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Marcus H. · 2011-11-29, 05:32

Hey guys, I'm just in the middle of rewatching Bakemonogatari, and I discovered that I haven't scoured the series of its numerous references and stuff that "normal" people would overlook. To those who can answer these questions, I'd appreciate your knowledge.

So here it goes:
1. Is it possible that Hitagi's mother is a member of the Aum Shinrikyo? (Speculative question only.)

2. What does each of the five opening credits of Bakemonogatari tell us regarding the featured character?

2.a. Why is Hitagi depicted as a giantess in the middle of the city in staple stable?

2.b. Does the many Hachikujis in Kaerimichi mean something else? I think it describes that Mayoi does not know that many people and depicts every single person as a version of herself.

2.c. The credits for ambivalent world is quite straightforward, actually. So let's skip that one.

2.d. Same goes for Ren'ai Circulation. Skip.

2.e. Tsubasa's sugar sweet nightmare is probably the most intriguing of all the credits. What does the pyramid symbolize? (Does it represent the Araragi-Tsubasa-Hitagi-Shinobu relationship?) What does the different countries mean? Are they just random countries? And finally, what do the routes written on Tsubasa's body mean?

applejuice · 2011-11-29, 09:14

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Originally Posted by Marcus H.

So here it goes:
1. Is it possible that Hitagi's mother is a member of the Aum Shinrikyo? (Speculative question only.)

No idea.

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2. What does each of the five opening credits of Bakemonogatari tell us regarding the featured character?

Hitagi OP: Staplers... That's it
Mayoi OP: Infinite Mayoi Works by Itagaki Shin.
Suruga OP: Yuri everywhere
Nadeko OP: KAMI-SAMA ARAGATO
Tsubasa OP: RAEP

In other words, its just Shaft being Shaft.

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2.a. Why is Hitagi depicted as a giantess in the middle of the city in staple stable?

No reason.

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2.b. Does the many Hachikujis in Kaerimichi mean something else? I think it describes that Mayoi does not know that many people and depicts every single person as a version of herself.

Nope. It means nothing.

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2.e. Tsubasa's sugar sweet nightmare is probably the most intriguing of all the credits. What does the pyramid symbolize? (Does it represent the Araragi-Tsubasa-Hitagi-Shinobu relationship?) What does the different countries mean? Are they just random countries? And finally, what do the routes written on Tsubasa's body mean?

I call it shaft being shaft. When you are watching Shaft animation, you must not take everything seriously.

Marcus H. · 2011-11-29, 09:38

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I call it shaft being shaft. When you are watching Shaft animation, you must not take everything seriously.

But after seeing the dozens of references in Puella Magi Madoka Magica compiled by the people from the PMMM Wiki, I have to doubt that.

Shikijin · 2011-11-29, 10:11

These OPs reflect more what Shaft thought about the books that what Nisio actually put in the books.

About why Hitagi is a giant in the first OP, it's because of a pun with omoi (thoughts/heavy). As Hitagi's foot drops, "omoi" is the word said by the singer. In the lyrics it means "thoughts", but video-wise it means "heavy".

As for OP5, the pyramids were cat ears, you can see it better in the first broadcasted version of the OP. Countries? Do you mean the real world backgrounds? I thought that was just Shaft's city. The routes are possibly train routes, anyway it doesn't matter.

Dextro · 2011-11-29, 11:09

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Originally Posted by Shikijin

These OPs reflect more what Shaft thought about the books that what Nisio actually put in the books.

About why Hitagi is a giant in the first OP, it's because of a pun with omoi (thoughts/heavy). As Hitagi's foot drops, "omoi" is the word said by the singer. In the lyrics it means "thoughts", but video-wise it means "heavy".

As for OP5, the pyramids were cat ears, you can see it better in the first broadcasted version of the OP. Countries? Do you mean the real world backgrounds? I thought that was just Shaft's city. The routes are possibly train routes, anyway it doesn't matter.

If I remember this right, the final version of the Tsubasa Cat OP had names of countries flashed on the screen in true Shaft style (I remember this since mine was in the list and it isn't that usual to see it

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Shikijin · 2011-11-29, 11:18

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Originally Posted by Dextro

If I remember this right, the final version of the Tsubasa Cat OP had names of countries flashed on the screen in true Shaft style (I remember this since mine was in the list and it isn't that usual to see it

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Well, Hanekawa wanted to do a world-wide trip once she graduated.

applejuice · 2011-11-29, 18:54

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Originally Posted by Marcus H.

But after seeing the dozens of references in Puella Magi Madoka Magica compiled by the people from the PMMM Wiki, I have to doubt that.

Except most of faust reference, most of the foreshadowing stuffs were done by Inukare world, not shaft.

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Originally Posted by Shikijin

About why Hitagi is a giant in the first OP, it's because of a pun with omoi (thoughts/heavy). As Hitagi's foot drops, "omoi" is the word said by the singer. In the lyrics it means "thoughts", but video-wise it means "heavy".

Actually, this makes so much sense. Omoi~~~~~ (*big foot)

Marcus H. · 2011-11-29, 19:37

How about Tsubasa being naked most of the time in sugar sweet nightmare?
Does this represent

Spoiler for welp:

Xenosnake · 2011-11-30, 00:41

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Originally Posted by Marcus H.

