there before. Theories I've seen elsewhere are that her soul ended up there when she touched the vertex soul near the end of season 1, but I feel like there must still be more. Why is Yuuna, presumably not a miko, able to take the punishment for Tougou? Why did the ceremony apparently work when both of them are still alive? WTF is the heavenly gods' problem anyway? There are a lot of questions that I hope we'll get the answers to sooner rather than later.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

Well, Tougou asked Shinjuu-sama to make everyone forget so that her friends wouldn't be sad, not the Taisha. The Taisha had no idea there was going to be any memory tampering going on, so they were caught by it just as much as anyone else.

It's not like I don't get why it happened. I'm just saying it feels like a cop out, which is does. It conveniently avoids a conflict that was very likely to happen otherwise.

Why is Yuuna, presumably not a miko, able to take the punishment for Tougou?

Yuuna is special because she's a "yuuna." If you read the novels, you know what I mean.

Why did the ceremony apparently work when both of them are still alive?

That's the real mystery here. What is the mark all about? Was Tougou just being sacrificed there or was it something else? A theory I heard is that it wasn't a sacrifice but a rebirth ritual, and Tougou was gonna be the host for the revival of a heavenly god (probably Amaterasu). Now that Yuuna took her place, the god will reincarnate in her body. Well, it's just a wild theory. We'll have to wait and see.

Spoiler for kumeyu spoilers:

What makes me think it could be possible is that in KuMeYu, they said that the heavenly gods themselves might come to annihilate the humans for good. The Taisha tried to sacrifice 6 miko to calm down the gods, and Tougou took their place.

But maybe Taisha just ended up playing into a plot by the gods. Giving Tougou in sacrifice might have been a perfect chance for the gods to use her body to materialize into the physical world (if the heavenly gods are like Shinju, they might not have a true physical body but merely an astral body). But again, it's just a wild theory.

[outlaw97]

It was so nice to see some yuusha action, albeit briefly. The explanation of the new Hero system and mankai gauge sounds even more straight out of a game

Sonoko's revised transformation sequence is great too. Otherwise, I have a feeling next week will be more SoL antics since a legitimate portion of the audience wants that.

I'm a little disappointed the new OP reuses footage from the previous season, but am very approving of the references to NoWaYu.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by outlaw97

references to NoWaYu.

They really need to adapt NoWaYu. It would be the best things that came out from the franchise.

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

Yuuna is special because she's a "yuuna." If you read the novels, you know what I mean.

Spoiler:

I'm generally familiar with the previous Yuuna and the mysteries surrounding her, although I have avoided actually reading the novels she appears in because they are often accompanied with a warning along the lines of "do not read if you suffer from depression" or something similar. I suppose my quesion is basically "what is it that makes "Yuuna," as a whole, special?" Certainly they aren't ordinary girls, and they can do things they shouldn't be able to, but as far as I know we don't know how or why.

A theory I heard is that it wasn't a sacrifice but a rebirth ritual, and Tougou was gonna be the host for the revival of a heavenly god (probably Amaterasu). Now that Yuuna took her place, the god will reincarnate in her body. Well, it's just a wild theory. We'll have to wait and see.

I'd heard something not too dissimilar from that. People have guessed that the mirror inside the spirit-place which shattered when Yunna pulled Tougou out of it might have been one from a legend about Amaterasu, which was used to lure her out of hiding, which would lend credence to the idea of the ritual actually being a summoning with the intent of calling Amaterasu into the body of the person placed within the mirror.

[outlaw97]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

Spoiler:

I'm generally familiar with the previous Yuuna and the mysteries surrounding her, although I have avoided actually reading the novels she appears in because they are often accompanied with a warning along the lines of "do not read if you suffer from depression" or something similar. I suppose my quesion is basically "what is it that makes "Yuuna," as a whole, special?" Certainly they aren't ordinary girls, and they can do things they shouldn't be able to, but as far as I know we don't know how or why.

