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Sony PlayStation 3: 27 million (as of September 30, 2009) Nintendo Wii: 56.14 million (as of September 30, 2009) Quote:
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2009-12-19, 16:04 | Link #62 |
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I sense a lot of vitriol, its ok that I disagree with you, actually the point I'm making is that games are what are important to a platform, and when everybody and their nanny is making wii games with crappy wii mote controls then there is a problem. Also game play for sonic unleashed was terrible, you have the juxtaposition of crap with near genius and what do you get? CRAP. The werewolf levels were terrible and basically destroyed what sonic is about, not every fucking game has to be a brawler, if a game is good then it's good but hey don't let you love of a game blind you. Hey your comment of quality over quantity, buddy it's about quality and quantity of that quality, if your system has a total of 20 great games a year then your sitting on a pretty shitty system. I can tell you of the countless people who have bought wii's that just sit there as they game on other consoles? Why because the lack of third party support, and quality third party support. SHOCK, I mean seriously a console is an investment, for most people plopping down two hundred dollars is not something you do every day. PS2 does have better numbers than the wii I don't see my statement being wrong, also it did demolish all it's opponents including the xbox and gamecube.
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Please pay more attention to your grammar. And use some PARAGRAPHS for crying out loud. People reading your post will thank you.
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Iwata himself said Nintendo have dropped the ball with the Wii this year in Japan, do you disagree with the head of Nintendo Benoit? Obviously NSMB Wii has saved it for now but that comment was before that.
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61mil vs 36mil & 30mil (going by NPD and Mediacreate (JPN) threads they would be around this level + europe and worldwide) You do the math Even if the Wii outsells the Ps2 it's not going to have as large a market share as the Ps2 did because the 360 and Ps3 are going to vastly outsell the Xbox and Gamecube. I can see the ps3 hitting 50 million and the 360 should be ahead of that.. (so 3rd place this gen outsells 2nd and 3rd last lol) and who knows what it could do if Natal takes off.. which I don't think it will. It's silly to say the Wii is doing better in regards to market share than the Ps2 did, it's funny how for all the new fans the Wii has attracted (omg grandad plays wii sports bowling!) it's not really doing "that" much better than the ps2 did. Quote:
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I think that the PS3 has a lot of potential yet. I get the feeling that its sales will steadily increase over time, now that the quantity of famous games is starting to increase. Maybe the problem is that nowadays you must spend a huge amount of time to make a good game, with a team of more than 100 people, I believe. In the 16-bit era, it took only some 15 people to make a hit like Sonic, for example, and some four months, I believe. While a game like Final Fantasy XIII took some good three years to be made. So, the tendency is that the number of blockbusters will decrease.
I think Nintendo was smart focusing on this different demographic, instead of adopting the same strategy as Sony, although I'm not sure if games like Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Tomodachi Collection and what-else will continue to be a success for much longer. We have countless versions of games like Mega Man, Castlevania, Shin Megami Tensei and so on, but I can't imagine them making Wii Fit 11, for example. People will most likely stop buying these games once they are not novelty anymore. Otoh, there are kids who like games but wouldn't want to have an Xbox or a PS, because their games would be too difficult, and not really aimed at them. |
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2009-12-20, 23:49 | Link #68 |
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Benoit just take a look at the wii game list and that's your answer. The wii game catalogue has ballooned far more than the library from 360 or ps3, why? because just like the iphone it's casual consumer heaven but then again it's ok to keep claiming that the wii is some perfect platform which it isnt.
Ok sonic unleashed, you have this concept of a plumber, and he jumps on dudes to kill em, and occasionally you ask him to puzzle platform, then suddenly you give him a fucking gun for the shits and giggles, and then instead of the 3rd person screen setup you've used you switch to a 3rd person gears of war style roady running 3rd person shooter, and to top it all off you gave no strong reason to change demographic and genre, you decided that the game required a change! See what I did thar. I replaced sonic with mario and gave him a ridiculous makeover like werehog, and the game sounds like shit. Half a good game doesn't make a good game, sonic is fast speed action, with very little platforming elements within it, and on top of that it's fast, so a complete change in pace for the game in the werehog stages is just like mixing toothpaste and orange juice, and honestly the half assed oh sonic's now a werehog was completely stupid. I play sonic becuase I generally expect a certain style of gameplay, I play mario for that reason too, but to sacrifice that iconic essence of the character is just stupid. @roricon narutohimette and it's sequels are probably some of the most fun I've had playing fighting games since I'm pretty average at them. Plus where button mashing actually helps you get more power that freaking genius. |
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As I game dev I'd be more proud of a console that sells more games, but that's just me. Wii is just a paperweight for most people imo. |
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2009-12-21, 13:21 | Link #73 |
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Look if they wanted to add a beatem up or shmup to sonic it's fine, but sonic is defined by speed, adding slow game play to a very fast character is out of character and in essence bad writing. If the combat was fast like sonic then it would make sense but have something diverge from a theme established long ago is not the way to make a great game. Not to mention the combat system being quite terrible on par with that crappy shadow game.
Look you don't say it but your vehement denialism of critical flaws with the wii platform make you a yes man for a platform that doesn't support games other than first party titles. The point is the wii is a flawed system yet at every point I've made about the catalogue being filled with predominantly crap you continue to say that there are good games, yes your right, but it doesn't mean that I'm wrong. In fact to a casual consumer, who doesn't read kotaku or gaming news sites, you'd probably bounce around a bunch of bad games before you found what you were looking for. |
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I was just at game stop about 15mins ago, the Wii side was full of people browsing through the section with 0 people except for me buying a game for my brother in law at the Ps3 section.
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still game devs shouldn't care about the console they choose to develop for, if they choose to make a game they should make a good game, because in the end that's what leads to sales and repeat customer business, if your game sucks you'll probably sucker in some the first time but eventually your base will disappear, this is why sometimes there are perks to developing on an open system versus the closed console market. Oh well. |
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edit: after looking for the source I read about the total market share including accessories, console and software, I couldn't find it. What I did find that the software marketshare of the Wii is on 40% XBOX on 37% and PS3 on 19%(november 2009 USA). Then again the statements aren't that off anyhow. http://www.industrygamers.com/news/x...-says-analyst/ Doesn't anyone have links for the complete picture. edit2: I was right in total software sales the XBOX 360 does lead. xD Numbers are from 2008 and before. The game per console ration is 8.1 for the 360, 5.5 for the Wii and 5.3 for the ps3. "However, Xbox 360 still rules the roost when it comes to software, with 94 million games having been sold in total. The Wii has shifted 73 million titles and the PS3 30 million." No doubt these numbers changed a lot. I think in favor of the PS3. Though imo it's still safe to say the XBOX 360 leads. http://www.mcvuk.com/news/32372/US-W...s-ahead-of-360 http://www.gamasutra.com/view/featur...er_.php?page=4 Last edited by 2H-Dragon; 2009-12-21 at 19:10. |
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Sony still has a lackluster library, due to many reasons including development costs, cycle and smallest install base. Also with very few exclusives, nearly every game you find on the PS3 you can find on the 360 and the 360 has a larger install base. So it leaves to the question as to, if you have a 360 why have a PS3? Nintendo in it's history, it's first party always outsells 3rd party.
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