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Perfect 10 | 209 | 73.85% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 40 | 14.13% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 16 | 5.65% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 6 | 2.12% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 3 | 1.06% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 2 | 0.71% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.35% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 6 | 2.12% | |
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2007-03-23, 03:59 | Link #284 | ||
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2007-03-23, 04:08 | Link #285 |
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Dude, for months, you're so adamant and arguing that Lulu is an evil heartless bastard with absolutely no good will towards Elevens. How do you explain his actions when he helped the Eleven boy from the nobleman? You think he did it just because for hell of it, and he doesn't actually care?
He didn't save the kid as ZERO, he did it as Lelouch. Why do you always IGNORE these factors? Your argument always convieniently avoid these circumstantces. I'm sorry, but no matter how you feel, he is not the same as kira/light, like you suggest. If you REALLY think he's not gonna care about the blood on his hands from this incident, then I have to conclude that you are missing what we're seeing. Or you're looking at it with a very diffrent view than most.
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2007-03-23, 04:19 | Link #286 |
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I'm not drawing a direct comparison between Kira and Lelouch. If you refer to the other poster's comment. he said that Lelouch wasn't as cold as Kira. If you relate the two personalities, you'd have to see that Kira is much more considerate about the well-being of people than Lelouch. I'm not saying Lelouch is heartless, in fact, I'm simply contesting that Lelouch is a kind person. He has a variety of personalities and he is very conscientious. But he's no saint, and likewise he is no sinner. He is a mediation between two distinct characteristics.
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2007-03-23, 04:19 | Link #287 | |
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2007-03-23, 04:22 | Link #288 |
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lulu this, lulu that, how could he? He is so heartless, etc etc etc...
And no one even considers the person truly responsible for this and perhaps much much more is C.C. She may have her reasons but she knows Geass better then anyone else. She chose not to instruct him on it's uses and dangers (vague hints don't count) and so should have seen an accident like this comming. Now with her flashback to Marianne that Suzaku saw and the fact that she had an eye on lelouche since he was a child makes me wonder if she had anything to do with the assassination of marianne. This is all bound to get very complicated lol. |
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Also about you saying that he wouldnt have had to disband the Oobk ( even after being hinted so many times in anime itself ) i wont argue with you . I guess every one have their own opinions. Quote:
1) he was feeling guilty about it ( eventhough it wasnt done purposefull) and also he is resposible for stopping it. Because the effects of the order wont go away unless Euphie is killed. 2) Its not using her when she directly tell her that she has to shoot him. From the way i saw it, it was more like He was ( childishly) arguing with her that because she put her in that situation now she has to take responsibilty by shooting him. If he wanted to use her, he would just need to use his geass from the very start. We see at the end He even admits defeat to her . 3) , its not clear to me as what you are trying to say so i cant reply . Also I think what you said is backward. Lulu wouldnt even think of killing Suzuku or Shirly, while Kira probably would kill Misa or even his dad if he had to without a second thought. Both Kira and Lulu have the same goal with diffrent method and style. Both want a world where Weaker people can live without being oppressed. Quote:
JediNight, I think you misundrestood what i meant and said. First of all that wasnt what Lulu said. What you said he said was " those who are willing to kill should pick up a gun" and what He actually said " only those who are willing to be shot at, can shoot others" and these two statements are completely diffrent. So basically Lulu meant to say, Only soldiers can fight with each other and He wont involve any civilian in his battle. That is the very reason he didnt use those japanese civilians and told Euphie to shoot him ( Zero) and not the civilians. Also he didnt order Euphie to kill them on purpose. They were just chit chatting ( after Lulu accepted defeat) and when Lulu was trying to show off his power, His Geass activated. He didnt even notice he had geassed her untill a few second after. Also i agree with you about that it wasnt his fault , about what happend. Now that we are on the same page, Its still a fact that eventhough Lulu didnt want for that massacre to happen, he did take advantage of the situation and ordered for battle. And i belive Euphie will be killed , because the way Lulu ( not purposely) ordered , is probably a permanent order ( like the one he used on that girl in the school) and so to save japanese people he had to order to kill her. I really feel sorry for Lulu, because he really didnt wanted anything to happend to Euphie and he was really sad about it.
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2007-03-23, 04:28 | Link #290 | |
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But we're saying, he's not so megalomanically evil that he won't give a rat's ass about Eleven's deaths on his hands. Even though fate of Elevens are aren't directly related to his goals, he's still willing to take responsibilities for his actions killing many of them. Your argument is that he simply doesn't care. Elevens fate has absolutely no effect on him. Which is total off, if you were actually watching this episode.
