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babbito2k · 2004-03-06, 04:15

I can't believe I got a chance to see this. ILA has been releasing some neat stuff, and I've been watching as much of it as possible. But this tops them all.

Devilman is Nagai Gou's self-proclaimed "life's work." The manga was so popular that this adaptation went into production almost before the pages were dry. Regardless of the mindboggling violence and sleaziness of his oeuvre, there is a remarkable vitality to it. The urge to animate this haunting tale full of man's darkest urges and jokes about boys wetting themselves inspired the creators to overcome even the stone-age technology of 1972.

It is instructive to see how little really has changed since those far distant days. No matter how cosmic Devilman/Akira's powers are, he still has to skip breakfast if he wants to get to school on time. No matter how fearsome his fists, he is helpless before the fury of his cousin Miki. And of course no matter how many times he is clawed and gored by savaging griffons, Akira always shows up in the next scene with a nice fresh yellow T-shirt.

Far be it from me to recommend this show to anyone. I am not worthy...

a_nevels666 · 2004-03-06, 05:05

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Originally Posted by babbito2k

I can't believe I got a chance to see this. ILA has been releasing some neat stuff, and I've been watching as much of it as possible. But this tops them all.

Devilman is Nagai Gou's self-proclaimed "life's work." The manga was so popular that this adaptation went into production almost before the pages were dry. Regardless of the mindboggling violence and sleaziness of his oeuvre, there is a remarkable vitality to it. The urge to animate this haunting tale full of man's darkest urges and jokes about boys wetting themselves inspired the creators to overcome even the stone-age technology of 1972.

It is instructive to see how little really has changed since those far distant days. No matter how cosmic Devilman/Akira's powers are, he still has to skip breakfast if he wants to get to school on time. No matter how fearsome his fists, he is helpless before the fury of his cousin Miki. And of course no matter how many times he is clawed and gored by savaging griffons, Akira always shows up in the next scene with a nice fresh yellow T-shirt.

Far be it from me to recommend this show to anyone. I am not worthy...

IMO the old TV series of Devilman isn't true to the manga at all.
Seems like they turned it into a dumb monster-of-the-week show.

The three OVAs are a lot more like the manga, and way better.

nero.anike · 2004-07-20, 00:37

i would like to know if anyone has any plans for subbing the devilman, or any of the other shows movies or ovas out there.

i wish someone would

jennwenn · 2004-07-20, 00:54

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Originally Posted by nero.anike

i would like to know if anyone has any plans for subbing the devilman, or any of the other shows movies or ovas out there.

i wish someone would

You mean Go Nagai's Devilman? Devilman OVA is licensed. Devilman TV is being subbed by ILA. Devilman Lady (or rather Devil Lady) is licensed by ADV and out on DVD.

I like the Devilman OVA the best.

babbito2k · 2004-07-20, 00:57

Nice to see a bit more interest in this show. This is yet another show which people either know they need to see or they don't know they need to see it and there's no telling 'em.

nero.anike · 2004-07-20, 03:14

there was a new ova of devilman made(Amon: The Apocalypse of Devilman), this new live action movie http://www.devilmanthemovie.jp/ and only the first 2 of the ovas or here. and you know how hard it is to find Violence Jack ?

Hokuto · 2004-07-20, 04:16

I'm very happy to see Devilman TV being fansubbed. Nothing brings a warm, fuzzy feeling to my heart like watching a ludicrously powerful green devil screaming "DEVIL CHOP!" as he karate chops a giant monster elephant. Watching old Go Nagai shows brings me a swelling of childish glee that so few things can match nowadays.

Corrections: The manga version of Devilman came after the anime production was already well underway, and ended up gradually straying further away from how things were planned out to go in the anime. This is surprisingly frequent, I've discovered of late - Many times, manga versions of stories are started after the story flow for the anime version of something is already established, and they move independently of one another.

There were only two OVAs produced, then much later on, the Amon movie, and now the live action flick. I must admit, I'm really looking forward to the live action version, though this is mostly because Akira and Ryo's actors are brothers who happen to look really really good.

ZeroKun · 2004-07-20, 05:19

The people at Metrocon had a hoot with Devilman 1-4, it must have been shown atleast 3-4 times that weekend.

sukreih · 2006-11-27, 08:29

okay,I know the OVA is licensed(the OVA is much better than AMON or Mazinger vs Devilman..not to mention the Live Action..UGH!),and the one I saw was this horrible version of censored,English-dubbed(and they weren't good either) Devilman DVD. Anyone know if other versions are released? Devilman OVA DVD seems really rare these days..

