To Aru Kagaku no Railgun S - Episode 16 Discussion / Poll

[blitz1/2]

If only Accelerator was gender-bent....that flashback would have been much better had it been a girl (holding Touma's hand) xD

@Traece: Because the Misaka angst was what I came for, and the SOL means that there would be less Touma = less fukou da and dere Mikoto.

[Miraluka]

Originally Posted by Reality_Breaker

Nope, no Hamazura, he appears after Daihaseisai arc in Index can't remember which arc, sorry I destroyed your illusions XD

It can be a cameo, though.
The director was talking about a one-panel character from the manga, and thats isn't any character from team ITEM. So it must be another character.

Originally Posted by Traece

This is why the constant "HAH TOO BAD RAILGUN S IS OVER NOW " comments are really getting on my nerves.

Frenda was in the preview. How can people say such silly things when our explosive star is returning?

Its just some people will find it of poor taste or half assed :S.

[dniv]

People are complaining or liking this a lot.. (lol). I gave this an infinity. Here's why because I want to make it clear.

1. The music or lack of it this episode was amazing.

2. Accelerator had some pretty visible character development here that was really nice. He's obviously at fault, but he noticed that at the end of the fight, something that was nice to see here.

3. Touma's presence here was actually pretty good. I normally like Touma. I argue that this animated version of Touma: "Biri-biri Touma" is a nice version of him. He's probably going to be a lot more like this in future arcs if he shows up.

4. The visuals were amazing in this adaptation. It tells a full story and it really has some great information that richly complements Index season I. Of course you could just watch this and love the Raildex franchise world even if you only saw a small part of it.

5. J.C. staff has really done some amazing quality scenes recently and are trying to show that Railgun and Index are related franchises even if you hated one, they are trying to make you like at least one of them... I think both of them are really good... but take your pick at what you like I guess...

6. My 3 favorite scenes in all of Railgun S happened this episode (well excluding one other possible scene...) with Touma getting up, Touma punching out Accelerator, and Mikoto spending time with her sister and talking to Touma as we saw how she seems to be feeling a lot better after everything was over.

7. This was really well done. I argue that Railgun and Index are part of the same overall franchise, but have very different developments happening. This time Railgun definitely pulled off all stops to make this arc amazing.

8. Even if this arc finished, it still isn't actually done. I'm guessing cookies are next episode and... the after effects of this arc on their friendship still hasn't been explored. It should obviously have an impact on everything from here on out. Now that Mikoto knows she has 20,000 sisters going around the city other people would notice that she has clones. It isn't exactly easy to keep a secret like that if they aren't "employed." This shakes things up a lot for the future and brings some interesting material for future arcs.

9. All of the characters here had some pretty good character development. Even Touma showed that when the moment calls for it, he can call Mikoto "Misaka" (this is the reason I normally call her Misaka lol) because he feels a true emotional connection to her now. This is something nice to see. It is different from how he has been portrayed so far in the railgun anime up until now.

10. With the light of spoilerish recent news that came out in Railgun, railgun as a series has a lot more potential and has become way more enjoyable for me even more than before. So I really feel like people should just try to enjoy the ride. I guess some people don't like how it changed its focus from the first season.

Spoiler for comparison to railgun manga:

But if you read the manga, the manga was always much darker than the anime. Season 1 manga was pretty dark in comparison to the anime. The anime itself just toned it down in order to attract more fans.

Season 2 tried to stay truer to the actual ideas of the story. Some people don't like it, but I think this was a step forward for the series. This more intense type of character development is welcome. Maybe some people only like some of the developments in the show... but either way. This show is characterizing the world made by the author of the franchise and it's not exactly a utopia. It's a dystopia as we saw this season and at the end of season 1 of railgun with Terestina. This season has finally given us a taste of this. This is why J.C. staff really has stepped up recently and I really respect them.

This is hence why I gave this episode infinity/10

The reason why there is such a backlash to this new season and why newer fans criticize the old season is simply because it toned down what was actually happening. This season didn't tone anything down. And hence this is why people really appreciate it, it's showing the real heart of the franchise. This can arguably be the more emotional side of what many call a "shonen" franchise, but it's just a great arc with a ton of potential, that is fun to watch.

