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npal · 2006-03-23, 00:47

Hey, Hiroyuki from To Heart was one of the few decent fellows in harem -likeanime, with a distinct personality and To Heart and To Heart RMM was more of a love story than a harem anime.

There's just one thing I feel bad about in Canvas (other than that, it was a very nice series). Poor Elis

Vexx · 2006-03-23, 01:02

Aye, I'll agree that Elise is the one that gets tagged with the cold wind from Valhalla - even though she is transitioning to somewhere that might be very exciting. And I worry about Tomoko being there to meet her next Christmas... ... ...

MonkeyBrains · 2006-03-23, 06:15

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Originally Posted by npal

Hey, Hiroyuki from To Heart was one of the few decent fellows in harem -likeanime, with a distinct personality and To Heart and To Heart RMM was more of a love story than a harem anime.

There's just one thing I feel bad about in Canvas (other than that, it was a very nice series). Poor Elis

I should've qualified my comment, I was thinking more of To Heart 2. I thought To Heart: RMM added a level of characterization that wasn't quite there for Hiroyuki in the original. But, so far, To Heart 2 definitely feels like the male protagonist is just drifting along, having stories told around him. Maybe To Heart 2 changes later, but I find To Heart 2 so incredibly boring, I'm not sure I'll keep watching any subs of it.

As for poor Elis, well, in these types of shows, there's always someone that loses who attracts the viewers sympathy. At least Elis is making out better than most, since she was never lead on otherwise, and she's able to move on, which most do not appear to do in these types of shows. Of course, the series isn't over completely, so who knows whether anything else will change...

npal · 2006-03-23, 06:47

Well, I like To Heart 2, although I admit, up to ep 7, which I've watched, the male lead is not at Hiroyuki's level, but he hasn't messed up anything yet and is not us deprived of personality as Rin of Shuffle.

Eh well, not much can change in the last episode. If there had to be a change, it should have occured on ep 21-22. Since that didn't happen, Poor Elis is gonna remain Poor Elis... snif snif

Not that Hiroki is much of a prize...

Hmm... Deja vu...

Vexx · 2006-03-23, 10:12

Sometimes its amusing that we root for our favorite girls to win a prize most of us consider lame or damaged.... makes you wonder about the psyche of the writers or what they think of their viewing audience. I keep assuming that most otaku mean well but are just incapacitated around real women (neurotically shy) rather than being actual jerks or asses.
Oddly, the male buddy of the lead in Kashimashi seems actually rather normal to me (though I've only seen two eps so far).

Furudanuki · 2006-03-25, 17:59

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Originally Posted by Kaoru Chujo

　I don't even like Nanoha, but Haginoha I would watch: transforming with the help of Raging Pen.

Sorry, but I simply could not resist this....

Spoiler for Canvas 3 - Haginoha!:

dan88 · 2006-03-25, 20:17

I though that Hagino's confession (ep20) was brilliant but it really brought home how sick I was of Kiri and Elise and the series in general.

Was initially enjoying the series but now it is just a slog to the end,
It will be filed and forgotten.

MonkeyBrains · 2006-03-25, 22:04

Sometimes I wonder if anyone is truly happy with any series these days.

Is this part of what Republicans would call a culture of negativity?

Heh heh heh

I'm looking forward to hating this series too. One more episode to go!

On a different note, apparently on Friday they released a Canvas 2 TV Soundtrack, with the background music to the TV show...
http://www.broccoli.co.jp/canvas2_cd/index.html

If I had known, I would have pre-ordered it somewhere, but it seemed to have been added to the site the day it came out. Now I'll have to hunt for it. I'm guessing Tracks 30 and 31 are my favorites from the series, from their titles and the situations in the series. But I won't know till I hear it. And I wants to hear it...

Sailor Enlil · 2006-03-26, 02:34

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Originally Posted by MonkeyBrains

Sometimes I wonder if anyone is truly happy with any series these days. ...

For Canvas2, I sure am.

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Originally Posted by MonkeyBrains

Is this part of what Republicans would call a culture of negativity?

Heh heh heh

I'm looking forward to hating this series too. One more episode to go!