Guido · 2011-05-06, 23:06

It just so happens that from last Sunday until today I took on the venture at watching the full Devilman Lady TV anime, something I managed to conclude in only six days.

I immediately took interest in watching the anime right after reading the first three volumes of Devilman manga. Then, I took it upon myself to research the Devilman franchise and found out about Devilman Lady as well. However, the title didn't ring any brand-new bells on me since over 10 years ago I found out about Devilman Lady and was keen to try it out. Unfortunately, I was limited back then by two things: 1) I was studying college at the time, and 2) at the time my connection was through telephone line. (A drag back on those good old days)

Anyways, thankfully, now at this particularly present moment of my life I was able to get my chance to watch Devilman Lady all full episodes.

So this is my review:

What can I say? While the animation is not the best and suffers serious faults, both the story development and the mythos were a truly unique and fantastic experiences.

Jun was first imposed and then forced to play the role of the relunctant anti-hero, a situation she never asked for or wanted in the first place. Her reactions were truly humane, emotional, and, at the end, tragic. I sincerely believed her descent into the mad hell she went through was handled in a very natural and spontaneous way.

Spoiler:

The other thing that surprised me was that the writers were able to allocate a handful pack of other recurrent characters that while some of them I don't believe did not contribute much to the development of the plot, save to drive Jun forward, others did deliver solid substance as how the plot was progressing.

Spoiler:

To me my most memorable secondary characters were:
1) Maeda (At first Asuka's secretary, but as the story progressed became Jun's very first and truthful ally): Maeda's character progressed significantly right after his very first appearance.
With the passing of the series he witnessed for himself that Jun stayed true to her human heart, and eventually began supecting and then spying on Asuka's true intentions when learning that the widespread media regarding the Devil Beasts was becoming intentional.
Although as the series turned tense and apocalyptic during the course of events at the second arc, he stayed faithful to Jun, and knowing he was falling for her. However, what made him a remarkable man and way above Yuasa was that Maeda did not make or try dissuading Jun astray from her path by proposing her any love-fairy tale fantasies about eloping together to somewhere else.

No, he was committed man and loyal to his principles. He stayed on the path watching Jun going through all that hell and suffering from the sidelines, while performing his own research on Asuka.
After finding out Asuka's shocking truth, he did not propose Jun to escape or going anyplace with her leaving everyone and everything behind right after disclosing to her what he found about the truth of the DBP syndrome, and Asuka's true motivations. He realized he was able to accept all of Jun for whom she truly was and loved her, but things with Asuka had to be taken care of first.
So, he stood his guard, like a true warrior, and went on his own to face Asuka on a solo mission to stop her even if that meant killing her. Unfortunately, he failed and died on the process receiving the most tragic death for a warrior like him to deserve- "oblivion", being lost and forgotten in the sands of time.

2) Takae. She was from the group of "Beast" girls whom befriended Kazumi at the late 10's episodes; this was at the second arc of the anime, around episodes 16 to 18.
She took the role of big sister after she and her friends witnessed Chika's massacre at cold-blood by those bastard soldiers.

I believe her role became more of the witness awaiting Jun's return for delivery and salvation to all the people like her, and the one who chose not let up hope after being inspired by Kazumis' words, and later witnessing for first time Devilman Lady protecting her and her friends, along with Kazumi.

Contrary to the Devilman series, Devilman Lady's theme revolved around the need for humanity to evolve and arising from the biological stagnation at which they felt pleasant during the present timeline of the series, infusing quasi-folklore involving God and Devil-alike symbologies and allegories taken from a pseudo-Christian context.

Spoiler:

The Devil-Beasts were not of the supernatural type, but mankind's inevitable stage towards an evolution. Unfortunately, there had to be a few fanatical, fundamentalistic, and militant assholes along the way that felt their eyes opened to a God's complex once revelling at their new progress through the miraculous evolution.

I'm referring to Satoru, the creepy boy with butterfly wings. He became from a little nuisance to a major bastard once the story had almost come to its climax. I truly hated him to be honest. His powers and wits were not only one-sided and ridiculously haxx, but his narrowed belief that his and his cohorts path to evolution was meant to be the only one and, thus, the correct one was utterly stupid.
That little idiot spouting to Jun all the time that mankind had no other choice but to evolve the way he did or becoming food for the beasts. Satoru was no different from the humans he recently evolved from, because there was still a lingering traced of the former humanity within him and that was the human condition.

To me the human condition translates that a human murders another human out of making him or her an example to be exposed before the eyes of his or her fellow brethen. For what motive? For that person to prove that he or she is either correct and the rest of the world is wrong, or his/her way of thinking is flawless and, therefore, everybody else must stick to it.
In summary, that two people attempt to impose themselves over the other one even if they have to resort at killing each other.

