Mahouka LN - Steeplechase Chapter (Volume 13) Discussion / Poll

[pampz21]

Originally Posted by bietchie11

Isn't her baton her CAD? How can you miss that?
What a fan!

Lol; isnt her baton a weponized integrated cad; and its only purpose is increasing the cad strength?>3

And if you watch the anime...theres no activation sequence on her self accel magic.? The only magic that doesnt show activation sequence is that of Tatsuya and Erika so far?...or is that the anime staff forgot to put her some Active sequence?....besides how can I miss that?

EDIT: After watching Ep. 15 Now I get it; why they didnt used activation sequence with Tatsuya, Erika ; I think because the activation sequence is too fast~ I think magician can skip activation sequence when they are pretty familiar with the magic they are using~!

But still contradicts to Erika's weaponized integrated cad.

[amtro]

Originally Posted by Jedsada

In early spoiler, Kuroba's agent call Tatsuya-dono, but spoiler from TrueAlchemist they said Tatsuya-sama.

Which one is right?

TrueAlchemist's spoilers are from the Korean translation, I'd take them with a grain of salt if I were you.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by pampz21

Lol; isnt her baton a weponized integrated cad; and its only purpose is increasing the cad strength?>3

And if you watch the anime...theres no activation sequence on her self accel magic.? The only magic that doesnt show activation sequence is that of Tatsuya and Erika so far?...or is that the anime staff forgot to put her some Active sequence?....besides how can I miss that?

EDIT: After watching Ep. 15 Now I get it; why they didnt used activation sequence with Tatsuya, Erika ; I think because the activation sequence is too fast~ I think magician can skip activation sequence when they are pretty familiar with the magic they are using~!

But still contradicts to Erika's weaponized integrated cad.

Pampz, buddy? A WI CAD is still a CAD. Granted, it activates faster, but thats about the only difference. The reason Erica uses them is to make up for her slow casting speed.

And the question was whether or not someone else had used magic w/o a CAD.

And it related to the topic because.... um, something about the mind-controlled CAD, I believe?

And on a completely different track, is Miyuki actually capable of crippling Tatsuya through the seal? I would have thought he could cancel or overcome it somehow.

[Echizen777]

Originally Posted by XFire

And on a completely different track, is Miyuki actually capable of crippling Tatsuya through the seal? I would have thought he could cancel or overcome it somehow.

He can't cancel it I think. If he could, the link between them would have been useless, he has no Mental Interference magic. According to spoilers, she will lose all her powers if she seals his ES.

[bakato]

Originally Posted by Echizen777

He can't cancel it I think. If he could, the link between them would have been useless, he has no Mental Interference magic. According to spoilers, she will lose all her powers if she seals his ES.

He undid it on his own when he had Miyuki destroy the parasites.

[TrueAlchemist]

Originally Posted by amtro

TrueAlchemist's spoilers are from the Korean translation, I'd take them with a grain of salt if I were you.

Mine say, "sama".
But, I would advice all of you to wait for full translation in English.

Korean translation was fully translated, but some translators use the different words on the same subject. (But, I do not believe, they would confuse between dono and sama.)
So, I tends to read both English / Korean translations or multiple translation sources to shorten the gap between the original and translated versions.

[Zoks]

Originally Posted by TrueAlchemist

Mine say, "sama".
But, I would advice all of you to wait for full translation in English.

Korean translation was fully translated, but some translators use the different words on the same subject. (But, I do not believe, they would confuse between dono and sama.)
So, I tends to read both English / Korean translations or multiple translation sources to shorten the gap between the original and translated versions.

It should be dono in this case. I can make out enough Japanese to know when the names are mentioned, and Fumiya and Tatsuya are used in the same sentence, with Fumiya being followed by -sama, and Tatsuya followed by -dono.

[TrueAlchemist]

Originally Posted by Zoks

It should be dono in this case. I can make out enough Japanese to know when the names are mentioned, and Fumiya and Tatsuya are used in the same sentence, with Fumiya being followed by -sama, and Tatsuya followed by -dono.

I think you are right.
In Korean, we do not distinguish between -sama and -dono.
So, I only assumed, they used the -sama.

I think, I got confused with the other translated version that stopped at earlier chapters. Some other translators actually use "sama"and "dono", but the translator who translated the full volume, does not distinguish between two terminologies.

I apologize for the confusion.

[bakato]

Preview of chapter 2 is up!

