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2011-02-20, 20:59 | Link #8004 |
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Well, I hope they register, coz I've been getting more Unregistered Contributors lately. And it's giving TheObserver a headache as well.
By the way, I have read the Light Novels, but have skipped all of the arcs after The Book of the Law Arc. Is it still worth it to go back and read the arcs on the Daihaseisai and La Regina del Mare Adriatico?
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2011-02-20, 21:01 | Link #8005 | |
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I made 3-4 friends like this series, and I do my best attracting people in the dark side by putting awesome screencap-wallpapers on my laptop, watching new RAW episodes at school (I'm in a computer science school so we all got laptops), putting Accel's famous "this is my victory march" quote as a sig on the school's boards, and finally "favoriting"/uploading Index-related content on my Youtube channel. I'm evil EDIT: I also wrote on the whiteboard at the top "too bad! from now on it's a one-way-road!" and "but still I've decided to stay the strongest in front of that kid... shitholes" in Japanese (while my friend was writing Korean!), but I guess no one understands that |
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2011-02-20, 21:03 | Link #8006 |
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I'd say reading the novels is worth it, it just have so much more details.
For example, wasn't there a argument on the previous page about Kuroko's action when Sherry attacked? Kuroko can only take two person at a time, and to save the trouble of discussing who to go first Kuroko just grabbed the two who are making the most trouble at the time and can't agree to Touma's auggestions. Kuroko also wanted to come back and grab the remaining person (Hyouka), but by then Touma ran off and Kazakiri ran after him, leading to Kuroko taking other civilians to safety instead of wasting time looking for people. All that was in the novels, but I'm not sure if it was expilicitly stated in the anime. |
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Plus it has that whole Dan Brown atmosphere going for it. ...And abit of Pirates of the C now that I think about it...
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2011-02-20, 21:28 | Link #8008 | |
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2011-02-20, 21:41 | Link #8009 | |
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I've been trying my best, but not a lot of people seem to be interested to go into as much depth in Index as we do. I have, however, successfully converted my friend into an Accelerator fangirl (muahahahaha) and the advisor for our anime club is currently watching Index II each week.
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2011-02-20, 22:01 | Link #8010 | |
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2011-02-21, 05:41 | Link #8013 |
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Everything in one go. Spoiler tags to save page space:
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Fingers are a bit cold and a little stiff, so expect typos. Too tired and lazy to go back over everything though.
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Mikoto is a genius(being a level 5), is very creative in the use of her power and is quick to adapt in battle. That said, she's still just a middle schooler. One of the main differences between her and the guys who usually help Touma, is that they are experienced "pros", while she isn't. They are also already involved in that stuff, while Mikoto isn't Quote:
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You guys keep using the same "logic" for this ; why would Mikoto care what side is what?
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And to Kuroko, they were not all helpless; putting Touma aside since she knew she couldn't teleport him, Index and Hyouka were the helpless ones. Mikoto was a Level 5 Esper who had just earlier demonstrated, in front of Kuroko, that she can more than handle Sherry. Quote:
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2011-02-21, 07:20 | Link #8016 | |||||
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The Amakusa is around 50 strong and with Itsuwa at the center challenged Acqua and still lost. Even with the support of Kanzaki they still lost. How the hell do you expect Mikoto to "contribute" here? The only logical conclusion here is that at best she'll become a liability and at worst...well someone will have to become a meat shield for her because she is someone to be protected (go go plot armor). You keep bringing up Sherry and yeah you're right she could have contributed in that fight. I'm not exactly sure how that fight will end up given that Mikoto doesn't fight to kill and Sherry can pretty much endlessly reconstruct Ellis. Will including Mikoto really contribute anything to the plot if she were involved is the question at hand. We are at an impasse concerning this question so let's just say we agree to disagree. And you really need to look up the definition of a plot hole. There was no such thing because while convenient, it was explained in a way that no such plot holes exist. So let's go over some simple vocabulary shall we? Convenient does not equal plot hole okay? Quote:
I'm not saying DP is a reason why Mikoto "wouldn't be in a fight" but I'm saying it's why she would serve no purpose even if she was involved in the fight. DP would just instantly KO her out of the fight since she would probably display some form of enmity against Vento if she witnesses a scene of say Vento attacking that building with innocent civilians in it. So DP kicks in and we just wasted pages just to see Mikoto get knocked out and become a liability to Touma. You are just reiterating my statement of how I mentioned that if she could get around DP, then yes she can actually fight Vento to a degree. But since DP exists, it's a moot point so no real reason to dwell on it. Quote:
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*sigh* I don't even know why I'm bothering replying to this since you aren't even considering OUR points at all. You have at least 4 guys rebutting you and you are still rather steadfast in your beliefs. I'm not exactly sure whether I should commend you or call you delusional, but I wanna go back to lurking so please don't even bother replying to my 'rant' so I won't be compelled to make a reply. Hell I want to see more Itsuwa, but you don't see me raising a storm as to how and why she deserves more screen time. Though actually I'm wanting to see more of Index since her character and importance recently just clicked in my head and it all suddenly makes sense now...anyway, /lurks |
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2011-02-21, 07:24 | Link #8017 |
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You say plothole we say a part of the plot. Really we are going back and forth on this argument that really is no big deal. Your "plotholes" are really just very minor thing compared to big plot holes that are later on filled up in this series.