Satoru, at the end, proved no different, including his methods. Furthermore, what truly purged me about his characters were the writers' attempts at trying to depict him with a faint degree of mercy for what he had done in order to inspire a speck of sympathy from the viewer.
I really hate when they do that to villains. It's okay to do that when sparse but meaningful hints about the villain are thrown scarcely through the course of events before the time of the climax comes. However, throwing a bunch of emotional stuff within the villain right after his or her climax has come I feel it a cheat to the viewer.

In no way, I felt empathy or sympathy for Satoru. He was just a false prophet, another fundamental militant trying to impose his view of evolution not only to unevolved humans but to his other brethren, who chose evolving in peaceful and gentler ways, which came in direct conflict with his views.

Now, I come with the big slice of the pie: Asuka.

Spoiler:

I have to admit that while the bittersweet ending finishes in a happy note...

Spoiler for If you do not want to know the ending, then don't click:

I truly felt sorry for Jun at the end. She did not deserve that ending, but it really made her and this show a very remarkable and memorable to me.

2004-03-06, 04:15	Link #1
babbito2k annoying white bat Join Date: Jan 2004	Devilman I can't believe I got a chance to see this. ILA has been releasing some neat stuff, and I've been watching as much of it as possible. But this tops them all. Devilman is Nagai Gou's self-proclaimed "life's work." The manga was so popular that this adaptation went into production almost before the pages were dry. Regardless of the mindboggling violence and sleaziness of his oeuvre, there is a remarkable vitality to it. The urge to animate this haunting tale full of man's darkest urges and jokes about boys wetting themselves inspired the creators to overcome even the stone-age technology of 1972. It is instructive to see how little really has changed since those far distant days. No matter how cosmic Devilman/Akira's powers are, he still has to skip breakfast if he wants to get to school on time. No matter how fearsome his fists, he is helpless before the fury of his cousin Miki. And of course no matter how many times he is clawed and gored by savaging griffons, Akira always shows up in the next scene with a nice fresh yellow T-shirt. Far be it from me to recommend this show to anyone. I am not worthy...

2004-07-20, 00:37	Link #3
nero.anike Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: earth?	devilman i would like to know if anyone has any plans for subbing the devilman, or any of the other shows movies or ovas out there. i wish someone would Last edited by xris; 2004-07-20 at 02:26. Reason: Please check the "Series Discussion Index" sticky before creating a new thread. Now merged.

2004-07-20, 00:57	Link #5
babbito2k annoying white bat Join Date: Jan 2004	Nice to see a bit more interest in this show. This is yet another show which people either know they need to see or they don't know they need to see it and there's no telling 'em. Last edited by babbito2k; 2004-07-20 at 21:38.

