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Since Disney favors stronger "imaginary property" (IP) laws -- so they *tend* to favor Democrats but they spend money on both sides of the aisle.
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2012-10-12, 01:14 | Link #1282 |
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And that's the real shame on Mass Corporate Media. The "bottom line" is the most important thing to them, where everything else is second without a second thought to the consequences of their information control. Thankfully, we have the Internet and Social Media, that sways in its own directions.
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2012-10-12, 01:24 | Link #1283 |
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We also have non-profit news media: PBS, BBC, and several dozen world outlets as well as fact-checking groups. They have their own "slant" but vast omission doesn't seem to be the sort of problem they have.
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2012-10-12, 03:17 | Link #1284 | |
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About the results of the poll, a large number of Republicans must have logged on CNN to cast their vote after everyone saw that Joe Biden mostly took control here. The CNN website was jammed when I tried to get in and see the temporary results of that poll before it went on the air. We can say whatever we want about VP debates, but I believe it brought a stabilizing effect today as it did in favor of Dick Cheney right after Bush took some heavy flak in the first debate in 2004. All we have to wait now is Obama to take notes on what Biden did and then lead a full attack on Romney on next Tuesday. After all, the only way for Obama to win back some points would be to push Romney back into the corners. Last edited by KiraYamatoFan; 2012-10-12 at 12:11. Reason: slight typo |
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2012-10-12, 10:51 | Link #1286 | |
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2012-10-12, 11:23 | Link #1288 | |
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You know, like how we pick the guy who gets to sit in the Oval Office. Although even a civics class doesn't help with a lot of this. It might be advantageous in certain political circumstances, but a lot of how things are done in Washington don't do the people good service, and I'm just referring to how things are supposed to run. I'm leaving out the bad behavior parts.
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2012-10-12, 12:02 | Link #1289 | |
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2012-10-12, 12:40 | Link #1290 |
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While I wouldn't say he was a jackass, I think there was a bit too much "Get-Off-My-Lawn" syndrome. Biden was clearly, at times, treating Ryan and his ideas as childish and was often seemingly scolding Ryan for his perceived childishness. Whether you think Ryan's ideas are childish are not is irrelevant, the fact of the matter is Biden shouldn't have treated Ryan so dismissively. And sadly, even hen you break down the point by point analysis and see that Biden was clearly ahead in most instances (just in terms of general facts and rhetorical ability), it will be his dismissive nature that will be equally remembered.
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2012-10-12, 12:48 | Link #1291 |
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Good assessment. Biden very much gave off the 'Hahaha, everything this guy's saying is so wrong and/or dumb' vibe. I'm not saying that it's a terribly important issue or that it should be a deciding factor of who performed better in the debate or anything; but credit should be given where credit is due and blame should be given where blame is due, and claiming that Biden wasn't behaving rudely just makes one seem as though they're so biased in favor of Biden that they're unwilling to assign said blame.
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2012-10-12, 13:40 | Link #1292 |
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I'll just say its very difficult NOT to be short fused and dismissive when the person makes so many errors, misrepresentations, can't do the math, doesn't understand the topic .... its hard to believe they are in the same room. There's simply no quality on the right side of the room and this is the view of someone who vote Republican from 1975 to 1999.