[Jedsada]

hmm, It seem like Kazama was worrying about Tatsuya rather than Kyouko who Saeki ordered him to keep an eye on.

Well, he has good reasons for.

3 years ago at Okinawa -> Miyuki was mortal wounded -> GGA forces was slaughtered.
1 year ago at 9SC -> Miyuki's CAD nearly got tampered -> Japan's branch of No Head Dragon was slaughtered.

Imagine if something happen with Miyuki this time. (from spoilers, there is a thought of using Material Burst on Mount Fuji come in Tatsuya's head for a short while... )

[TheDisruptiveOne]

I really dislike Fujibayashi. Would love to see Tatsuya deal with her as an enemy at some point.

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by TheDisruptiveOne

I really dislike Fujibayashi. Would love to see Tatsuya deal with her as an enemy at some point.

Why do you dislike her so much?

[bakato]

Originally Posted by Endscape

Why do you dislike her so much?

Because as some have said she basically used Tatsuya this volume.

[renuac]

Originally Posted by TheDisruptiveOne

I really dislike Fujibayashi. Would love to see Tatsuya deal with her as an enemy at some point.

To be fair to Fujibayashi, it's completely understandable for her to feel stronger loyalty towards her family and towards her commanding officers than towards Tatsuya. From TrueAlchemist's spoilers, it sounds like the Fujibayashi family rely heavily on the Kudou's support and would be pretty isolated within the magic community if they lost that support, so Kyouko isn't really in a position where she can lightly risk incurring Kudou's displeasure. Plus Retsu is her grandfather and this whole plot was basically a way for him to ensure that Minoru wouldn't get drafted into the army - and Kyouko is apparently very fond of her half-brother/cousin. So going against Retsu would have been hard for her on several levels.

Then there's the fact that Saeki and Kazama weren't exactly stopping her or sharing information with Tatsuya either, so she didn't even have a plausible excuse for refusing to do Retsu's bidding.

It's unfortunate for her that she has lost Tatsuya's trust (however much of it she ever actually had is another question) but I can see why she did what she did. Also by the sounds of it, she didn't know the full extent of Retsu's plan and felt really bad about manipulating Tatsuya. Really, she seems to have just been in a really unenviable position in this story arc.

[TheDisruptiveOne]

Tatsuya has noble goals. Goals that will benefit the entire magic community. I can't support anyone that would put those goals in jeopardy. Fujibayashi has always been this way towards Tatsuya. Willing to use him as if he were a tool.

Fine. She chose family. That was a mistake. Kudou is going to be dead soon. It remains to be seen what kind of influence the family will have when he is gone. She should know better than anyone what Tatsuya is capable of.

[bietchie11]

Originally Posted by bakato

Because as some have said she basically used Tatsuya this volume.

When you compare it to "The Big Three" (aka Mari, Mayumi and Katsuto) Modus Operandi, which is:
"If we can't trick him into doing our bidding, FORCE him!!!"

I think what she does is pretty mild.

[Verisimilitude]

Wait, we're getting pissed off at people that "use" Tatsuya? So isn't that most people in the Mahoukaverse?

[Rava]

Originally Posted by bietchie11

When you compare it to "The Big Three" (aka Mari, Mayumi and Katsuto) Modus Operandi, which is:
"If we can't trick him into doing our bidding, FORCE him!!!"

I think what she does is pretty mild.

The difference is, though, that they didn't even scratch all of his secrets at that point. Once some of those skeletons came out and he didn't have to hide as many of them anymore, it is really more like Tatsuya is doing the manipulation. (Hence the Mayumi chocolate of suffering in retribution...)

Fujibayashi, on the other hand, is more privy to his secrets from the get go, so her doing it feels more like a betrayal to people.

[bietchie11]

Originally Posted by Rava

The difference is, though, that they didn't even scratch all of his secrets at that point. Once some of those skeletons came out and he didn't have to hide as many of them anymore, it is really more like Tatsuya is doing the manipulation. (Hence the Mayumi chocolate of suffering in retribution...)

Fujibayashi, on the other hand, is more privy to his secrets from the get go, so her doing it feels more like a betrayal to people.

That's another matter.

Fujibayashi helped him a lot. It's more like give and take.

But The Big Three does nothing for him and always keeps asking for more.
And when Tatsuya forces them to co-operate with each other, for their own good, Mayumi decides to give him some bitter chocolate as punishment.

[Rava]

True, they are certainly a set of demanding kids compared to Fujibayashi.