[Polarpew]

I think ive said this before but every episode is like a high budget movie! I just cant stress that enough 10/10



Originally Posted by dniv
this was completely left out in Index I

that's cuz during the time of Index I, the author haven't even gotten around to coming up with Accelerator's back story, that was in later volumes

[dniv]

Originally Posted by Polarpew

I think ive said this before but every episode is like a high budget movie! I just cant stress that enough 10/10



Originally Posted by dniv
this was completely left out in Index I

that's cuz during the time of Index I, the author haven't even gotten around to coming up with Accelerator's back story, that was in later volumes

I'm not complaining. I love Index. I'm an LN reader

[GundamZZ]

Originally Posted by Polarpew

I think ive said this before but every episode is like a high budget movie! I just cant stress that enough 10/10



Originally Posted by dniv
this was completely left out in Index I

that's cuz during the time of Index I, the author haven't even gotten around to coming up with Accelerator's back story, that was in later volumes

I afraid that they are tuning down the cinametic feel in next episode.
They announced the TV broadcast of cinematic version. The title will be called Endymiōn's Miracle (エンデュミオンの奇蹟). The station is TOKYO MX, and the month is August. ( 「劇場版 とある魔術の禁書目録 エンデュミオンの奇蹟」、特別版のTV放送が決定！ TOKYO MXやBS11で8月に)

The Railgun will be part of side character. The main girl is putting on a expository cloth. Maybe it's another generic "Goldfish Dress" (Inori/Mana Ouma reference).

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[leukrota]

Originally Posted by Polarpew

that's cuz during the time of Index I, the author haven't even gotten around to coming up with Accelerator's back story, that was in later volumes

Spoiler for Comparison to the Index novel and the Railgun manga:

That's not entirely true. While what we saw in this episode comes directly from the manga (which is more recent than Index I), said manga had taken it from an early novel volume which was written long before the first anime was made.

The manga gives some extra details that weren't there before, but the novels already had enough background for Accelerator. Index-I could have shown it during Last Order's intro arc as that's where it pops in the novels, but it was simply skipped.

[Polarpew]

Originally Posted by leukrota

Spoiler for Comparison to the Index novel and the Railgun manga:

That's not entirely true. While what we saw in this episode comes directly from the manga (which is more recent than Index I), said manga had taken it from an early novel volume which was written long before the first anime was made.

The manga gives some extra details that weren't there before, but the novels already had enough background for Accelerator. Index-I could have shown it during Last Order's intro arc as that's where it pops in the novels, but it was simply skipped.

Spoiler for Reply to comparison:

u talking about accel's backstory? Index manga back in 2008 didnt have him getting a flashback at the moment before he got punched in the face. That was expanded in the Railgun side series

[~Yami~]

crazy.....

yes! they put aside the long battle against Accelerator in simple way...
We all know that they just need one punch to take down Accel-chan
too bad he never got any clue about how he got defeated by Touma
still resort to close-range attack, eh?

Putting drama in the end is awesome... Since they put Index slightly and didn't explain well about what 10032's conversation with Touma, this means railgun-only watcher should watch Index to obtain complete picture about what's going on in Sisters arc
10032's interaction with Mikoto is touching
and Mikoto's dere-dere scene is superb! I never admit she's moe but in this episode I can understand why she deserved to get Tiara in ISML

we finally got rid of this super serious, depressing, but epic arc... time to more calm one in next episode
Railgun season 2 truly deserved to be praised

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by ~Yami~

crazy.....

yes! they put aside the long battle against Accelerator in simple way...
We all know that they just need one punch to take down Accel-chan
too bad he never got any clue about how he got defeated by Touma
still resort to close-range attack, eh?

Thanks to Accelerator's thoughts being revealed, it's easier to see that he completely underestimated Kamijou's condition and how much he could still move.

That and you have to consider why he took that half step before hesitating- The Strongest Level 5 scared of a half dead Level 0? He would never live it down.

[leukrota]

Originally Posted by Polarpew

Spoiler for Reply to comparison:

u talking about accel's backstory? Index manga back in 2008 didnt have him getting a flashback at the moment before he got punched in the face. That was expanded in the Railgun side series

Spoiler for Comparison to Index Novels:

I'm talking about you saying that the author didn't have Accelerator's backstory at the time of Index I, that is false.

This is from the 2005 novel, where LO first appears:

Spoiler for LN Vol 5:

This person called Accelerator used to have a normal name. 2 Japanese characters for his family name, 3 Japanese characters for his own name. It was a very Japanese name, a very ordinary name.

He hadn't always been the strongest in Academy City.

At first, everyone thought that he was just stronger than those around him.

However, when it rained, it poured.

And to him, the greatest calamity was that his power was a lot stronger than what he had thought.

The youths of the same age who rushed at him had their bones fractured on a single touch.

The teachers came to stop him, and their bones got broken as well.

