[Game] Umineko no Naku Koro ni - Ep. 3 Banquet of the golden witch

[Proto]

It may be useful to look at the complete list of changes that patch you mentioned included. Maybe we are over thinking it and this particular punctuation change was just one among many minor corrections.

[chronotrig]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

I think this has been at the center of a debate before.

It seems like Ryukishi in a patch changed a red sentece that included a red dot into the same sentece with the dot left white.

This led to some speculations about the importance of punctuation.

Frankly I hope Ryukishi will not resort to such an excuse. Maybe it's me but I think it's kinda lame.

Whoa, wait a second. He never changed a dot from red to white.
It was an end quote (」) that was changed. This was obviously a mistake because it's the only time in the game that a 」 was red. It means that Ryuukishi does care about the coloring of some punctuation, but it's by no means proof that the actual sentence enders are important.

[Rias]

@izmosmolnar: Although what you have suggested doesn't really work, you are on a good track. I'm surprised that you are able to see this in ep3...it took me until ep4 to see something like that and to come up with a decent theory.

Of course, the theory is as popular as the "Rokkenjima Syndrome Theory": not very. It can happen, but we all don't want it to be true. Makes the solution boring that way

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by chronotrig

Whoa, wait a second. He never changed a dot from red to white.
It was an end quote (」) that was changed. This was obviously a mistake because it's the only time in the game that a 」 was red. It means that Ryuukishi does care about the coloring of some punctuation, but it's by no means proof that the actual sentence enders are important.

Whops, I confused the two things ^^;
But well anyway it's been explained already that this trick doesn't work with japanese.

[Proto]

One card that I'm amazed that Battler has played, is throwing back that "If you don't solve every single mistery, the witch side wins" right back at her: "If I solve even one mistery, it's enough proof that you are a quack. Why would you need to lie about something being magical if you claim your magic is real, and how that single proof completely destroys your credibility".

[tcaz2]

Originally Posted by Proto

One card that I'm amazed that Battler has played, is throwing back that "If you don't solve every single mistery, the witch side wins" right back at her: "If I solve even one mistery, it's enough proof that you are a quack. Why would you need to lie about something being magical if you claim your magic is real, and how that single proof completely destroys your credibility".

Except he already knows she's a liar. Her credibility isn't what's in question here. As long as even one magical thing exists, regardless of whether or not anything else is done by humans, becomes proof that witches exist = Battler loses.

Which is because his win condition is a denial of all magic, not just a denial of her credibility.

[chronotrig]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

Whops, I confused the two things ^^;
But well anyway it's been explained already that this trick doesn't work with japanese.

Actually, the whole 'the punctuation is a lie=question' thing does work for several of them if we assume casual speech, but it would sound very awkward in most cases and would be a very messy way to hide secrets.

However, the possibility that Rias suggested in the EP4 thread, that sentences without red punctuation haven't ended, and can therefore mean the opposite, is very possible to do with the Japanese language and has been discussed at length more than a half dozen times on the 2ch thread. Although I personally would be a little let down if that was the answer.

Spoiler for Example of the puntuation trick:

Kanon is dead is something I'd like to say but since I'm not a witch and he's actually the killer I cannot, damn it.

What would happen if you tried to say this but then stopped talking after the third word? By the way, this is in orange text so that the red text fairy doesn't find me and murder me in my sleep.

Originally Posted by Proto

One card that I'm amazed that Battler has played, is throwing back that "If you don't solve every single mistery, the witch side wins" right back at her: "If I solve even one mistery, it's enough proof that you are a quack. Why would you need to lie about something being magical if you claim your magic is real, and how that single proof completely destroys your credibility".

Spoiler for possible ep3 spoilers:

Doesn't prove that she's a quack, it just supports that theory. Remember from the EP2 Hidden Tea Party, that Beato is apparently a 'fickle witch who likes to bluff, who makes unneeded moves so that she can win overpoweringly, instead of making the best move at a given time'. So as long as Battler fails to solve a single mystery, it could mean that Beato was just using the other ones to mess with his head.

Except, the person who told us this about Beato's personality was Lambda......

[izmosmolnar]

Originally Posted by Rias

@izmosmolnar: Although what you have suggested doesn't really work, you are on a good track. I'm surprised that you are able to see this in ep3...it took me until ep4 to see something like that and to come up with a decent theory.