Open only if you have no intention of reading NoWaYu - it is definitely the bleakest part of the franchise thus far.

Spoiler:

One of the first heroes that fought alongside Nogi Wakaba was also named Yuuna, who fought bravely and in the end was absorbed by Shinjuu-sama. After that, whenever a baby is born that does something peculiar (I think it was described as clapping their hands backwards?), they are named Yuuna.

The implications of what I wrote above are up to anybody's guess, but yeah, that's why she's special.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

Spoiler:

I'm generally familiar with the previous Yuuna and the mysteries surrounding her, although I have avoided actually reading the novels she appears in because they are often accompanied with a warning along the lines of "do not read if you suffer from depression" or something similar. I suppose my quesion is basically "what is it that makes "Yuuna," as a whole, special?" Certainly they aren't ordinary girls, and they can do things they shouldn't be able to, but as far as I know we don't know how or why.

Spoiler for NoWaYu spoilers:

The original Yuuna, Takashima Yuuna was born near a shrine in Nara and she used to play a lot there as a child. As a result, she sort of gained a little of the divine essence of the place, if you will. That's why when she was about to died at the end of NoWaYu, the Shinjuu took her soul in, basically fusing with her.

Ever since then, every girl who does a particular gesture with her hands after birth is called "Yuuna" in memory of Takashima Yuuna, the hero that transcended humanity and became one with the gods.

Yuuki Yuuna is one such "Yuuna." And she's special because her soul is probably connected to Takashima Yuuna somehow.

[FlareKnight]

Originally Posted by outlaw97

It was so nice to see some yuusha action, albeit briefly. The explanation of the new Hero system and mankai gauge sounds even more straight out of a game

Sonoko's revised transformation sequence is great too. Otherwise, I have a feeling next week will be more SoL antics since a legitimate portion of the audience wants that.

I'm a little disappointed the new OP reuses footage from the previous season, but am very approving of the references to NoWaYu.

No doubt. That's....a rather convenient system they came up with. I'm going to have to presume there is a major catch or it is total BS. Otherwise why the heck didn't they do that in the first place !? Wouldn't that kind of power-up be the more rational next step beyond pure body breaking immortality!?

If nothing else though at least this was an eventful episode. Even got a funny sort of "in my day we didn't have faeries" moment from Sonoko. No doubt she would be fine just going all out from the start since she mostly fought without that kind of safety measure.

Next episode may have a bit of fun. But no doubt they are lining up for whatever the heck is going to happen to Yuna. Doubtful that doing something that dramatic didn't have a major consequence. Creepy brands are rarely ever good things....

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

No doubt. That's....a rather convenient system they came up with. I'm going to have to presume there is a major catch or it is total BS. Otherwise why the heck didn't they do that in the first place !? Wouldn't that kind of power-up be the more rational next step beyond pure body breaking immortality!?

Let me copy over a post I made elsewhere about the new system...

They can use [mankai] once, at the cost of not having any barriers left. Or they can use their barriers, but using so much as a single barrier will prevent them from being able to use mankai. And they only get as many barriers as they have petals on their mankai gauges. And they don't recharge, so once you're out, you're out permanently. Better hope you never need more than you've got.

At a guess, providing the barriers and the mankai costs shinjuu-sama an enormous amount of power, which it used the sange to compensate for. Without sange it no longer has a way to make up for the energy it's given up for all this, so out of the goodness of its heart (and because Sonoko is much more intimidating than she seems, I suspect) its provided them with one full charge each, but it simply can't afford to give them recharges.

Presumably it wasn't done this way in the first place because they didn't want to give their heroes a limited system of powerup and protection: after Gin died they wanted something that would keep their heroes protected, so they wouldn't lose any more of them. They simply failed to really consider to long term consequences of such a system on the girls' psyches.

[outlaw97]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

Let me copy over a post I made elsewhere about the new system...



