(L) CLANNAD the Movie

[-Nyu-]

Originally Posted by Question

So does anyone know how long this movie is going to be? An hour? 1.5?

There is no info on the official site yet. I'd guess 1.5 - 2 hours.

[FireChick]

It actually is a repeat.

Spoiler for Fuko:

Fuuko is the astral projection of a comatose girl according to Wikipedia. Also, Ayu from Kanon was another projection so they copied Ayu's...spirit projection and made Fuko into one. Well, I might be right...I think

[Maritime]

How on Earth did Toei manage to get their hands on this project? I only discovered Key and their excellent works about a month ago but after watching Kyoto's Air and Kanon '06 and comparing them to Toei's Air Movie and Kanon '02 there's no doubt in my mind as to which company is more faithful to the original Key material. Don't get me wrong, Toei have done some really great work over the years but I personally feel that they're just not good enough to tell the sort of stories that Key makes.

I'd really like to be wrong on this, but I just can't see it.

[Sushi-Y]

Originally Posted by FireChick

It actually is a repeat.

Spoiler for Fuko:

Fuuko is the astral projection of a comatose girl according to Wikipedia. Also, Ayu from Kanon was another projection so they copied Ayu's...spirit projection and made Fuko into one. Well, I might be right...I think

Although Key veterans can easily point out the common trait shared between Fuuko and Ayu, both their character and story are on a completely different vector. At the very least, Fuuko's character and story setting felt completely original to me. I would even go as far as to say that Fuuko's route hit me harder than Ayu's did.

Originally Posted by Maritime

How on Earth did Toei manage to get their hands on this project? I only discovered Key and their excellent works about a month ago but after watching Kyoto's Air and Kanon '06 and comparing them to Toei's Air Movie and Kanon '02 there's no doubt in my mind as to which company is more faithful to the original Key material. Don't get me wrong, Toei have done some really great work over the years but I personally feel that they're just not good enough to tell the sort of stories that Key makes.

I'd really like to be wrong on this, but I just can't see it.

That's the problem really. People tend to think Toei=bad and Kyoani=god, I mean good, but that's not really true. If we were to look at Toei's adaptations on their own, they are by no means bad. For example, people generally considered Toei's Kanon a good adaptation back in 2002. And if we don't think about Kyoani's AIR anime, I'd say Toei's AIR movie wasn't that bad either.

So it's really Toei=good, but Kyoani=better. Kyoani deserves the praise because they really put the effort into their creations, but that still doesn't make Toei a bad company in any way. If there's going to be a Kyoani CLANNAD TV anime in the future, then great. But even if there isn't one, it still shouldn't affect how we rate this movie.

Either way, as long as they don't bend or mess around with the scenario, I'll be happy with whatever we get out of this movie.

By the way, here are my personal top 5 scenes (besides the main story of Nagisa route + After Story + Illusion World) that I wish to see in animation (some are probably impossible to fit in the movie):

Spoiler:

5. Sunohara's attempts to expose Tomoyo as a man (智代、おまえのおっぱい貸してくれ！(Tomoyo, lend me your boobs!) )
4. Tomoyo's Sunohara-64hit-combo (impossible in animation? )
3. Akio/Sanae-san's manzai scenes in general (俺は大好きだぁ！！)
2. Tomoya's journey to becoming Fuuko Master + Fuuko route in general
1. Ushio arc in general

[nani]

Since the movie will probably be 90 min long, my wish list of game materials to be included into the movie will be very short:

Spoiler:

1. The 64 Hit Combo (Actually, this scene is a good way to let all the other characters to make a cameo appearance)
   
2. Naoyuki's and Ushio's stories (The theme of Clannad is family. I think it will be a good idea to illustrate this theme by describing the issues Tomoya faced with, both as a son and as a father).

[aohige]

CLANNAD: Fall of 2007
Toei Animation / Director: Osamu Dezaki
(same as Air movie. legendary director for many classics such as Ashita no Joe, The Rose of Versailles, etc)

[Vexx]

Originally Posted by Maritime

How on Earth did Toei manage to get their hands on this project? I only discovered Key and their excellent works about a month ago but after watching Kyoto's Air and Kanon '06 and comparing them to Toei's Air Movie and Kanon '02 there's no doubt in my mind as to which company is more faithful to the original Key material. Don't get me wrong, Toei have done some really great work over the years but I personally feel that they're just not good enough to tell the sort of stories that Key makes.

I'd really like to be wrong on this, but I just can't see it.

I kind of get the feeling that TOEI is Key's lower-budget test market tool. Although I can't quite figure out why they'd go for the movie first (rather than something like the AIR sequence... perhaps the movie sales on AIR were disappointing to them so they think a movie-first might maximize that profit item before moving to OVAs or a series... especially since given the material they might have to resort to a two season series).