Well, thank you for your kind words.
I was just irritated with all the exclamation marks and period dots being blank, in a huge red wall of text (the image I linked is a good example of that), and I just started to think of an explanation why doesn't she include them in the red part.

I mean even Ryukishi presumably has to manually change the text-color, once he was writing the script, then there has to be a reason he goes through the trouble to change the color of punctuality marks in some of the sentences, and don't do the same procedure in others.
That seemed like a good reason, and if the Japanese grammar would work similarly to the european languages (to be honest it could be feasible with all the 4 languages I speak), it could even resolve a huge part of the mystery.

Well, possibly it is just a decoy or something (Not like I really wanted it to be true, since the anime would look a bit silly with such a solution), and I hope they don't hold any significance whatsoever.

Even the possibility Chrono mentions sounds awkward, and most possibly going to earn a few :facepalm: effects from several of us, if it's going to be true.

[MeoTwister5]

Just finished episode 2 and about to start episode 3....

As for the pre-epsidoe tea parties....

Spoiler for Spoilers:

Having Bern say "Nipaa!" to lift the players spirits up put a huge smile on my face, considering the brainhurting insanity of the end of episode 2.

What more mindfucking stuff awaits me in episode 3 I wonder....

[Marion]

Hey guys, just something I noticed about the death of the 7 parents - it seems to occur when at least one leaves the group during the night of the 1st twilight.

EP 1- Natsuhi, Eva and Hideyoshi leave early
EP 2- Rosa leaves early.

Spoiler for Minor EP 3:

However, in EP 3 none of them retire early and they all stay the night. As a result none of them die the 1st twilight.

Pretty odd concidence or simply more or less of a basis for a theory that at least one of the 7 parents influence the 1st twilight in some way.

[Jan-Poo]

Well if we accept the theory that only six must die on first twilight then the culprit cannot assault a group whose number is greater than six. So yes probably the fact that noone left early is the reason they survived. However the culprit could have taken them one by one in their bedrooms after the meeting. Actually it would make more sense than assaulting a large group.

There is also to consider if we can trust them when they say they left early. Episode1 might still be accepted, but Rosa in episode2 considering the situation how could she just walk away?

[maximilianjenus]

In higurashi we had the killer of the rule X doing rule Y kills (watanagashi-meakashi), I guess now we have the killer of rule Y doing rule X kills (rosa).

[Marion]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

Well if we accept the theory that only six must die on first twilight then the culprit cannot assault a group whose number is greater than six. So yes probably the fact that noone left early is the reason they survived. However the culprit could have taken them one by one in their bedrooms after the meeting. Actually it would make more sense than assaulting a large group.

There is also to consider if we can trust them when they say they left early. Episode1 might still be accepted, but Rosa in episode2 considering the situation how could she just walk away?

True. She could have used some excuse like: "Oh I need to take care of Maria" or something of a similar nature. Then again, why not do that in EP 1 or 3.

There's also something else about that: In EP 1 only those that left survived the 1st twilight. In EP 2 Rosa who left survived the 1st twilight. In EP 3 nobody left but they all survived. If anything, the people who leave are the most suspicious for that reason.

[rogerpepitone]

Side thought about the second twilight. Why did Maria get so upset about wanting to see the rose?

Spoiler for That and other things:

For various reasons, I believe that:
1) Maria planted the final envelope with the discord circle in eps 1 and 2. (Both envelopes were sealed, appeared at about the same time, and had similar contents. Only Battler and Maria were in position both episodes.)
2) The Beatrice who gave Maria the envelopes ("Signet Beatrice") is probably Jessica or Kumasawa, for reasons related to the Halloween party.
3) Maria only had one envelope on the morning of Oct 5 in episode 2. (Rosa searched her handbag.)
Conclusion: Maria probably received the discord envelope sometime after 6AM Oct. 5.
Guess: Signet Beatrice told Maria they'd meet again tomorrow morning, and not to tell anyone. In episodes 1 and 2, they did so, and SB gave Maria the discord envelope then. In episode 3, SB did not meet with Maria, so eventually Maria asked to go to the rose in the hopes of seeing SB.
Further Guess: SB did not meet with Maria in Episode 3 because she was killed in the first twilight then but not in episode 1 or 2. This is consistent with the "Kumasawa is SB" hypothesis.