Presumably it wasn't done this way in the first place because they didn't want to give their heroes a limited system of powerup and protection: after Gin died they wanted something that would keep their heroes protected, so they wouldn't lose any more of them. They simply failed to really consider to long term consequences of such a system on the girls' psyches.

I'm assuming the next few episodes will clear this up, but I'm wondering if the mankai gauge can be refilled again, and if so, under what conditions. For example, if you use a barrier you can't mankai, but will the gauge reset the next time you turn into a hero? Or is it literally a one time thing - in other words, Sonoko will not have any barriers again, and Yuna will not be able to mankai period.

Only reason this could be plausible to me is if Taisha/Shinjuu were anticipating this as some sort of final assault, and thus they don't need to think about long term consequences.

[Kazu-kun]

The gauge probably resets itself every time they transform.

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by outlaw97

I'm assuming the next few episodes will clear this up, but I'm wondering if the mankai gauge can be refilled again, and if so, under what conditions. For example, if you use a barrier you can't mankai, but will the gauge reset the next time you turn into a hero? Or is it literally a one time thing - in other words, Sonoko will not have any barriers again, and Yuna will not be able to mankai period.

Only reason this could be plausible to me is if Taisha/Shinjuu were anticipating this as some sort of final assault, and thus they don't need to think about long term consequences.

I figured this was planned for a one-use transformation: they'd go out on this mission and then be done, so no plans were made for refilling the gauge. But we'll undoubtedly find out in the future. No matter how the system works Yuuna is pretty much guaranteed to find some way to boost herself into a dangerous super mode through sheer willpower. It's just what she does.

[xizro345]

Sadly, what happened in this episode was exactly as I expected it to be, which was stupid. Again, I feel they really want the drama. This episode reinforces the idea that IMO there was no need of a second series. Also, it's likely that the limited number of episodes is "forcing" to have a much faster pace.

Also, the whole discussion about what happens in the supplementary materials, aside from making me remember why I don't like multimedia projects, kind adds the whole "Yuna is special" thing which wasn't really present in the first series (and something I hate - there was no need to justify what she does with this).

I know I sound particularly bitter, but I'm not really. I'm just disappointed.

[EroBotan]

Originally Posted by xizro345

Sadly, what happened in this episode was exactly as I expected it to be, which was stupid. Again, I feel they really want the drama. This episode reinforces the idea that IMO there was no need of a second series. Also, it's likely that the limited number of episodes is "forcing" to have a much faster pace.

Also, the whole discussion about what happens in the supplementary materials, aside from making me remember why I don't like multimedia projects, kind adds the whole "Yuna is special" thing which wasn't really present in the first series (and something I hate - there was no need to justify what she does with this).

I know I sound particularly bitter, but I'm not really. I'm just disappointed.

haha, i know something was off when huge problem as this get resolved very quickly (less than one episode). While i'm fine with what happen so far, i do hope that yuuna talk with the others about what happen to her ... though probably she should avoid talking to Tougo at the moment since I'm sure she will be guilt ridden again and do something radical again lol.

I get the feeling that there is less discussion about this series compared to the 1st season. Is this series not popular? or is it just my imagination? or animesuki in general has less people?

[RDNexus]

I'm quite sure she won't talk about the mark to anyone, to not worry them.
Which would confirm @Kazu-kun's remarks about her being a hypocrite

[EroBotan]

Originally Posted by xrick

I'm quite sure she won't talk about the mark to anyone, to not worry them.
Which would confirm @Kazu-kun's remarks about her being a hypocrite

Naah, If she won't talk I think it's because Yuuna simply loves her friends too much and don't want to make them worry. Like a husband who keep quiet about his trouble in the office, or parents who tells their kids not to worry about anything even though they're actually in trouble.

Will be nice if she get in real big trouble and her friends save her this time. So far Yuuna is a bit too perfect and doesn't have enough flaws. In the 1st season, Karin has one heroic spotlight where she saves Yuuna but the rest of the story's heroic spotlights all goes to Yuuna.