How about Tsubasa being naked most of the time in sugar sweet nightmare?
Does this represent

Spoiler for welp:

Naw, sex just sells.

Shikijin · 2011-11-30, 03:33

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Originally Posted by Marcus H.

How about Tsubasa being naked most of the time in sugar sweet nightmare?
Does this represent

Spoiler for welp:

That's what Shaft made it seem, either the father or the cat, but the truth is simply that at the time not much background about Hanekawa was known. When Nekomonogatari Kuro came out, things turned out to be different from what it was imagined. Shaft should have played it safer.

Marcus H. · 2011-11-30, 03:41

These discoveries are somewhat disappointing, actually. :P
I expected the anime series to be more playful on ideas.

Shikijin · 2011-11-30, 05:05

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Originally Posted by Marcus H.

These discoveries are somewhat disappointing, actually. :P
I expected the anime series to be more playful on ideas.

The anime did a good job, but there is a limit on how much liberties Shaft can take, or else the viewer will be puzzled when he sees the adaptation of the sequels.

Romanticide · 2011-11-30, 19:59

Spoiler for Nise and Shinobu:

zato_1one · 2011-12-01, 05:32

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Originally Posted by Romanticide

Spoiler for Nise and Shinobu:

At least, we will finally know who her seiyuu is.

HasuMasu · 2011-12-02, 02:50

No we don't, who is it then?

Marcus H. · 2011-12-02, 03:00

^ Aya Hirano. At least according to the Drama CD.

zato_1one · 2011-12-02, 03:13

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Originally Posted by Marcus H.

^ Aya Hirano. At least according to the Drama CD.

It's not confirmed if she is still Shinobu's seiyuu in Nise and Kizu.

Marcus H. · 2011-12-02, 03:52

We can only speculate for now if she would get shafted (lol) or not.

Justice Knight · 2012-01-14, 22:20

can any1 teach me how to watch this series?? I have tried watching Bake/Nise once and dropped it and watch again after the series ended and it still turns me off.I dont really understand their talking at all and the story line.

HasuMasu · 2012-01-14, 22:49

If you're not into manzai then I guess it's somewhat of a lost cause.

2011-11-29, 05:32	Link #261
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	Hey guys, I'm just in the middle of rewatching Bakemonogatari, and I discovered that I haven't scoured the series of its numerous references and stuff that "normal" people would overlook. To those who can answer these questions, I'd appreciate your knowledge. So here it goes: 1. Is it possible that Hitagi's mother is a member of the Aum Shinrikyo? (Speculative question only.) 2. What does each of the five opening credits of Bakemonogatari tell us regarding the featured character? 2.a. Why is Hitagi depicted as a giantess in the middle of the city in staple stable? 2.b. Does the many Hachikujis in Kaerimichi mean something else? I think it describes that Mayoi does not know that many people and depicts every single person as a version of herself. 2.c. The credits for ambivalent world is quite straightforward, actually. So let's skip that one. 2.d. Same goes for Ren'ai Circulation. Skip. 2.e. Tsubasa's sugar sweet nightmare is probably the most intriguing of all the credits. What does the pyramid symbolize? (Does it represent the Araragi-Tsubasa-Hitagi-Shinobu relationship?) What does the different countries mean? Are they just random countries? And finally, what do the routes written on Tsubasa's body mean? __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

2011-11-29, 19:37	Link #268
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	How about Tsubasa being naked most of the time in sugar sweet nightmare? Does this represent Spoiler for welp: her as a victim of sexual harrassment by her father (according to what I heard)? __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

2011-11-30, 03:41	Link #271
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	These discoveries are somewhat disappointing, actually. :P I expected the anime series to be more playful on ideas. __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

2011-11-30, 19:59	Link #273
Romanticide Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011	Spoiler for Nise and Shinobu: Since Shinobu speaks in Nise, do you think the parts about her will be before or after Kizu is in cinemas?

2011-12-02, 02:50	Link #275
HasuMasu Senior Member Artist Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: The Middle Way	No we don't, who is it then? __________________

2011-11-29, 10:11	Link #264
Shikijin Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010	These OPs reflect more what Shaft thought about the books that what Nisio actually put in the books. About why Hitagi is a giant in the first OP, it's because of a pun with omoi (thoughts/heavy). As Hitagi's foot drops, "omoi" is the word said by the singer. In the lyrics it means "thoughts", but video-wise it means "heavy". As for OP5, the pyramids were cat ears, you can see it better in the first broadcasted version of the OP. Countries? Do you mean the real world backgrounds? I thought that was just Shaft's city. The routes are possibly train routes, anyway it doesn't matter.

2011-12-02, 03:00	Link #276
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	^ Aya Hirano. At least according to the Drama CD. __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

2011-12-02, 03:52	Link #278
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	We can only speculate for now if she would get shafted (lol) or not. __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

2012-01-14, 22:20	Link #279
Justice Knight Haro Pwned U!!!! Join Date: Dec 2005	can any1 teach me how to watch this series?? I have tried watching Bake/Nise once and dropped it and watch again after the series ended and it still turns me off.I dont really understand their talking at all and the story line. __________________

2012-01-14, 22:49	Link #280
HasuMasu Senior Member Artist Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: The Middle Way	If you're not into manzai then I guess it's somewhat of a lost cause. __________________