Good Ending (GE)

[Kirito]

Originally Posted by jzmagic

After 134, it's the beginning of the end for Shou and Utsumi.

Make sense considering in chapter 133, Shou showed signs of her still having feelings for her ex, but is constantly denying it. I just don't know what to think of this anymore, the author is trying to make the inevitable dramatic as possible, but isn't really doing a good job at it.

[ccie20012]

@Waven
I'm dislike it. I'm prefer slice-of-life without any drama over "a new day has begun, we have again a drama."
Of course, this is my personal like/dislike, but I can not drink as much vodka for read about "stupid move" girlfriend's to ex. But it's very very IMHO.

[Darknemo2000]

Originally Posted by Waven

The hardships characters have to go trough is actually what makes them interesting, it's not them picking flowers.

And thats why translations groups drop it and continue KNIM. They must be thrilled to death by GE hardship drama, dont they? Makes perfect sense.

Face it - too much of something is never a good thing and GE is overescalating the whole hardship-drama thing that is starting to drive people away from the series.

[Waven]

I was just refering to completely conflict-less plots. I never was a fan of GE's restlessness.

[Diveman]

I'm officially pissed off right now. F*** you GE, I thought you were a good romance manga, not some cheap ass south american drama.

[Darknemo2000]

Originally Posted by Waven

I was just refering to completely conflict-less plots. I never was a fan of GE's restlessness.

True to that. Too much of dull things can make it dull but you need those breaks. In GE you develop a sort of paranoia due to constant screw ups with drama-hardships - even when a chapter is good and positive you expected something terrible to hapen around the corner, so much that you cannot even enjoy the current good chapter fully.

Thats an example of bad writting where overdoing certain things make the manga worse.

[Master Chibi]

Originally Posted by Waven

In order for fiction to work there has to be some kind of conflict. If the drama was toned down the majority of readers would've lost interest already - GE doesn't have any other feature such as comedy, fantasy, action etc. . The hardships characters have to go trough is actually what makes them interesting, it's not them picking flowers

Yeah but the problem with Good Ending is that the relationship isn't part of the conflict, something has always come along to prolong any actual development. The conflict should be take place in the actual relationship instead of the nonsense that we're getting now. I hate to say it but KNIM is doing it way better.

[Waven]

Originally Posted by Master Chibi

Yeah but the problem with Good Ending is that the relationship isn't part of the conflict, something has always come along to prolong any actual development. The conflict should be take place in the actual relationship instead of the nonsense that we're getting now. I hate to say it but KNIM is doing it way better.

You're right in general, it's always "external" influences and I can see why that can get annoying for some people. To be fair, however, while I like both series, KNIM at its drama peak used the same device - side chars meddle with the main characters' relationships; main characters passivley let them meddle with it. Relatively the slice of life part of KNIM started just recently.

[RandomGuy]

The previous spoiler put me off for a bit, but in actually reading the chapter, it's not so bad... yet.

Spoiler for 134:

After Shou calms down, Seiji gets her to tell him what happened, and how, while Kento didn't say anything, he put his arms around her. Seiji relates the previous incident at his school where Kento wanted to know where she was, and said he wanted to apologize. But from the way he acted, that's not what he was really after. Shou can hardly believe he'd say such a thing, and declares that if Kento really wants to apologize, he should just die already. Then she'd feel better.

...Cue car accident, as Kento, lost in his own thoughts, doesn't notice a girl on a bike until the last minute, and swerves to avoid her...

Some time later, Shou has the afternoon free, so she and Seiji meet for a date in the city. But while they're out together, she gets a call from Mai (Kusunoki), another former tennis club member, who tells her Kento is in the hospital.

DUN DUN DUN...

[Zetsubo]

OHHHHHHH ..... truly.... absolutely .... Korean Dramatist.