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2012-10-12, 14:17 | Link #1293 | |
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As for the debate, I very much enjoyed the beautiful pearly-while denture work Biden eagerly showed so many times. I ran into the kitchen to pour me some tea as soon as he came out saying, "Well, it's just malarkey" I just could not afford to go to sleep. I agree with James that he sounded dismissive and came across as condescending when he was talking to Ryan, but I guess the Obama-camp's priority was to stop the bleeding however they can. When Mr. Potato-head himself (aka Chris Mathews for anyone who doesn't know) breathlessly declared Obama was terrible, you know the Democrats had every reason to panic. So, they unleashed fury. They unleashed Biden. And he did not disappoint. This performance by Biden certainly re-energized the Democratic base which was needed desperately and carefully aimed at. Obama can take it from there. Obama obviously can't be like Biden because that's impossible for obvious reasons. He can, however, say everything Biden said word for word without the smirk, condescending-tone, and without any dismissive attitude ......and I believe he will pretty much have this election in the bag. The only place I can see Obama can be made uncomfortable would be his handling of Libya, but he has done so well in almost every other venues of foreign policy that I can't see him in trouble. He will also have to muster conviction even if the stage is set on top of the Himalayas. The coming debate is the town-hall format, so Obama can't afford to show people like the last time that perhaps he had enough of the presidency. When you want to play president of the US, you will need to be the man of all trade, including a firm grasp of the affect of Populism. That said, GOP may have finally found a not-laughable candidate in Ryan for the next president election in the not so distant future. Hopefully, this performance from Ryan will also convince Santorum that perhaps sending your kids to college isn't a bad thing after all. Close behind Bachman, he is my second favorite politician.
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2012-10-12, 14:23 | Link #1294 |
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U.S. consumer sentiment jumps ahead of elections
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...89B0U320121012 A good sign for Obama, no ? Factbox: Key quotes from vice presidential debate http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...89B03220121012
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2012-10-12, 14:39 | Link #1295 | |
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2012-10-12, 15:42 | Link #1296 | |
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Biden did exactly what Obama needed to do (and should have been doing for the last four years), which was to say strongly, "THIS STUFF IS BULLS***". Or malarkey, since Biden's Irish was showing quite a bit. Sorry but I don't find the things he did dismissive at all. He played equal parts debater and the voter watching at home perfectly. Frankly I'm amazed he wasn't more animated, especially when Ryan completely dodged questions, refused to offer any specifics, and repeated lines over and over again even when they have been proven time and again to be lies. I'm sure Biden could have contained himself better, but I'm baffled at the criticism. Debates are like this. Romney dominated time, interrupted and spoke out of turn, essentially told the moderator he'd fire him if he was elected, flipped on multiple issues and lied his ass off to the American people, and yet he "won" the debate because by golly, he looked so statesman. I saw people defending Obama's performance as "Presidential", which is a joke as well. I won't deny that body language matters, but people need to not be so hung up on the superficial and listen to what these people say. A lot of these commentaries I've been reading about last night focus far too little on the substance of the discussion and far more on the presentation. Huffington has an article about how much water Ryan drank. Really, water?! Who the heck cares?
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2012-10-12, 15:59 | Link #1297 |
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Yeah, sorry if you think interrupting someone literally over 80 times (rather than just debunking their arguments once they've finished speaking, which should be easy if Ryan's arguments are as weak as you claim, and would make their discourse more coherent to boot) counts as legitimate debating tactics, can't help you there if you think "CALLIN' OUT RYAN'S BULLSHIT" or whatever makes it okay to drown Ryan out and make the 'discussion' completely one-sided
What Romney did last week is irrelevant (though for what it's worth I think he also interrupted too much), whether people place too much emphasis on his mannerisms is irrelevant, none of that changes the fact that Biden's refusal to let Ryan speak without interrupting him every other sentence is poor form (which is all I was saying to begin with, no implications beyond that) |
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A stupid meme arose in the '80s that "Perception is Reality" - they taught it in the business schools. So advance several decades and today we have media (that is all about appearance rather than content) hashing out the kind of makeup a candidate wore or whether they rolled their eyes at something a child could tell was bullshit.
Whee .... :P
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2012-10-12, 16:04 | Link #1299 |
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I would have said "Ryan is a dodgy Eejit whose arguments are banjaxed. If that thick tool got into office he'd just make a hames of things as the country got knackered. I feel manky just listening to his blather. He should stop foostering about and cop on."
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2012-10-12, 16:04 | Link #1300 |
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people are terrible, I'm sure that this brand of retardation goes back much further than the 1980s, cavemen back in the prehistoric era probably elected their caveman tribe leaders based off who made the best cave drawings or something similarly petty
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