2011-05-06, 23:06	Link #10
Guido Snobby Gentleman Join Date: May 2004 Location: Monterrey, México Age: 43	Devilman Lady TV series. Thoughts It just so happens that from last Sunday until today I took on the venture at watching the full Devilman Lady TV anime, something I managed to conclude in only six days. I immediately took interest in watching the anime right after reading the first three volumes of Devilman manga. Then, I took it upon myself to research the Devilman franchise and found out about Devilman Lady as well. However, the title didn't ring any brand-new bells on me since over 10 years ago I found out about Devilman Lady and was keen to try it out. Unfortunately, I was limited back then by two things: 1) I was studying college at the time, and 2) at the time my connection was through telephone line. (A drag back on those good old days) Anyways, thankfully, now at this particularly present moment of my life I was able to get my chance to watch Devilman Lady all full episodes. So this is my review: What can I say? While the animation is not the best and suffers serious faults, both the story development and the mythos were a truly unique and fantastic experiences. Jun was first imposed and then forced to play the role of the relunctant anti-hero, a situation she never asked for or wanted in the first place. Her reactions were truly humane, emotional, and, at the end, tragic. I sincerely believed her descent into the mad hell she went through was handled in a very natural and spontaneous way. Spoiler: She lost her mundane life and had to cut relationship from the rest of the world, including Kazumi as well. Although, I believe that latter aspect was Jun's inherent fault due to the fact that likely she hated herself. In fact, I'm positive sure that's what she meant at the final episode right after the aftermath of the conclusion against Asuka. Both she and Asuka were opposites but in the inside felt the same way: they couldn't love themselves and ended cutting ties not from the world but from their own and personal "worlds". The only difference was that Asuka did not regret at doing so even after the end, while Jun at the very end (or at least when Kazumi's spirit spoke to her) realized for the first time ever that things and those who were meaningful all the time to her but felt remorseful for not having confessed her feelings in time. The other thing that surprised me was that the writers were able to allocate a handful pack of other recurrent characters that while some of them I don't believe did not contribute much to the development of the plot, save to drive Jun forward, others did deliver solid substance as how the plot was progressing. Spoiler: To me my most memorable secondary characters were: 1) Maeda (At first Asuka's secretary, but as the story progressed became Jun's very first and truthful ally): Maeda's character progressed significantly right after his very first appearance. With the passing of the series he witnessed for himself that Jun stayed true to her human heart, and eventually began supecting and then spying on Asuka's true intentions when learning that the widespread media regarding the Devil Beasts was becoming intentional. Although as the series turned tense and apocalyptic during the course of events at the second arc, he stayed faithful to Jun, and knowing he was falling for her. However, what made him a remarkable man and way above Yuasa was that Maeda did not make or try dissuading Jun astray from her path by proposing her any love-fairy tale fantasies about eloping together to somewhere else. No, he was committed man and loyal to his principles. He stayed on the path watching Jun going through all that hell and suffering from the sidelines, while performing his own research on Asuka. After finding out Asuka's shocking truth, he did not propose Jun to escape or going anyplace with her leaving everyone and everything behind right after disclosing to her what he found about the truth of the DBP syndrome, and Asuka's true motivations. He realized he was able to accept all of Jun for whom she truly was and loved her, but things with Asuka had to be taken care of first. So, he stood his guard, like a true warrior, and went on his own to face Asuka on a solo mission to stop her even if that meant killing her. Unfortunately, he failed and died on the process receiving the most tragic death for a warrior like him to deserve- "oblivion", being lost and forgotten in the sands of time. 2) Takae. She was from the group of "Beast" girls whom befriended Kazumi at the late 10's episodes; this was at the second arc of the anime, around episodes 16 to 18. She took the role of big sister after she and her friends witnessed Chika's massacre at cold-blood by those bastard soldiers. I believe her role became more of the witness awaiting Jun's return for delivery and salvation to all the people like her, and the one who chose not let up hope after being inspired by Kazumis' words, and later witnessing for first time Devilman Lady protecting her and her friends, along with Kazumi. Contrary to the Devilman series, Devilman Lady's theme revolved around the need for humanity to evolve and arising from the biological stagnation at which they felt pleasant during the present timeline of the series, infusing quasi-folklore involving God and Devil-alike symbologies and allegories taken from a pseudo-Christian context. Spoiler: The Devil-Beasts were not of the supernatural type, but mankind's inevitable stage towards an evolution. Unfortunately, there had to be a few fanatical, fundamentalistic, and militant assholes along the way that felt their eyes opened to a God's complex once revelling at their new progress through the miraculous evolution. I'm referring to Satoru, the creepy boy with butterfly wings. He became from a little nuisance to a major bastard once the story had almost come to its climax. I truly hated him to be honest. His powers and wits were not only one-sided and ridiculously haxx, but his narrowed belief that his and his cohorts path to evolution was meant to be the only one and, thus, the correct one was utterly stupid. That little idiot spouting to Jun all the time that mankind had no other choice but to evolve the way he did or becoming food for the beasts. Satoru was no different from the humans he recently evolved from, because there was still a lingering traced of the former humanity within him and that was the human condition. To me the human condition translates that a human murders another human out of making him or her an example to be exposed before the eyes of his or her fellow brethen. For what motive? For that person to prove that he or she is either correct and the rest of the world is wrong, or his/her way of thinking is flawless and, therefore, everybody else must stick to it. In summary, that two people attempt to impose themselves over the other one even if they have to resort at killing each other. Satoru, at the end, proved no different, including his methods. Furthermore, what truly purged me about his characters were the writers' attempts at trying to depict him with a faint degree of mercy for what he had done in order to inspire a speck of sympathy from the viewer. I really hate when they do that to villains. It's okay to do that when sparse but meaningful hints about the villain are thrown scarcely through the course of events before the time of the climax comes. However, throwing a bunch of emotional stuff within the villain right after his or her climax has come I feel it a cheat to the viewer. In no way, I felt empathy or sympathy for Satoru. He was just a false prophet, another fundamental militant trying to impose his view of evolution not only to unevolved humans but to his other brethren, who chose evolving in peaceful and gentler ways, which came in direct conflict with his views. Now, I come with the big slice of the pie: Asuka. Spoiler: If I pieced all the clues correctly after having watched the full series only once was that Asuka actually forced the "Devil Beast Progress" evolution singularity for the solely goal of making the whole of humanity, or at least the evolved humanity into the sacrificial lamb. And, if I make sense of what she attempted and did to Jun (which was a very disturbing if not traumatic experience for me to watch) was transforming her against her will into a sort of "Anti-Christ" figure by pitting Jun to fight against the volatile Devil-Beasts, and then it all culminates in madness when Asuka reveals literally the true nature of her birth and proceeds to rape Jun. At doing so, Asuka cast her flawed human body and flawed self to evolve into high-level Angel of God, or so she called her own evolution that way. That's what I took after watching the entire series just once. I have to admit that while the bittersweet ending finishes in a happy note... Spoiler for If you do not want to know the ending, then don't click: After Jun frees the world from Asuka's personal, if not perverted, apocalyptic scenario, at the end, it became a tragic ending for Jun herself. She lost everything and everyone that made her world and were dear to her. The very final scene of the last episode before it concludes it's left ambiguous: Jun reappears in her human self at Tokyo, watching first a school girl and moments later two kindergarten girls with tails running happily afterwards, but the look on her face as she watches feels and is full of either worry or sadness. After that, she walks into the crowd and literally vanishes before the viewer's eyes. Did she became a wanderer figure sort like John from the Book of Revelations, that can no longer interfere but being just a plain witness to the new world borned after Asuka's defeat? Or did she became a spirit that no longer belongs or has any place to go into that new world but is doomed to roam that world forever without ever again having a moment of peace or someone to love? I truly felt sorry for Jun at the end. She did not deserve that ending, but it really made her and this show a very remarkable and memorable to me.