Rule Y sequence of events:
1) On Oct 4, Beatrice (Kumasawa) appears to Maria and gives her a sealed envelope with a letter, which is to be opened at dinner. (Slightly adjusted in episode 2 due to the party and Rosa's presence.) Beatrice will appear again tomorrow, but Maria is not to mention that.
2) Overnight, Kumasawa prepares the discord letter.
3) Early Oct 5, Beatrice (Kumasawa) gives Maria the discord letter, with instructions to reveal it around 10 PM.

The key event which separates ep. 3 from eps 1 and 2 is Kumasawa's premature death.

[Jan-Poo]

Spoiler for rose in hte garden:

There must be another reason. Maria was obsessed with that rose before she was given the letter and it's impossible that rose had a particular significance before that day, because it was the only sick rose in the garden.

Then if the rose was just a meeting place why Maria stayed there even after meeting Beatrice?

Also You'd have to think that Maria is actually retarded, because in ep3 she knew Kumasawa was dead and yet she threw a tantrum because she wanted to check the rose.

Lastly why Beatrice didn't give her all the letters at the same time? Why she had to do that in different instances with all the problems that that entails?

It would be more logical to think something was placed in the garden (maybe the letter) and that was what Maria was desperately looking for, however since the marking point (the rose) was missing, she couldn't find it anymore. However in that case Kumasawa's premature death doesn't mean a thing.

[maximilianjenus]

Spoiler for maria:

Maria has got several letters ready depending on which scenario plays.

[MeoTwister5]

Probably a minor issue but...

Spoiler for Spoilers:

Any particular reason why in her flashback dream, Beatrice's hair was white?

[Marion]

Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

Probably a minor issue but...

Spoiler for Spoilers:

Any particular reason why in her flashback dream, Beatrice's hair was white?

Well...you might not want to read the spoiler I'm going to make, since it will be revealed later in the episode anyway.

Spoiler for Read at your own risk, Meo:

That witch is Virgilia, the previous Beatrice/Endless Witch. She's Beatrice's teacher and her predecessor. The other person that wasn't seen in that scene was a younger Beatrice (the one that we know) apparently.

[maximilianjenus]

Spoiler for spoiler for beatrice:

or, going by ages, the one in the flashback might be the mother of the current beatrice.

[Renall]

I'm current on the translation, but these theories only encompass information from ep1-3 as far as I know. Spoilers through to the end of ep3:

Spoiler for Identity of the 'Staker':

Assuming for a moment that the individual who stakes corpses is one of the 18 people, and that there is only one such individual, there are only two people who could possibly have done so without needing an alibi in the overwhelming majority of cases:

Jessica and Nanjo.

Of the two, Jessica is the harder case to make. She cannot be the staker in ep1 without help as she has an alibi in several cases (for my purposes, an alibi is ONLY when someone is acknowleged to be in the presence of Battler himself). She cannot be the staker in ep2 unless her death was faked. She cannot be the staker in ep3 unless she ONLY STAKED BODIES and DID NOT KILL ANY OF THEM. Her motives for doing so are unclear.

Therefore, I believe Nanjo is the more probable staker. There are several reasons to suspect him:

1) He is a doctor, and has intimate knowledge of anatomy. If you asked me to guess where the stomach is, I probably wouldn't properly gouge it, but a doctor would never make a mistake in staking a victim. The staker does not make anatomical mistakes.

2) He is always one of the last people to die, and is generally among the last individuals to be staked. He turns up with Genji and Kumasawa in ep1 and no one is staked subsequent; though he is said to be dead in ep2, his body does not turn up, once again, until there are no more people to be staked. In ep3 he is the last person to die if we don't count Eva/Battler/Jessica and whatever happened to all three of them that left Battler and Jessica dead and Eva alive.

3) He could have motive to do it. It could be in someone outside the island's best interests to ensure that the Rokkenjima murders appear to be a ritualistic killing. To that end, it might behoove someone on the island to create that appearance. Nanjo could be motivated by money or blackmail or something very easily, as he has few obvious connections to anyone else on the island.

4) He is often by himself or has an alibi which is only supported by other people with suspect alibis (such as Genji and Kinzo).

To give an example of this: in ep1, the last time Nanjo is seen by anyone is at the confirmation of the murders of Hideyoshi and Eva. The group then leaves for the stairs, where they smell something and send Kanon and Kumasawa down to check. Kanon rushes down into the basement and encounters someone just leaving (presumably after staking Kinzo, though we can't be sure). The individual stabs Kanon (with a stake, no less) and flees outside. Nanjo then turns up again slightly later. It is not impossible for him to have slipped away just long enough to beat Kanon downstairs. Battler didn't notice or acknowledge him, but we can't tell if that's because he was there and not talking to Battler (Battler was talking to Jessica and George), or if he was absent. The anime might give a hint here.