The adults came over to surround him, and they were eliminated as well. In the end, Anti-Skill and Judgement, as if they were facing off against a bank robber, launched attack after attack at this boy who was only 10 years old with all sorts of powers and new-age weapons. However, these people were eliminated as well.

And he only felt fear.

Fearing that he would be violently treated, he frantically waved his hands about.

For a 10 year old child, this was a response that was to be expected.

However, it ended up like this.

The unmanned and windowless assault helicopters flew about in the air, and the armoured Anti-Skill reinforcements that looked like robots held their ground in order to protect their wounded comrades. It was like a scene in a monster movie shown on the television, except that he was the ugly monster that everyone so feared.

Thus he realised it. His young heart realised it. If he used his fingertip to touch, others will get hurt; if he felt irritated about something, people may die. This commotion would snowball until he ended up fighting against Academy City, the world, and then everything would be destroyed.

In order to prevent 'elimination', he had to seal his 'feelings' in his heart and not show them. Bad emotions were dangerous, and good emotions could bring jealously and bring about attacks.

The way to prevent hurting others was to prevent himself from being moved by anything. If he felt irritated, others may die, so he couldn't let his feelings show. Only when he was like an ice person could he prevent himself from losing control of his powers and endangering others.

But at that moment, the young child made a grave mistake.

It was because his method made him so cold that he became someone 'who doesn't care about whether others are dead or alive', a person who wouldn't grumble no matter how others treated him, a person who seemed uninterested in other people's lives.

Without realising this mistake, he chose his own path.

Just like that, he barely managed to prevent 'elimination'.

He, who lost interest in others, ended up surrendering fairly easily, resulting in him to be locked in a cell called the special class. However, a gear in a person's heart couldn't be stopped easily. As he continued to waver about without having any determination like a squid, he managed to come up with a solution.

Since he couldn't quarrel with others easily, he should just create an environment where there wouldn't be quarrels.

He just needed to be extremely strong and make others think that fighting with him was a stupid thing to do.

He needed to be not just the 'strongest', but 'invincible'.

Maybe this would prevent others from getting him, and prevent himself from feeling fearful. He would be recognized by others. That was what his weary heart yearned for.

He never realised that such a thought would end up hurting so many people in the days ahead.

[Kon the Magnificent]

Now this is how you end an arc right for the billionth time. Love the episode from start to finish.

Not much to say other than I love the ending when Misaka Imouto won the badge Misaka gave to the Imouto who was killed by Accelerator by train car awhile back. Nice way to go full circle there.

[dniv]

Originally Posted by Kon the Magnificent

Now this is how you end an arc right for the billionth time. Love the episode from start to finish.

Not much to say other than I love the ending when Misaka Imouto won the badge Misaka gave to the Imouto who was killed by Accelerator by train car awhile back. Nice way to go full circle there.

Actually yeah, this was a point I forgot to mention that I thought was a really excellent way to finish the arc. It happened after the credits too which was a really nice treat

[Reality_Breaker]

This arc is the reason Touma x Misaka is the only ending I personally want to happen (not trying to start a flamewar) every version I saw or read of it cemented me as a KamiKoto shipper and this version is the best even above the railgun manga version (at least in my opinion) now there is absolutely no way i'm ever changing.

Also, is it me or in every version of this episode we don't see no just Mikotos face but Toumas neither? I don't remember seeing his face in Index I either. Might be just me.

[chaos_animagic]

Misaka Imouto is way more awesome than Misaka herself, LOL.

Tho... TsundereMisaka is pretty cute. (don't think the Imouto can do this kind of thing)



I like this arc's story, much more well told than in Index.
(but we didn't get to see any cameo of Index characters... comma, it's Touma, should at least have Index pop out of no where for like 1 panel and make Misaka jealous, would have been so fun.)

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Reality_Breaker

Also, is it me or in every version of this episode we don't see no just Mikotos face but Toumas neither? I don't remember seeing his face in Index I either. Might be just me.

...I'm sorry, what do you mean by this ?

[dniv]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

...I'm sorry, what do you mean by this ?

I think he means that in the bridge scene you don't see either of their reactions to that statement. You don't see his face when he said her name.

[Rising Dragon]

I think that's what's being referred to... which doesn't make much sense, since that scene was never in the Index anime.

[Reality_Breaker]

Originally Posted by dniv

I think he means that in the bridge scene you don't see either of their reactions to that statement. You don't see his face when he said her name.

Pretty much this Chaos, sorry I forgot to specify the scene.

[dniv]

Originally Posted by Reality_Breaker

Pretty much this Chaos, sorry I forgot to specify the scene.

I definitely did find that interesting. I am curious whether or not that might come up again later...