one plot hole im looking for being solved was after touma is crushed by Biaggios crosses why didn't he die or at least come back looking close to death. I've said its "Its" fault and im still waiting. |
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Anyway, you're still missing my point; you're looking at it from an out-of-series view. I'm talking about it being how Mikoto wouldn't just leave him alone when he goes off to fight. So it's forced how Kamachi keeps coming up with forced reasons for keeping her out when she's around to help. Quote:
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Plenty of characters in anime, not even just in Index, have jumped in to help with a fight despite having no contribution to the fight. Heck, in US comics like Teen Titans, the Justice League would show up just to do nothing more than eat a combined superhero weakness grenade (flashbang, kryponite, etc.) while Deathstroke makes his escape. (and I speak of a specific issue; it was a whle ago, but yes this did happen ) It's more important to stay consitant in this case. Mikoto wouldn't have made the plot any different, but she wouldn't have hurt it either. Quote:
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To come at this from another approach, say for example, two partners who are always side-by-side in a show. One of them is going to fight a bad guy while the other is incapacitated and helpless to do anything; should the writers violate the consistency of their partnership and split them up for the scene just to avoid "wasting time" with the useless character? The only difference here is that Mikoto and Touma aren't actually partners, but she'd still come to help him against Vento in a heartbeat. And just so you know, the above scenario happens all the time even between non-partners in a show; lots of shounen animes for example. One guy gets mowed down right away and is there bleeding and forced to watch or just lay unconscious while the other guy struggles to beat the bad guy, and sometimes even the second guy gets mowed down too. from you're point of view, it's a waste of screentime. Yet it's still done. (and no not just in shounen anime) So why is that so wrong here? Not that I want to see Mikoto lying in a pool of her own blood mind you, but Ido want to see consistency for Mikoto's character, not see her get sidelined by forced reasoning. Although strictly speaking, it might actually help Mikoto develop as a character to be nearly killed; a near-death experience is defintely a good to obtain perspective. Quote:
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I can't really say anything to her barely being injured, especially since those were my own criticisms of the series , but then again that was mostly the anime; she actually took some lickings during the fight with Mugino, and some close calls against Frenda. Either way it doesn't change that she used top-notch tactics in conjunction with her skills to beat two formidable opponents in a row while already being weakened. As for Accelerator, well, it's Accelerator. Honestly, he;s not so much powerful as much as hax. Just a different kind of hax from Divine Punishment and such. He's number 1 because his power has the ability to make him physically (not mentally, i.e. DP) invinceable. The only thing besides magic that can have a chance in hell of beating him is Imagine Breaker, only because it cancels out Accelerator's power. It doesn't matter how powerful you are when your power is just deflected, not overpowered. Mikoto could have the power to blow up a city block in one shot and with ease; Accelerator would just deflect everything, the blast, the debris, even the wind. Quote:
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Just because four guys are debating against me means I'm wrong? Furthermore, how do you know there aren't 10 guys here who agree with me but just don't want to bother taking part? That's....rather ignorant. In fact, I think we can safey say that there are a lot more than that who agree with me across the Internet; just because they're not here doesn't make me wrong in what I think or believe. Quote:
Most of all though, it looks like the part where you got really frustrated with me was the part where you misread my point (again), that point being that I wouldn't expect Mikoto to be able to do anything against Acqua, but to be consistent with her own character and try, just like everybody else Acqua defeated. It's a plot hole because it's inconsistent with Kuroko being a responsible a member of Judgement, which happens to be the definition of "plot hole." You get the people in most danger out first; it's common sense, no matter what you say. This point I can't concede on. And of course I'm focusing on these plot holes and not the other ones; those plot holes don't have anything to do with my stance that Mikoto shoud get some more action time when she appears.
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