In ep2, only his premature death suggests he couldn't be the staker. However, while he is reported to have been killed much earlier, his body is only found much later, by Genji who is already suspicious in ep2. If he stayed alive until close to the end, he could have staked everyone present before being killed himself and staked for whatever reason.

In ep3, all stakings are done by the time Nanjo is killed. He himself is not apparently staked, as he is shot in the head (if the TIPS are accurate). A prevailing theory for ep3 is that Nanjo's killer was one of either Kyrie, Rudolf or Hideyoshi, who were not yet dead and killed him before succumbing to their wounds. If Nanjo staked them while they were not dead, this explains why they might seek him out and kill him. See below for why I think most people need motive to do so.

Of course, this assumes Nanjo to be the ONLY staker. It's not impossible that there are at least two people coordinating the stakings, which would permit anyone to be present at the time of a staking while the other establishes an alibi. If Nanjo has an accomplice, I am willing to bet it's Kumasawa. The fact that she turns up dead with him two times out of three is suspect, and if she is merely aiding him in the stakings (but is not necessarily the staker herself), her early death in ep3 does not stop him from staking.

I am strongly suspicious that the staker is not a murderer, or at least is not responsible for MOST of the murders. All the staker has to do is find the bodies first and drive a stake into them. Since many of the stake locations are non-lethal places to injure someone, it makes more sense that they died of some other cause and were staked later. However, the staker's cause requires a level of premeditation that seems to run counter to this; unless they knew someone was going to die in the first place, why would they be out staking bodies? It's of course possible that they took credit for kills they didn't make, to establish credibility for the "witch theory."

The staker is not flawless. There are clearly some killings they did not or could not get to in time. Rosa and Maria in ep3 are the obvious ones here, as they were the Second Twilight but were NOT staked (probably because Nanjo was cooped upstairs in the guesthouse and wasn't expecting Eva or whoever to have killed anyone yet). Indeed, the staker didn't need all their stakes, and in ep3 didn't seem to actually USE them.

Also noted below, but the stakes cannot just come out of nowhere. Someone either brought them to Rokkenjima on the 4th, or they already existed on the island for someone to locate and use. Note that Maria's diary suggests she knew what they were, although it doesn't suggest she had ever seen them directly.

Spoiler for Killer Theories:

I am all but certain of this: There is more than one killer. Most, if not all of the killers are not working together.

There are certain patterns that indicate a modus operandi for a killer that are then violated by other corpses that turn up. I don't think it's reasonable that a given killer would randomly vary their methods between killings for no clear reason. Although there is no evidence that each of these is a separate killer, the following individuals seem to exist:

The "Shooter" - Uses some kind of gun or spear and is responsible for a large number of the killings in ep1 and ep2. Seems to be responsible for the First Twilight of ep3, or at least for the killings. This killer seems to stalk people and kill them instantly without causing excessive damage to the bodies. If the weapon is a gun, this could be nearly anyone or could be multiple people with guns since at least four guns exist. Raises questions of how they could kill without the sounds of gunfire being noticed, but they may have a silenced weapon or a "pressure" gun. If this is true, then some of the killings were unrelated (like the potential Kyrie/Rudolf/Hideyoshi gunfight in ep3), while others were silent kills.

The "Smasher" - Uses some kind of device to smash human faces into unrecognizable or near-unrecognizable forms. Is responsible for the First Twilight of ep1 and the last few killings of the same episode. Does not seem to be a killer in ep2 or ep3. Probably isn't capable of smashing the faces on their own unless they are exceptionally strong. I would suspect Krauss of this, but there's no real strong evidence since it's an ep1-exclusive killer (as far as we can see).

The "Poisoner" - Kills with poison. Seems to be responsible at the very least for the deaths of the adults in the First Twilight of ep2. Could be responsible for other killings, if a different killer or the Staker showed up later to mutilate the bodies. Rosa is extremely suspicious here, since she brought some tea with her from off the island and has sedatives for Maria.