Perhaps it's a case of setting too high an expectation. I'm the type who "takes it as it is" hence I don't get frustrated (I sure never did with Shuffle! and DCSS by the way). What drew me most to Canvas2 was its REALISM (i.e. complete absense of Maho Shoujo/Mecha/Sentai/Sci-Fi etc, not to mention the realistic personalities of the characters, and for instance not following the clicheic style of most Harem series). Those unhappy with series like Canvas2 will likely be just as unhappy with say Lamune, Boys Be, or To Heart 2, and will probably be better off sticking with stuff like Love Hina.

npal · 2006-03-26, 04:46

Well I didn't say I don't like Canvas 2, the only thing I was disappointed about was my favorite girl not getting the so-called prize. In contrast to Shuffle, Hiroki's choice actually made sense, and Kiri made sense, too. Overall it was ok.

***relentlessflame*** · 2006-03-26, 12:42

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Originally Posted by Sailor Enlil

Perhaps it's a case of setting too high an expectation. I'm the type who "takes it as it is" hence I don't get frustrated (I sure never did with Shuffle! and DCSS by the way). What drew me most to Canvas2 was its REALISM (i.e. complete absense of Maho Shoujo/Mecha/Sentai/Sci-Fi etc, not to mention the realistic personalities of the characters, and for instance not following the clicheic style of most Harem series). Those unhappy with series like Canvas2 will likely be just as unhappy with say Lamune, Boys Be, or To Heart 2, and will probably be better off sticking with stuff like Love Hina.

QFT may be a bad forum cliche, but I just wanted to say that I couldn't agree with you more. I have to admit that I'm very rarely disappointed with shows in this genre; on the one hand, you could say that makes me easy to please, but on the other hand, there are an awful lot of anime in other genres that just don't interest me in the slightest (I'd say I watch maybe only 3-5 shows any given season, if that). I definitely think that casting your expectations aside and just letting yourself be enthralled/carried away by the characters and story plays a very large part in that. Turn off your "inner critic" for just a little while.

If you start taking a show for what it is and not what you want out of it, it's so much more enjoyable (at least in my opinion). The amount of bitterness/anger/spite you see in some people about these sorts of shows (well, really, any show, I suppose) makes you wonder what they're hoping to "get out of it" in the first place. Anime should be fun; if it stressed me out, I'd stop watching.

As for Canvas 2, what I liked about it most were the fun character designs and personalities, who were really brought to life by some decent planning and writing. All the little situations they go through, even the ones that aren't part of the main plot... it's just enjoyable to me. People who expect action-driven plot in character-driven shows, and so forth... it's like not taking the time to smell the roses. Enjoy the journey, I say, and let yourself be carried away; then maybe you'll agree that the worst part of these shows is having to say goodbye...

Village Idiot · 2006-03-26, 12:52

Final Episode has aired;

http://dat.2chan.net/18/res/2515749.htm *scroll down*

Spoiler for Hiroki finally kisses someone:

Spoiler for ORO?!:

***relentlessflame*** · 2006-03-26, 13:28

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Originally Posted by Village Idiot

Spoiler for Hiroki finally kisses someone:

Spoiler:

npal · 2006-03-26, 13:33

Eh... Well... That's a nice edit

Mentar · 2006-03-26, 13:37

Actually, this is no edit.

zOMG. I didn't expect that at all. Not sure if I like it. First reaction is no.

npal · 2006-03-26, 13:39

Spoiler:

Hope not many were spoiler. Sorry!

Omniscient · 2006-03-26, 15:17

Final Episode Screencaps and Summary (Major Spoilers!!)

Spoiler:

npal · 2006-03-26, 15:22

Spoiler:

Vexx · 2006-03-26, 15:47

I choose not to process these spoilers mentally til I see the episode .... but, um,

O.o

npal · 2006-03-26, 15:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vexx

I choose not to process these spoilers mentally til I see the episode .... but, um,

O.o

Spoiler:

Lunar are a bit slow... Oh well...

2006-03-23, 00:47	Link #461
npal I desire Tomorrow! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: As far away from reality as possible Age: 41	Hey, Hiroyuki from To Heart was one of the few decent fellows in harem -likeanime, with a distinct personality and To Heart and To Heart RMM was more of a love story than a harem anime. There's just one thing I feel bad about in Canvas (other than that, it was a very nice series). Poor Elis __________________

2006-03-23, 01:02	Link #462
Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	Aye, I'll agree that Elise is the one that gets tagged with the cold wind from Valhalla - even though she is transitioning to somewhere that might be very exciting. And I worry about Tomoko being there to meet her next Christmas... ... ... __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!

