Umineko no Naku Koro ni - Episode 21 Discussion / Poll

[Klashikari]

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[Kazuki_Kun]

Talk about bad art. This episode is full of it!

[June 1983]

2ch link: http://dec.2chan.net/18/res/9578842.htm

They didn't get as far as I'd hoped, but this episode contains four of my favorite scenes in the VN:

- Maria being locked out (made me cry when I first read it, poor thing)
- crazy bitch Rosa
- uuu~
- Ange and the schoolgirls

[ameskitty]

Spoiler for ep:

+ Poor Ange and Maria...
+ Maria singing dawww
+ OMG Ooishi makes a cameo !
- Oh great, the QUALITY BOOBS are back (along with some craptastic animation)

8/10 I guess, not much to say XD.

[Auria]

Spoiler for random comments:

Has the shipname Hanyuu in it or am I misreading something? XD
Mr. Delicious' seiyuu has returned to be a policeman
Man I heard Ohara as a classmate this time x_x
Maria's uu now reminds me of cry of the seagulls

[luckyssol]

Ah, I didn't know the stakes had the ability to change their hair color.

Spoiler for Beelzebub:

[momobunny]

Originally Posted by Ssol

Ah, I didn't know the stakes had the ability to change their hair color.

Spoiler for Beelzebub:

Yeah it happened before too... oddly, it was a mix up with Leviathan then as well...

[Endless_Witch_Nipah]

Originally Posted by Ssol

Ah, I didn't know the stakes had the ability to change their hair color.

Spoiler for Beelzebub:

Oh DEEN...

*facepalm*

[Ttak]

While watching, stopped at this scene to post:

Spoiler for a certain policeman:

Oishi's appearance! He looks younger than the Higurashi's one, but it's clearly the same VA and character's look

Now, apart from some animation inconsistences, it was a good episode

Spoiler for 21:

Wtf with the QUALITY boobs?
Ange's denying scene was good, looks like they kept Mammon's line "...once you're prepared to dirt your own hands, then we will help you!"
(Again) I liked Oishi's appearance.
Rosa's Best Mom Ever moment got some tension and the death of Maria's friends was touching.
Uuuu~ (earlier, but I dont know, it was, somehow, placed in contrast of the other scene)

Well, it didn't end where I wanted (a little before that), so I hope we don't have serious pacing issues with the next episodes.

[ameskitty]

Originally Posted by Auria

Spoiler for random comments:

Has the shipname Hanyuu in it or am I misreading something? XD
Mr. Delicious' seiyuu has returned to be a policeman
Man I heard Ohara as a classmate this time x_x
Maria's uu now reminds me of cry of the seagulls

Spoiler for lol:

Yup, 'twas Hanyuu (almost forgot about that XD) In hiragana, at least.

[Workworkwork]

Spoiler for review:

10/10 for Ange's chest from that 2chan still

[chronotrig]

Spoiler for episode:

What the hell... Is it just me, or does Leviathan magically transform into Lucifer a second before she 'dies'...

Also, in the Sakutarou scene at the beginning, at least two of the sisters aren't even touching Sakutarou...that's some imagination Ange has... Plus it's Mammon again...

[Leinne]

Spoiler for review:

It was a good episode fitting to end the fisrt half of ep4 and puts an end to flashbacks, though I thought it would have end just before she entered into the ship
+Finally a good oportunity to hear the stakes a bit more, some didn't even talk that much the previous eps
+Liked the letter and denying scene, Mammon's phrase intact was a must
+Felt sad in the Sakutaro scene, maube because they placed Uuu meaning after it, I think it makes it a bit more dramatic but not forced. also liked Maria's descend to the ''darkness''
+Like the re-summoning, a bit fast but good
+Liked the new anime music, not because they aren't in the VN they have to be bad, Worldend and the like aren't that good for some scenes and I liked the anime ones
+Oishii and Hanyuu (enjoy it, they won't appear again)

-Quality here and there BOOBS

9/10. Would have been 8 but placing the Uuu there made it gain 1 point

[Aeriven]

Originally Posted by chronotrig

Spoiler for episode:

What the hell... Is it just me, or does Leviathan magically transform into Lucifer a second before she 'dies'...

Nope, I noticed that too. I thought I'd missed something at first...

Spoiler for Episode:

Going to wait on my score until the subs come out so I can understand what's being said better, but aside from the animation goof-ups, this was one of the most well-done episodes thus far. I was both looking forward to and dreading the scene with Sakutaro, and they got it right. Props, DEEN.

[Marion]

Quick question - am I the only one who thought the police man who called Rosa sounded a bit like Ooishi (except a lighter tone)?

[Kitsu]

EHm I think that was mentioned before ^^;; It was Oishi, hundert percent.

[Marion]

@Kitsu: But Ooishi is a retired detective, not a police cop XD Plus that cop looks way younger than Ooishi - I think it's just the seiyuu making a cameo, not the cop being Ooishi himself.

Review time:

Spoiler for New Seiyuu:

Kasumi - Well Kasumi finally got some speaking time. Although I love Atsuko Tanaka, Kasumi sounded a bit too much like Kyrie to me (only a slightly deeper tone).

Spoiler for Review:

General
Pacing - A good amount of time allotted for everything. I'm especially happy they didn't rush through Sakutaro's demise.
Music - Most of the music was kinda bland to me.
Voices - Rina Satou (Ange), Yui Horie (Maria) and Ami Koshizumi (Rosa) were the best for me. Minorin (Sakutaro) and Yusa Koji (Juuza) also did well, along with the purgatory VA's
Art-
Ange's bust in this scene is probably bigger than her mother's bust.
Although I can't tell who has the bigger bust - Ange or the Class Rep.
Did Leviathan suddenly become Lucifer?
Did Beelzebub suddenly become Leviathan?

But besides all those bad ones, there were also good ones - Maria was hnnngggtastic and Rosa was Best Mom Ever.

Pros:
-Sakutaro's death was paced great and they kept Hokkaido.
-They kept in the explanation of Uu- (well at least part of it)! Take that nonbelievers B)
-The entire scene with Ange denying all the sisters + sakutaro was done well
-Kasumi's rape face oh god ;_; although kyrie's yandere face is far more menacing
-Juuza's talk with Ange was also kept, albeit shortened
-Ange recalling her denial of Sakutaro on Rokkenjima was kept as well.
-oh god not the trumpettt ;_____; fffffffdammmitttt

Cons:
-Art quality went up and down this episode. It's like different people worked on different scenes and you could see that. I'm almost sure two different artists worked on the 'Ange denying the stakes' scene, because of the changing art quality.
-They might have confused viewers by putting Mammon talking to Ange about her hair pins last episode, with Ange recalling how she killed the stakes - Mammon talking to Ange about them happened BEFORE Ange denied the stakes, but it makes it look like it happened after.
-Although Maria's freaked out faces looked great, at times I think they tried to go in the L5 direction again.

Overall:
A wonderful episode, despite it's imperfections. 8/10. Would have been 9/10 but the lacking art kinda killed it for me.

[~Ayane~]

Next Episode: Problem Child

is "problem child" a name for chess move as well? lol xD

[Marion]

Originally Posted by ~Ayane~

is "problem child" a name for chess move as well? lol xD

Yes it is XD

[ameskitty]

Originally Posted by Marion

But Ooishi is a retired detective, not a police cop XD Plus that cop looks way younger than Ooishi - I think it's just the seiyuu making a cameo, not the cop being Ooishi himself.

Of course they're not exactly the same, but I think the appearances (particularly his eyes) are close enough that you could call the cop an outright Expy .