[Infinite Zenith]

Originally Posted by EroBotan

I get the feeling that there is less discussion about this series compared to the 1st season. Is this series not popular? or is it just my imagination? or animesuki in general has less people?

We're around, just not actively talking yet I personally would think that it's more prudent to discuss things after more ground's been covered in the story. It lets viewers form a more complete judgement as opposed to reactions based on individual moments; some actions may not make sense (either being inconsistent with the character or plot wise, for instance) in the short term, but have some impact later down the line that has more weight. Plus, it always comes across as being salty to react to characters' actions before we've seen the whole picture

Originally Posted by EroBotan

Naah, If she won't talk I think it's because Yuuna simply loves her friends too much and don't want to make them worry. Like a husband who keep quiet about his trouble in the office, or parents who tells their kids not to worry about anything even though they're actually in trouble.

Will be nice if she get in real big trouble and her friends save her this time. So far Yuuna is a bit too perfect and doesn't have enough flaws. In the 1st season, Karin has one heroic spotlight where she saves Yuuna but the rest of the story's heroic spotlights all goes to Yuuna.

This is the direction I'm hoping things will take given the themes in the anime. It's consistent with how the anime seems to want to present things, and seeing Yūna lean on her friends more would strengthen the whole "friendship is give and take" notion.

[EroBotan]

Originally Posted by Infinite Zenith

This is the direction I'm hoping things will take given the themes in the anime. It's consistent with how the anime seems to want to present things, and seeing Yūna lean on her friends more would strengthen the whole "friendship is give and take" notion.

let's hope they take that route!

[tomexe]

Spoiler for NoWaYu and KuMeYu spoilers inside:

It looks more and more like Yuuki Yuuna is a arahitogami as was surmised at the end of Season 1. Its just that now it seems she did not come out of nowhere but is the reincarnation of Takashima Yuuna It might even be better to say that Takashima Yuuna was the one who originally became a god.
Yuuna being a god and becoming aware of it before she gets herself killed or loses her mind is important. Because she would be the only god on humanities side who is not fixed in place as part of Shinju, and she can do things like protect a new tree created by the seeds mentioned in Sonoko After and KuMeYU. This would break the deadlock as humans could now act without weakening Shinju.

If the above is true then it makes sense that Yuuna would be able to "feel" Tougo in danger even with Shinju's memory erasure. If Tougo really is not just a Miko but Yuuna's Miko or even priestess, they have a connection that they cant break even if they wanted to, and will continue even when Yuuna's human body expires. And after today and that brand thing appearing on her chest, that looks like its going to happen sooner rather than later.

When Yuuna said she "remembered this place" was that from when she was in a coma- or from when she, as Takashima, was absorbed by Shinju to keep her from dying thus allowing Shinju to return her later? Gin proved that Shinju does not contain the goddess of the underworld and cannot return the dead to life. So when Takashima was wounded and about to die, Shinju grabbed her. This may not be the first time she has been back either, given the hints in KuMeYu about an earlier war inside Shikoku with Vertex worshipping cultists. Japanese theory on arahitogami goes that just being born, sent from heaven is not enough, arahitogami also require events to occur during their natural human lives to challenge them and allow them to realize their godhood.
Having a God that had lived as a human on their side also could stop this chronically bad communication between humans and Shinju, and for that matter the attacking gods as well. This again requires Yuuna and Tougou to fix their OWN bad communication first.

I must admit I am biased. My perfect ending is for Yuna to be confirmed as Yuuna no Kami, cause Tougou to give birth to a demi-god daughter that Tougou and Sonoko would raise and name Gin. This girl would then become a Yuusha in turn, defeat the heavenly gods, subjugate the Taisha and be proclaimed Empress starting a new dynasty.
This is my Togou-esque rant for the day
Do the writers have the balls to do this though? Probably not. Although if they did we would be in Yuuki Yuuna stories for a decade or so.

[Ernietheracefan]

Arahitogami=Jesus..??