2006-03-23, 06:47	Link #464
npal I desire Tomorrow! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: As far away from reality as possible Age: 41	Well, I like To Heart 2, although I admit, up to ep 7, which I've watched, the male lead is not at Hiroyuki's level, but he hasn't messed up anything yet and is not us deprived of personality as Rin of Shuffle. Eh well, not much can change in the last episode. If there had to be a change, it should have occured on ep 21-22. Since that didn't happen, Poor Elis is gonna remain Poor Elis... snif snif Not that Hiroki is much of a prize... Hmm... Deja vu... __________________

2006-03-23, 10:12	Link #465
Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	Sometimes its amusing that we root for our favorite girls to win a prize most of us consider lame or damaged.... makes you wonder about the psyche of the writers or what they think of their viewing audience. I keep assuming that most otaku mean well but are just incapacitated around real women (neurotically shy) rather than being actual jerks or asses. Oddly, the male buddy of the lead in Kashimashi seems actually rather normal to me (though I've only seen two eps so far). __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories! Last edited by Vexx; 2006-03-23 at 10:51.

2006-03-25, 22:04	Link #468
MonkeyBrains It's what's for dinner Join Date: Dec 2005	Sometimes I wonder if anyone is truly happy with any series these days. Is this part of what Republicans would call a culture of negativity? Heh heh heh I'm looking forward to hating this series too. One more episode to go! On a different note, apparently on Friday they released a Canvas 2 TV Soundtrack, with the background music to the TV show... http://www.broccoli.co.jp/canvas2_cd/index.html If I had known, I would have pre-ordered it somewhere, but it seemed to have been added to the site the day it came out. Now I'll have to hunt for it. I'm guessing Tracks 30 and 31 are my favorites from the series, from their titles and the situations in the series. But I won't know till I hear it. And I wants to hear it... Last edited by MonkeyBrains; 2006-03-25 at 23:34.

2006-03-25, 20:17	Link #467
dan88 Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NZ Age: 49	I though that Hagino's confession (ep20) was brilliant but it really brought home how sick I was of Kiri and Elise and the series in general. Was initially enjoying the series but now it is just a slog to the end, It will be filed and forgotten.

2006-03-26, 04:46	Link #470
npal I desire Tomorrow! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: As far away from reality as possible Age: 41	Well I didn't say I don't like Canvas 2, the only thing I was disappointed about was my favorite girl not getting the so-called prize. In contrast to Shuffle, Hiroki's choice actually made sense, and Kiri made sense, too. Overall it was ok. __________________

2006-03-26, 12:52	Link #472
Village Idiot Fate/ Stay Night Join Date: Jun 2003	Final Episode has aired; http://dat.2chan.net/18/res/2515749.htm scroll down Spoiler for Hiroki finally kisses someone: Spoiler for ORO?!: __________________ Sig removed by Mod (xris) because at 65,726 bytes it exceeds the limits as requested in the forum rules.

2006-03-26, 13:33	Link #474
npal I desire Tomorrow! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: As far away from reality as possible Age: 41	Eh... Well... That's a nice edit __________________

2006-03-26, 13:37	Link #475
Mentar Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Hamburg Age: 54	Actually, this is no edit. zOMG. I didn't expect that at all. Not sure if I like it. First reaction is no.

2006-03-26, 13:39	Link #476
npal I desire Tomorrow! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: As far away from reality as possible Age: 41	Spoiler: Damn, I'm not even sure I like it and I'm an Elis supporter They better have one hell of a good explanation for this But I don't want to be spoiled, I'm waiting for subs. Hope not many were spoiler. Sorry! __________________ Last edited by npal; 2006-03-26 at 15:20.

2006-03-26, 15:17	Link #477
Omniscient Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004	Final Episode Screencaps and Summary (Major Spoilers!!) Spoiler: Alright, the final episode COMPLETELY BLEW ME AWAY. Didn't see any of that coming at all. So Hiroki basically let Kiri go and ended up going with Elis. And there was the whole Tomoko dying thing that had me going wtf all the way to the very last shot in the credits. Right now I'm going through major shock at the 180 degree turn that they pulled. Maybe when I gather my senses some I'll be able to talk about the merits of the story... >.>

2006-03-26, 15:22	Link #478
npal I desire Tomorrow! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: As far away from reality as possible Age: 41	Spoiler: It's all VI's fault I was sure Hiroki was gonna kiss Kiri, so I just clicked without much thought. Damn! And I thought it was digitally edited... I hope they gave a pretty good explanation. __________________

2006-03-26, 15:47	Link #479
Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	I choose not to process these spoilers mentally til I see the episode .... but, um, O.o __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!