[houkoholic]

Actually Toei is the much larger company here (don't let the Kyoani hype get to you, Kyoani is still really just a small production house), therefore they were probably rich enough to fork over the money in advance to take full control of the project in a way that was satisfactory to Key. Plus the Clannad movie project was announced as far back as last year along side the Kanon 2k6 TV at TAF. If anything the two projects were probably concurrent.

Also the Kyoani Key work adaptations are a collaboration between various parties, for example both AIR and Kanon TV involved the parties of Pony Canyon/Kyoani/Movic/TBS, obviously when you need to have that many minor parties involved to create an anime things tend to work differently.

[Leo_Otaku]

Oh wow pretty page the sakura ..i want to catch them >.<. Nagisa looks so nice! The art style is really neat looking.

[velocity7]

First thoughts... the line above Nagisa's picture here translates to: Did you lose someone important to you?

Based on that line alone, I'd gather...

Spoiler:

This is lethal! Are you sure?

Spoiler:

Last warning!

Spoiler:

The movie will likely take place during After Story after Nagisa's death, with Tomoya trying to take care of Ushio and trying to make a miracle happen, with flashbacks to the School Life story.

Another possible take could be...

Spoiler:

Tomoya most likely lost someone close to him (maybe TOEI will rewrite it so his father or mother dies at the beginning of the story?) and Nagisa tries to comfort him during the School Life period.

[Sushi-Y]

Originally Posted by velocity7

First thoughts... the line above Nagisa's picture here translates to: Did you lose someone important to you?

"Have you ever lost someone important to you?" might fit the context better, but that's just me being meh.

As for your spoiler comments, I don't see why they can't cover both the school life portion and after story portion in the movie. Although I'll agree the movie would come off much more dramatic and "movie-like" with the way you suggested.

That, and your spoiler is lethal for those who never played the game. Might want to slap on a few more layers of spoiler tags there.

As for the losing someone thing,

Spoiler:

it applies to pretty much every character in CLANNAD if you think about it, so it's somewhat of a recurring theme of the game. For the movie though, it'll probably be focused on Nagisa (and maybe Ushio if there's time).

[FireChick]

"Have you ever lost someone important to you?" might fit the context better, but that's just me being meh.

Actually...I've lost someone very important to me last month.

[nani]

Seems that Kyo, Tomoyo, Akio and Sanae will at least make a cameo appearance in the film. Now, where is Fuuko?!

Spoiler for story:

Looks like the story will consist of three parts : school life, after graduation (After Story?) and the 幻想世界

Originally Posted by FireChick

Actually...I've lost someone very important to me last month.

My condolence. Hope you are feeling better now......

[FireChick]

I'm not. I lost my precious cat who was 19 years old who died of poisoning/kidney failure. Sorry if I went off topic. Oh and maybe there's a page that does have Fuuko but isn't shown. But is the boy with the blue hair Youhei? No, it can't be! In the game he's blonde! Besides, the blue haired boy reminds me of Len from La Corda D'Oro because of hair and uniform.

[FatPianoBoy]

I also find their lack of Fuuko disturbing. FPB demands ヘンな人 goodness.
Hopefully they just left her out of that particular article, or she got cut out of the scan.
[/wishful thinking]

[Sushi-Y]

Originally Posted by FatPianoBoy

I also find their lack of Fuuko disturbing. FPB demands ヘンな人 goodness.
Hopefully they just left her out of that particular article, or she got cut out of the scan.
[/wishful thinking]

All the Fuuko Masters in the world would riot if they left her out. Same goes for Kotomi or even subcharacters like Yukine or Mei. I'm guessing the character arts for the other characters were simply not ready when the magazine article was being written, that's all.

[Skane]

Sacrifices would need to be made if they want to make a coherent movie without the plot wandering all over.

[FatPianoBoy]

Originally Posted by Skane

Sacrifices would need to be made if they want to make a coherent movie without the plot wandering all over.

But those sacrifices don't need to include Fuuko


Any chance of this movie being two hours? I just can't see anyone fitting this much stuff into 90 minutes without trimming nearly everything (and everyone) and leaving only the skeletal remains of Nagisa's arch.

[velocity7]

The chance of an anime movie being two hours is roughly the same as seeing another Mobile Suit Gundam: Char's Counterattack.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Originally Posted by velocity7

The chance of an anime movie being two hours is roughly the same as seeing another Mobile Suit Gundam: Char's Counterattack.

Especially from Toei who is reknowned for making 50 minute movie after 50 minute movie of their properties, roughly following the exact same plot. If I had to pick the largest fault with the company it would definitely be that and their tendency to have one fairly repetitive opening song and remix it several times for most of the BGM including a shortened vocal version for the first fight scene they have in their action series.