The "Slasher" - Uses a sharp object. May be the "Poisoner" as well. Seems to have had a hand in the ep2 First Twilight and the killings of Nanjo and Kumasawa. Their device needs to be sharp enough to cut open human stomachs and throats, which means at LEAST a kitchen knife or scalpel and possibly a sword or cleaver. Could be anyone really, though Nanjo (as a doctor), Gohda (is physically strong, has access to the kitchen), or Rosa (could be the "Poisoner") are highly suspect. Maybe even Kanon.

The "Strangler" - Uses physical violence and strangulation. Kills people in haphazard and apparently improvised ways. Seems to be responsible for the deaths of Rosa and Maria in ep3, as well as Krauss and Natsuhi in the same. Does not appear in ep1 or ep2, which might suggest this is Eva.

The "Staker" - Possesses or has access to the Stakes of Purgatory and tries to put them in bodies in accordance with the epitaph. May or may not be one of the killers, or none of the killers. May be multiple people. If the Staker is killed, other killers might figure out what he or she was doing and continue the stakings to mask their own efforts. As I noted, Nanjo and Jessica are the only people who definitely COULD be the Staker at all times, assuming there is only one.

It's easy to explain why there might be multiple killers: Nearly everyone has a motive. If one person is driven to kill, it may lead others to kill. There are two facts which absolutely MUST be true, however:

1) At least one of the killers premeditated their killings at least as early as the 4th, and probably sooner. This individual was probably the one responsible for the First Twilight, although I suspect the First Twilight in each of the first three episodes was a different person each time. So it's possible that there were MANY premeditated murder plans.

2) At least one of the 18 people on the island has a vested interest in making the others (or perhaps the authorities afterwards) believe that the epitaph is being followed. Or believes the epitaph is ordering them to kill (if they're crazy).

One thing that follows from this: There is no reason to assume every killer wants to kill all 18 people on the island. In fact, that seems entirely improbable. It's possible that one of the killers wants to kill everyone else and commit suicide (leaving no survivors), however most of the individuals on the island have a distinct interest in staying alive. Additionally, there are people that one assumes each of the 18 people would not kill (spouses their husbands/wives, parents their children, children their parents, Kanon Shannon and vice-versa). Thus it seems impossible for all 18 people to die (or 17 of the 18 to die) unless multiple killers are operating in EACH EPISODE. Even if we believe Eva is the killer in ep3, there's no logical reason for her to kill George, which means someone else must have done that.

Spoiler for The Devil's Roulette:

Doesn't exist. The First Twilight killings are distinctly NOT random. While it is not impossible for someone to be killed twice in a row with a 1/3 random chance of selection, the killed individuals always have a relationship to each other or could be argued to have seen the killer or otherwise messed with them.

Who is selected seems to say more about the killer than the victims. In ep1, the killer seems eager to kill the adults at the conference, but is frustrated somehow by Eva and Hideyoshi's early retirement and does not or cannot go after Natsuhi. He or she then kills Shannon (who was on mansion patrol) and Gohda for whatever reason, making six. In ep2, the intention definitely seems to have been to kill the parents and their spouses. Why Rosa is left out is either a sign of her guilt or something else. In ep3, the killer seems intent on taking out the servants for some reason. If their methods rely on avoiding the notice of people who are intimately familiar with the mansion's layout, taking the servants out might be reasonable.

The odd thing here is that the First Twilight is always exactly six deaths. There's no particularly important reason why this has to happen, or why the First Twilight always happens between Midnight and 6am on the 5th. If we accept one of the killers is trying to match the epitaph it explains that, but if the First Twilight killer WASN'T that person in any given case, they must have had some OTHER reason to only kill 6 people. It could just be a coincidence, of course, if six people were all they happened to be able to kill.

Spoiler for Natsuhi's Room in ep2:

Sez Beatrice: "Natsuhi's room was exactly the same, just like usual!" This is a very curious statement, as Natsuhi's room was found ransacked with three bodies in it. It also doesn't conform to Beatrice's red text descriptions of other closed rooms. Is there an implication here that Natsuhi's room is NORMALLY in a ransacked state? If that is what it's saying, why is this important? Is it meant to show that Natsuhi's anger has a violent side? Is it meant to show something about her mental state? Why reveal this in ep2, where she's been dead since the First Twilight? Is it supposed to be a hint for ep1?

