2009-08-29, 10:44 | Link #1021 |
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I think blade does have a point with the new footage--Sunrise is known for altering lines and changing scenes and such to suit themselves.
But I'd like to think of that moment in Turn 25 as a private moment that only Lelouch remembers about Shirley--one even we the audience didn't get to see. She obviously has her "talking to Lelouch expression" on--her eyes are wide, and her smile is wide. I'd just like to think it's just a moment Lelouch treasured--one that was incredibly normal and natural. As for Shirley and the tomato... I have no clue. Perhaps though, if Shirley ate it consistently, this is also important. Because it's something that she "always" did, which would be important to Lelouch, given that I think he was looking for consistency in people. But it might also just be that it's cute, and the animators had an inside joke about it. XD We'll never know. Anyway, as for "Shirley smiling scenes" that they could have pulled for this first shot--the first thing that comes to my mind is actually her little self-satisfied smile in Turn 12 when she at last takes Lelouch's hat. That would have been fine for a smiling scene, and I'm sure there are other examples if you'd rather something not directly related to Lelouch. XD Shirley always had a big grin on her face. So I think it's cute that they reanimated this one--makes it a bit special. |
2009-09-02, 23:39 | Link #1023 | |
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About the scene, well, we have TWO instances where Shirley is with a fork and the tomato, so, it's unlikely that they were the only time where Shirley was waving the fork, she probably did that with Lelouch seeing someday... Hehe. |
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2009-09-05, 21:43 | Link #1024 |
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Completely randomly off the topic of cherry tomato-wielding Shirley, but I was thinking about her character type, and it struck me that she's very much a shoujo heroine. And I had to laugh, because how funny is that that a shoujo heroine would be stuck in a shounen show. (And it makes me a bit sad, because what a waste... XD)
But Shirley's all about "overcoming unhappiness" and "facing tomorrow" and "healing wounds", and had she lived her character goal would have been to "reunite" what was "broken" which is ridiculously shoujo-heroine-esque. She'd have tried to restore Lelouch and Suzaku's friendship and built a bridge back to Nunnally and who knows what else would have been up her sleeve after that. But in a shounen anime where the "villain" is the protagonist, a shoujo heroine of course can't survive. Because what does a shoujo heroine do? She rescues the villain. And you can't have that when you're writing a tragedy. okay, /random |
2009-09-05, 22:35 | Link #1026 | |
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The problem is though that Shirley was only a shojo heroine and most shojo's are pretty down to earth and don't delve into the larger world (not the high school romance ones anyway) So since she was a high school girl that got caught up in the grandness and ugliness of the larger world she was pretty much doomed, no matter how strong her will to help people was. But bless her heart did that girl try. Also, I wouldn't really call Code Geass a "Shonen" series. Seinen maybe, but I don't think Code Geass falls under any one specific genre. |
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2009-09-06, 01:50 | Link #1027 | |
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Anyway, though, I do think it was specifically the 'tragedy' part of Code Geass' genre classifications that locked the 'Shirley' route out, not its shounen and/or seinen-ness. To address the question in that last point: y'know, actually, I think I'd lean Code Geass more towards shounen than seinen. Mainly on account of, despite their occasionally twisted ways of displaying it, the main characters' belief in and actions in support of ideas like 'justice' and 'saving the world' and stuff. Iunno, I just sorta think that anything as idealistic and escapist and self-inflated as 'saving the world' probably doesn't belong in seinen. |
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2009-09-08, 15:04 | Link #1028 | |
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I agree that the tragedy aspect (and the fact that the original intention, at least with the first season, was that Lelouch was what in any other story would be the "villain" and the story was told from this villain's perspective) is the main reason why a happier outcome for Shirley wasn't possible. And honestly, I think everyone knew that'd be her fate, which is a bit unfortunate that Sunrise went with such an obvious decision. XD But I think that's why I enjoy her character so much, even though she didn't get a chance to bloom into someone who could really make things move. @seinen v. shounen - CG, I'd say, is just the darker end of shounen. It had the opportunity, with the end of season one, to become very seinen, but they chose the idealistic shounen route for R2, which is actually one of my biggest regrets about the show on the whole. I was happiest back in season one, during episodes 23-25, when it was starting to show it's dark underbelly. But no, the "I saved the world, and the world is pretty because of me" ending isn't very seinen at all. XD Last edited by fainessae; 2009-09-08 at 15:43. |
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2009-09-08, 15:20 | Link #1029 | |
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It was obvious? Well, maybe... But just because Lelouch was Lelouch. To make something else, only if they changed the way of the character or the series itself. It was obvious because there wasn't another kind of possibility, hehe. About the seinen, humm... I'm with Sol in this one. To me, Code Geass was a shonen anime with a little bit of seinen... And nothing else. Thank god. |
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2009-09-08, 15:43 | Link #1031 |
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Hmm, that's kind of surprising, actually, that it wasn't as obvious as I thought what her fate was. You learn something new every day. =) I think for me it was obvious because "regaining lost memories" = "death" seemed a pretty obvious fate for her, as she was a.) not a main character and b.) not influential in any plotline other than Lulu's personal one (unlike CC and Kallen). I knew this after season 1, which was why I switched to the CC/Lulu ship for a while right after the first season, because I thought Shirley was doomed to insignificance and tragedy. XD /fickle
@Nobodyman - from what I've heard of Death Note (although I haven't read it m'self), it has a pretty seinen-style ending, doesn't it? Not a "save the world" one, right? I don't really think there's a distinct "line" between seinen/shounen, just that a story leans toward one or the other. Same with shoujo/josei. |
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2009-09-11, 01:54 | Link #1033 |
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Well, shonen is a more epic and exagerated kind of story, where seinen is a story made from a more realistically point of view and stuff. That's the basic definition.
Death Note, for me, it's quite shonen, with a seinen background. There is some seinen portraits in the series, but Light and L accomplishments and plans are so over the top most of the time that they end up being non credible. That's my opinion, hehe. Anyway, let's get back to Shirley. Unlike Nobby, i didn't knew that Shirley was going to die, but ever since she started to love Lelouch again in R2, i was expecting. The guy just brings bad luck. |
2009-09-12, 09:34 | Link #1035 |
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Another off-topic discussion, but after playing Street Fighter 4 in Japanese, I am now having images of Shirley kicking old Chuck using Spinning Bird Kick, along with Rose and Chun Li in the swimming pool.
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2009-09-13, 00:18 | Link #1037 | |
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Didn't expect Rolo to do it though. The "incest" obsessed boy.
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2009-09-13, 00:21 | Link #1038 | |
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And yeah, I didnt expect that either. Up until that point I had kinda liked Rolo, but that made me stop liking him. |
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2009-09-13, 00:23 | Link #1039 |
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It was really pathetic how a lot of people made crackpot theories as to how Rolo wasn't her killer.
Which made it such a brutal slap to their faces when at the start of the next episode, Rolo was like "Oh yeah, nii-san, I was the one who shot your girlfriend."
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2009-09-13, 00:27 | Link #1040 |
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I actually never doubted Rolo had it in him.
Especially since from everyone in the student council (save Lelouch) she was closest to Rolo... or more like, she had the largest potential to get through to him. Since it's Shirley, that just had to end bloody. xD I still adore him, though.
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