[Zetsubo]

Car accidents and air craft crashes should be outlaw

fall off a ladder while painting a building while earning some extra money.

get held up and robbed and shot (and please make it by a NON Gaijin)

Get hurt by an upset bull at a relatives farm where you were staying.

Eat bad Fugu

Get stung by japanese hornets (they are pretty dangerous)

Something ... that does not involve Cars, Planes or any other soap opera contrivances.

Jeeze is that too much to ask ?

[larethian]

Originally Posted by Darknemo2000

And thats why translations groups drop it and continue KNIM. They must be thrilled to death by GE hardship drama, dont they? Makes perfect sense.

Face it - too much of something is never a good thing and GE is overescalating the whole hardship-drama thing that is starting to drive people away from the series.

That, and it's painful to clean and redraw GE...... especially when the staff don't enjoy the story.

[leokiko]

I prefer hardship drama than a stupid main character though(KNIM).

[ccie20012]

@Zetsubo
I would introduce a rule

Spoiler:

if ex goes to the hospital - then it dies a quick and easy death

[ReaperxKingx]

*Sigh* I don't know why I try to keep up with this Manga. It is fine to add drama in a Manga just like it is fine to sprinkle extra cheese on pizza, but if you add too much that will ruin it. Too much Drama in this Manga, give some breathing room for the protagonist.

[Kirito]

I find it hard to be possible because both Shou and Seiji are having emotional conflictions with their respective ex lovers, and having an incident like this (an needless one in my opinion) is definitely a need to create a flair for the dramatic. So a possible change in their relationship does seem imminent for the two current lovers, at the moment. Can't tell if this is worrying or annoying...

[ReaperxKingx]

Originally Posted by Kirito

I find it hard to be possible because both Shou and Seiji are having emotional conflictions with their respective ex lovers, and having an incident like this (an needless one in my opinion) is definitely a need to create a flair for the dramatic. So a possible change in their relationship does seem imminent for the two current lovers, at the moment. Can't tell if this is worrying or annoying...

Most likely both and you are right on all points. If this was aim for both of them to go back to their ex than it is kind of over doing it. So far, there are three big Romance Manga right now. Well these are my guesses, KNIM, GE, and OM. KNIM is light hearten on Drama, with some Romance, and focus on real life situations. GE, is along a line of intense Drama, something like those Soap Operas that airs at 1:00 pm on ABC. OM is supernatural but adds in both Drama and real life.

[ccie20012]

Kimi no Iru Machi - KNIM?
Yes, the protagonist is not the best. But in KNIM - slice-of-life + humor.
And there is not every situation from which you can make the drama ends in drama.
everything is more realistic.
"oh, I saw you on the other (actually this is again sort of a childhood friend) ... but I will not tell you anything. I'm not going to ask. 'll go better and make sex with someone ... yes of course I'll be very suffering ... "
it's stupid drama template

the last chapter KNIM - there is no such

OM - what it means?

[Kirito]

OM = Orange Marmalade.

Most likely both and you are right on all points. If this was aim for both of them to go back to their ex than it is kind of over doing it.

True, but if the author truly wanted to overdo things, he would say that Seiji and Yuki met each other before the first chapter. Most romance dramas manga overuse the "promise or meeting at childhood" scenario a lot so...now I'm getting worried.

[ReaperxKingx]

Originally Posted by ccie20012

Kimi no Iru Machi - KNIM?
Yes, the protagonist is not the best. But in KNIM - slice-of-life + humor.
And there is not every situation from which you can make the drama ends in drama.
everything is more realistic.
"oh, I saw you on the other (actually this is again sort of a childhood friend) ... but I will not tell you anything. I'm not going to ask. 'll go better and make sex with someone ... yes of course I'll be very suffering ... "
it's stupid drama template

the last chapter KNIM - there is no such

OM - what it means?

Orange Marmalade, its a mixture of both KNIM and GE elements. Humor, Slice of Life, Romance, and especially Drama, but adds in supernatural.