2004-07-20, 03:14	Link #6
nero.anike Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: earth?	there was a new ova of devilman made(Amon: The Apocalypse of Devilman), this new live action movie http://www.devilmanthemovie.jp/ and only the first 2 of the ovas or here. and you know how hard it is to find Violence Jack ?

2004-07-20, 04:16	Link #7
Hokuto Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Age: 43	I'm very happy to see Devilman TV being fansubbed. Nothing brings a warm, fuzzy feeling to my heart like watching a ludicrously powerful green devil screaming "DEVIL CHOP!" as he karate chops a giant monster elephant. Watching old Go Nagai shows brings me a swelling of childish glee that so few things can match nowadays. Corrections: The manga version of Devilman came after the anime production was already well underway, and ended up gradually straying further away from how things were planned out to go in the anime. This is surprisingly frequent, I've discovered of late - Many times, manga versions of stories are started after the story flow for the anime version of something is already established, and they move independently of one another. There were only two OVAs produced, then much later on, the Amon movie, and now the live action flick. I must admit, I'm really looking forward to the live action version, though this is mostly because Akira and Ryo's actors are brothers who happen to look really really good. Let me offer some info I translated from Go Nagai's own personal notes about Devilman, as my own contribution to the thread. It explains a lot about how Devilman initially got off the ground, from its roots in the Maou Dante manga's cancellation, to something designed to be an anime (yes, the anime came first), to the later manga that revolutionized Go Nagai's career. http://www.dra-mata.com/manga/nagai/gn-devilman01.jpg http://www.dra-mata.com/manga/nagai/gn-devilman02.jpg http://www.dra-mata.com/manga/nagai/gn-devilman03.jpg http://www.dra-mata.com/manga/nagai/gn-devilman04.jpg http://www.dra-mata.com/manga/nagai/gn-devilman05.jpg http://www.dra-mata.com/manga/nagai/gn-devilman06.jpg http://www.dra-mata.com/manga/nagai/gn-devilman07.jpg http://www.dra-mata.com/manga/nagai/gn-devilman08.jpg http://www.dra-mata.com/manga/nagai/gn-devilman09.jpg http://www.dra-mata.com/manga/nagai/gn-devilman10.jpg http://www.dra-mata.com/manga/nagai/gn-devilman11.jpg http://www.dra-mata.com/manga/nagai/gn-devilman12.jpg

2004-07-20, 05:19	Link #8
ZeroKun Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003	The people at Metrocon had a hoot with Devilman 1-4, it must have been shown atleast 3-4 times that weekend.

2006-11-27, 08:29	Link #9
sukreih okusenman!okusenman! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Oh Canada	okay,I know the OVA is licensed(the OVA is much better than AMON or Mazinger vs Devilman..not to mention the Live Action..UGH!),and the one I saw was this horrible version of censored,English-dubbed(and they weren't good either) Devilman DVD. Anyone know if other versions are released? Devilman OVA DVD seems really rare these days..