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View Poll Results: To Aru Kagaku no Railgun - Episode 10 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 13 | 17.81% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 26 | 35.62% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 17 | 23.29% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 10 | 13.70% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 4 | 5.48% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 2.74% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 1.37% | |
Voters: 73. You may not vote on this poll |
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2009-12-06, 22:16 | Link #81 |
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Okay episode. The ended was the best though, never expected it to be the stripper lady.
And everything they angst about feels so cheap. I know they are things we all learn about when we grow up, but I don't feel anything from it. Its probably just me.
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2009-12-06, 23:29 | Link #82 | ||||
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Yes in general being unique by iteslf doesn't make something more dangerousand. Out of context it indeed sounds absurd but this is not the case here. Quote:
Reasonable people attempt the unkown after they have a general idea of the risks involved and for pure scientific purposes under reasonable circumstances. From what you say a reasonable person would go "ahaa something I have no details about, it might be dangerous and is under investigation. Cool I'll use it to see what happens" That contradics with the meaning of the word reasonable in the first place. Quote:
I don't see how any of that incorporates anything Saten doesn't know. Hmm I think I said it clealy enough. I feel sympathy for her character in general as a human being that went through some hardships in life but I don't see, understan nor justfy her actions thus those actions don't make me feel more sympathy towards her character. Also I din't use sympathy two times to avoid confusion. Is it clear enough now? |
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2009-12-06, 23:57 | Link #83 | ||||
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Step 2. You say they are rumors, but solid information from Judgments. Step 3. I argue that while the little information she heard was from Judgments, what she did hear was conjecture that Shirai specifically says they are unsure about, and doesn't speak in specifics, thus not giving a reasonable person enough evidence that something horrendous would occur, therefore no criminal negligence. Step 4. You say I am using future info of comas, say regardless the outcome it is dangerous and not something a reasonable person would do. Step 5. I rephrase, saying coma or not, a reasonable person would not expect a consequence such as that to occur, therefore no criminal negligence. I am not skipping your arguments, but answering them, leaving mine standing. If it seems as though I'm being picky on when you can use outside knowledge, I am. There are two parts of criminal negligence. Does what the reasonable person knows (no future knowledge) lead to expecting the outcome (using future knowledge). Quote:
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after that we had point six when I said a reasonable person is very likely to expect the LU to potentionally be dangerous to one's health and we ended up here. Either way I didn't call it criminal negligence, I just gave this as an example. I think using this is going a bit far but the more we discuss it the more the idea seem closer. Quote:
Either way I can't see how tampering with someone's brain in an unkonw way can be considered safe thus expecting something like a coma (which might as well have been a completely different thing connected to the brain and the processes in the human body) isn't at all far fetched. I think the problem here is our definiton of reasonable because for me a reasonable perosn takes all the pros and cons into accout, thinks carefully about them using the things he knows and tries to think of any other cons that might show up. After that he does what he thinks is right. And for me Saten failed to this since for her (and by going from what you said you as well) doing something to a person's brain to give them powers in an uknown way isn't a danger to your health at all and I have a hard time agreeing with this Quote:
Even if you argue that it's too harsh it wouldn't change the facts that she needs to take responsibility for her actions. If she actually thought about what she was really doing in a reasonble way she would have had a similar conversation with Uiharu before she used the LU. Quote:
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Agian her situation wasn't really that bad mostly because of the people that surrounded her. If this wasn't the case being in AC for so many years would have left Saten depressed lonely and that would have turned her into somone that just lives on without a goal in life. The fact that she looked lively and happy half the time should probably mean she came in terms with the fact that she's a level 0 and moved on or at least took her first steps in mvoing on. Yet for some reason she doesn't seem like a person who has a general idea of what they want to do and there's that inferiority complex. Meaning she didn't really move on. Wierd eh? Her mother didn't want to let her go there so in fact if she came back after learning she's a level 0 I believe her mother would have been really happy. I tink he whole mama thing was there to give more detail and background info about her situation. I don't believe 90% of the people go through that as well but some indeed do. I meant 90% of the people's childish dreams are shatered at one point after they learn that the world doesn't work in their favour. I agree with you with you about AC pushing thinking like that through social norms and such on the people who live there. This actually doesn't sound that far fetched. On the other hand during this episode Saten clearly gave her reason for doing what she did and they weren't closely connected with this. It's not like other people and society as a whole were looking down on her, she was looking down on herself. Last edited by Joe_fh; 2009-12-07 at 05:13. |