Spoiler for Things That Must Exist on Rokkenjima:

The island is closed off on the afternoon of the 4th. That means that any objects present on the island MUST ALREADY BE THERE. This applies to EVERY SINGLE EPISODE. An item which exists on Rokkenjima on the 4th must exist in EVERY episode, even if it is never used. This has certain unusual implications when you consider everything that has to be present. Consider some of the following examples:

• Several weapons, one of them possibly a silenced weapon or a speargun. The four Winchesters could be some of these weapons, and presumably at least four of them exist in all episodes.
• The gold, including at least one "loose" bar.
• Some kind of poison or sedative. Also Jessica's inhalers.
• Something sharp enough to cut open human stomachs and throats.
• Halloween candy and decorations from the "party." THEY MUST EXIST IN EP1 AND EP3, AND ARE JUST NOT USED! THEY CANNOT HAVE BEEN ACQUIRED LATER!
• Whatever is used to paint the magical circles, as well as the designs themselves.
• The Stakes of Purgatory.
• A device that can destroy human skulls, and possibly one that can completely destroy a corpse.
• Kinzo's signet ring and stationery used to create letters.
• The various keys and master keys.
• Rope or piano wire as used to strangle Krauss and Natsuhi in ep3.
• The cleaver used by Kanon in ep1. Also the gardening equipment he was carrying in ep1 when he's first introduced.
• The ring that George gives Shannon.
• Some means to move bodies around, unless everyone dies where they're discovered. Might not exist if the bodies are only ever moved by someone strong enough to carry them.
• Everyone's luggage, and whatever might be inside.
• Maria's rose, which disappears each time.

Spoiler for Kinzo's 'Alchemy Advisor' & the Gold:

There is considerable speculation about where Kinzo got his gold, which is massive in quantity and unmarked with anything that would identify its origins. I think that's looking at it the wrong way. Who says Kinzo had anything at all?

FACT 1: Beatrice introduces herself in one letter as "Kinzo's alchemy advisor."

FACT 2: Kinzo's personality is one which, by multiple sources' admission, takes massive risks in the hopes of massive payoffs.

FACT 3: Only one bar was allowed to be taken by the bank representative to be tested.

SPECULATION: The gold is fake. Only one or a handful of bars are made of actual gold and the rest are iron, lead, or whatever. Beatrice and Kinzo used "alchemy" to conjure up ten tons of "gold" which Kinzo used as collateral to secure loans for rebuilding the Ushiromiya family's fortunes. One bar's authenticity was confirmed, but THAT DOES NOT INDICATE THAT ALL THE GOLD IS REAL. Kinzo's gamble paid off, and he was able to repay his loans without needing to hand over the collateral. "Beatrice" (whoever she was) and Kinzo committed fraud, and from it produced a miracle. Metaphorically, you could call that magic.

And yes, if Eva was driven to murder in ep3 over it, that means she killed people for nothing.

The epitaph only promises "all the gold." It doesn't say how much of it actually IS gold...

Spoiler for The Chapel & Guns in ep1:

Does the chapel even exist in the first episode? Logically, it ought to; it's not like a building can just suddenly exist on one board and not on another, or Beatrice would be cheating massively. Yet no one in ep1 talks about it, acknowledges that it exists, or suggests investigating it. It proves critical to do so in the next two episodes, but not the first. Is anything going on in the chapel in ep1, or was it simply invented for the story after the first episode had been written?

The same is true of the Winchesters. In ep1 and ep2, there is only one. In ep3, there are four. I could write this off as an error or a later development in the storywriting, but in ep1 and ep2 the only people who know where the guns are kept happen to be the only survivors of the adults who are aware of the guns' existence (Natsuhi in ep1, Rosa in ep2). If we accept that there are always at least 4 Winchester rifles on the island, that means that Natsuhi and Rosa INTENTIONALLY DO NOT RETRIEVE MORE THAN ONE GUN, or that THREE OF THE GUNS ARE MISSING. Draw your own conclusions.

Spoiler for Something That Bugs Me About the Typhoon:

This is a nitpick, but it bothers me that nobody gets bloody or wet or leaves muddy footprints. All of these things would greatly help in determining where people have been and what they are doing; for instance, in ep1 the boiler room killer who fled from Kanon would have to have been outside and thus gotten their clothes wet or bloody, but no one ever notices anything of the sort. It's probably just to make the mystery more interesting because those things are kind of dry, obvious forensic things, but it is bothersome. Unless the killer has a plan that keeps their stuff dry.