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2007-03-23, 04:29 | Link #291 |
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C.C. could ultimately be held responsible, but it's really up to Lelouch to determine how to use his abilities. Granted, it's not Lelouch's fault the situation turned out as it did. Yet, he will likely hold himself accountable for it. Lelouch can't be expected to know that that his powers would evolve to the point where he can't deactivate it. So I wouldn't pass blame onto him. Though had C.C. not intervened with Lelouch backed up into a corner, he would've very likely been dead. Yes, she didn't give him a choice, but he didn't have the luxury of time to ask her about it.
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2007-03-23, 04:39 | Link #294 |
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Apologies to you Whitemoon, I was under the assumption that you referred to Kira from GS. Makes more sense now. Didn't realize it was Kira from Death Note until you made a reference to Misa. Haven't seen Death Note yet, so I am still blank on the references, though I have a general idea how they are related.
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2007-03-23, 04:41 | Link #295 | |
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So you agree that with the recent development, he will move with more conciousness towards the well-being of those who he control? I've always figured he would, even without the most recent episode. The most recent development only cemented that.
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2007-03-23, 04:44 | Link #296 | |
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2007-03-23, 05:14 | Link #298 |
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Yeah Trainwreck, riiiiiiiiight. Looks like the Sunrise haters were wrong again last episode with Euphemia's speech somehow spelling the doom of the series and turning her into goddess Lacus. Here's to seeing when people will point out a perfectly stable train track yet again in the future.
I haven't seen episode 21 yet, but I will try to explain the "Trainwreck Mentality" as such. Long mecha series often have their weaker episodes compared to the rest of the bunch, it doesn't mean its a downward slope, it just means a slow episode, some people are haunted by the phantoms of Gundam Seed Destiny and are wary of such repetition even though that was a different team, thus a slow episode causes the equivalent reaction of a poor showing at the NY Stock Exchange (Sell, Sell, Stocks Gonna Tank Dump it NOOOOOW!). Then the stock rebounds to make it even stronger the next day and the traders are more than a little embarassed. |
2007-03-23, 05:50 | Link #299 |
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OH.MY.GOD. All right, I gotta give it to Sunrise. I wasn't 100% convinced they could pull some things that happened in the episode off, and looking at the number of replies, it doesn't seem like I'm the only one shocked out of my pants. Spoiler:
It's hard to see Euphie getting out of this one easily. After all, the Special Region would almost seem like a trap for the Elevens and while it deals in favour of Zero and the OoBK, it certainly is another step to isolating him from other people. It will probably be a miracle if Lelouch isn't driven insane at the end of season 2 at the rate he's going. I'm really extremely sympathetic with Lelouch now. So many times foiled, and none of them with controllable factors. Because of him, he has to order the death of another loved one. That being said, I wonder how the royals are going to act in regards to this incident. Obviously if Suzaku finds Euphie and hears her out, Zero's identity might come one dangerous step closer to being unveiled. I can't even imagine how Cornelia would react. Certainly she would have lost little sleep over the slaughtering of Elevens, but those were innocents, and it WAS her sister who 'ordered' the killing. As for Schneizel...Apparently he doesn't seem so bad, after seeing that expression on his face when he heard the news. The Emperor, however, makes me think that the son of a bitch is actually happy about this, as though it was something he expected to happen. It appears he might actually be the one with the real mind-reading GEASS on the chessboard between him and Lelouch-That is, already knowing what's going to happen. Want to blame someone? Turn your rotten tomatoes to the bastard sitting pretty on the golden seat of Brittania. |
2007-03-23, 06:24 | Link #300 | |
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Something bothers me though. The series starts as "Find C.C.!" and for 20+ eps she get's to roam free and clear and pizza herself to death Look, she even got out of Gawain in sight of those Brita guards, and yet they didn't capture her. This is what happens when you keep projects secret, so many chances to capture her and yet no one does because they all remember her as "poison gas" On a side note, gunning Euphie is impressive never thought a girl who looks so royally beautiful can actually do that. Did the whacked out Geass make her strong too? I mean, that was some sick recoil on that gun So, thing's I'm looking for next ep: -Cornelia and Euphie getting some alone time. With Cornelia doing the biatch slapping -Need to see Euphie watch tapes of her "atrocities". Want to see the look on her face, and I make wonders if she will then try to remember what happened. -Is Lu-2's Geass eye visible? It would be funny for the next step in evolution, where he just can't keep it from everyone. Next we'll need to give him a special eye-patch that will lets him Geass others Cyclops-style Try going to school now! Meh not much Kallen this ep. Guess I'll go back to the previous eps And that Villeta, I find something creepy. Or maybe I'm just not used to her calm, collected self. Or maybe she's a reverse-psycho girl Is this the season of psycho girls? Surely this ep Euphie counts as a psycho girl, although not self-inflicted |
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