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2009-12-07, 06:40 | Link #87 | ||||
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She probably did, too, but like I said being around Kuroko and Misaka only made things worse for her, rather than better. Misaka said it herself that satne was actually trying to talk to her about it and Misaka herself admitted that she didn't think she could help. Quote:
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2009-12-07, 08:55 | Link #88 | |
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It was really the "convenient" situations which occurred around later on which caused her to really desire such a thing. |
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2009-12-07, 10:35 | Link #89 |
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^ I have a hard time believing that. The first time we see her is in episode one when she tells Uiharu that she's still level zero and you could see from her expression and body language that she was visibly dissapointed. Perhaps not depression but later we see just how much she wants to help and goes tthrough extraordinary lengths just to prove to herself that she can. If anything, i would've thought the first episode emphasised just how much she didn't want to be level zero.
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Obviously the "measly .mp3 file" has some nasty side effects. And as I said, how can this not be something that affects your mind or body? Quote:
The fact is, Kiyama is using peoples' naivety and desire for superpowers to use their brains for her own purposes. If she actually cared about the people she was giving it to, why is she tricking them into it? And if people used common sense and didn't use the shady, suspicious audio "drug" like people don't use drugs, then we wouldn't have people falling comatose. Spoiler:
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So if some freakout stranger doctor took advantage of your kid and put him/her into a coma to take their brains for their use, even if it's for a little time, you wouldn't mind? I apologize again, but I must say that you have a flawed view of people. This is far from harmless and any sane person would want Kiyama's head on a silver platter. Of course this probably won't happen with our heroes, simply because they're the heroes and this is anime, and anime heroes have a tendency to forgive some pretty heinous stuff. Neither Touma nor Mikoto went after Accelerator again after Touma beat him or were even so much as wary of him, just to name one example from a list as long as the equator of the earth. Quote:
I'll take another TV quote, from Stargate Atlantis, particular focus on the last two lines: Dr. Weir: "I usually stop at dealing nuclear weapons." Lt. Ford: "They were making them anyway...." Dr. Weir: [sarcastically] "Well, Lieutenant, if they were making them anyway, why didn't you just SAY so." Just because they were doing it or wanted to do it, doesn't make it okay to help them.
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2009-12-07, 12:30 | Link #92 | |
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That's actually a good point.
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2009-12-07, 13:05 | Link #93 | |||||
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Your 'terrifying absence of wariness and common sense' is ridiculously exaggerated too. Again, it's just a freakin' .mp3 file. See below. Quote:
So your 'obviously Level Upper has some nasty side effects' falls flat. List even one? As I mentioned in my last post, the only concievable (on the basis of science, on the basis of commons sense) side effects of something like Level Upper would have been stuff like headaches or insomnia, at worst temporary fainting spells, and Level Upper doesn't even have those. The 'terrifying bodily consequences' that some of you are imagining are nothing more than wild and illusionary fantasies. Quote:
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Requiring that Saten should have taken the Level Upper on her own and tested it before sharing it with friends is ridiculous in any case. You couldn't ask or expect that of any kid. |
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2009-12-07, 14:30 | Link #95 | ||||
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I don't think anyone would expect to fall into a coma from listening to music though. That's really stupid. Quote:
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2009-12-07, 14:50 | Link #98 |
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Well, I don't know what's under the spoilers, since I don't want to know. But the discussions we're having in general pertain specifically to this episode and the events that lead up to it, even if they are Saten-centric, so I don't think there's any reason to move them.
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2009-12-07, 14:53 | Link #99 | |
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2009-12-07, 18:14 | Link #100 | |
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Come on DJ, if a visual can do it, why not an audio?
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