2011-01-25, 22:45 | Link #7661 | |
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Nagi never did that, she's still dealing with traits of her self-imposed hikkomori personality though, even falling back into them, while Hinagiku is not. All of the characters have their own issues they're dealing with.
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2011-01-25, 23:02 | Link #7662 | |
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2011-01-25, 23:12 | Link #7663 | |
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2011-01-25, 23:35 | Link #7664 |
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I seriously doubt Katsura the younger would've came if she weren't prodded by Ayumu and Yukiji. Whatever. It's clear you're not going to change your thinking, so I'll just leave you to enjoy the company of a mopey girl who makes Hamlet look like a man of action.
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2011-01-26, 00:05 | Link #7665 | |
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Hinagiku's mope is because of Hayate's expression of love, nothing which was said by anyone else until Hayate told her that Athena had rejected him changed anything about her emotions.
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2011-01-26, 01:05 | Link #7666 | |
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Don't misunderstand me, Hina has definitely grown up. However, she remains immature when it comes down to her feelings. She has a hard time on deciding to confess, and she keeps delaying the subject. Naturally, we could say this is due to fear of being rejected and this is exacerbated by her parents leaving her. But, despite the reason, that's an issue she's got to deal with. Of course, Nagi is still very immature. I was uniquely speaking about her being able to convey her feelings with relative ease. Of course, we could say it's much easier for Nagi, since she's under the impression that Hayate has proposed to her and that their feelings are mutual. But, either way, Nagi did start with a difficulty of expressing her feelings with Hayate, which she has managed to overcome over time, to the point in which she can express herself rather normally.
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2011-01-26, 01:23 | Link #7667 | ||
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You must remember that the cast is made of teenagers, thus experiencing these things for the first time, and unsure of how to express these feelings. Hinagiku is getting the worst of it because she actually suppressed feeling love out of fear of being hurt, the others are only dealing with love better than she because they let themselves be open to them before, thus the differing reactions.
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2011-01-26, 02:19 | Link #7668 |
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I don't think one's past experience could be used to overlook one's immaturity. If someone is immature because of lack of experience, then he/she is still immature; likewise, if someone is mature due to having more experience, then he/she is deemed mature. Their past experience reflects upon their future behaviors and mental processes.
Hinagiku is definitely responsible and well-behave, but I don't think she befits the mentally mature status. She can maturely help others with their problems since she is competent, but she has yet prevailed in showing indications in dealing with her issues with the chances that she had. She has evaded her problem quite many time by running away which isn't a really great sign in showing mentally mature. I think it's very fortunate for Hinagiku and for me, as a reader, that she has Ayumu as her love rival because I definitely don't want to experience Hinagiku's pace in trying to start a relationship with Hayate without Ayumu's presence. |
2011-01-26, 08:14 | Link #7669 | |
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It's no knock on Hina to point out her emotional immaturity. She has reasons for it, as you've already noted, but it doesn't change the fact that it's a big part of her character and will continue to be until she finds a way to deal with it. |
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2011-01-26, 08:20 | Link #7670 |
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Thus conscience does make a coward of me;
And thus the native hue of resolution Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought, And enterprises of great pith and moment With this regard their currents turn awry, And lose the name of action. -- the text on Hina's favorite shirt |
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2011-01-26, 10:49 | Link #7672 | |
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2011-01-26, 11:16 | Link #7673 | |
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Hinagiku is probably the most emotionally mature of the cast, but has been stunted in her growth over love and her fear of heights over the level of the other characters. Nagi's response to Ayumu requesting to be able to be on a date with Hayate was during the Athens arc, I'd hardly call that the beginning of the manga. That was during one of the most growing arcs of the story for everyone. And comparing that to the responses earlier was just to show that she is slowly growing, as opposed to Hinagiku's rather quick growth in such fields. To grow so steadily and quickly is a sign of maturity. Athena on the other hand, doesn't seem to have grown much at all emotionally, and didn't start off very high, causing pain on the other party for supposed infidelity doesn't put you on much of a platform. Also, Hayate seems to notice this growth, at least subconsciously, and is attracted to it. A trope that seems to be apt to this discussion, though doesn't entirely fit perfectly, Epiphany Therapy. It talks about how emotions and traumas are dealt with in a single episode in TV land, but for this story, it's averted, with the characters slowly growing instead.
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2011-01-26, 18:27 | Link #7675 | |
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If "emotional immaturity" is referring to her shortcoming in emotional control, then I wholeheartedly agree with you.
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2011-01-26, 20:14 | Link #7676 |
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Actually, there is a part of Hinagiku's 'emotional immaturity' that I would agree with, her being a pettanko. It makes absolutely no sense even on an immature level. She's the idol of the school, both the guys and the girls, Kotarou and Miki respectively serving as the 'heads' of those two dynamics, she has it in the blood, as shown with her older sister, and she has the smarts to put the pieces together, and yet she still thinks she needs to improve her chest.. for what reason again?
Hayate's even made it clear that he doesn't prefer the girls he likes to be significant, the Athena figure he fell in love with is (supposedly) younger than ten, at least before she would even begin developing in that manner. I really wish they'd just drop that from her character, you know it's eggregrarious when you can make a model with a larger chest and it's still easy to pick out who the model is supposed to be. There's a better candidate for the token pettanko in the story, with significantly better reason to even think of it as an issue, and is immature enough to support it as well.
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2011-01-26, 21:18 | Link #7677 |
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I don't think being smart, as in Logical-mathematical intelligence, and a school idol have much to do with one's level of maturity. Hinagiku was worry about her feature simply because 'love' is a whole new field to her, and she's no expert in boys. I don't find anything strange about her feeling insecure.
Hayate doesn't preferred girls that are "significant" in that part of female's anatomy is totally new to me, and I don't think it's true at all. It is already awfully peculiar that Hayate loved Athena because of her being flat-chested as a child; and, it's even harder to believe that Hayate was composed of that strange thought because he was only 6 years old back then. Aside from the flat-chested, I also don't think Hayate had feelings for Athena because of her red-eyes, blonde hair, antenna, golden clothes which were some of Athena's physical attributes that can be selected from using your interpretation. Of course, I believe that it was the circumstance in which they were in and how they helped one another that sparked their mutual feeling. Last edited by zodanhko; 2011-01-26 at 21:51. |
2011-01-27, 06:34 | Link #7678 | |
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Whenever Hayate did not do what Athena wanted, she became even more enraged than Hina, up to the violent duel and casting him out. Then came her "watching him but not saying anything" phase. Her cold shrugging him off time and time again, followed by wallowing in self-pity because she was feeling the opposite. More ordering/fighting/blackmail of Hayate, more denials, more rejection, until at the very end - due to the efforts and help of others - the big prize was thrown into her lap for free. In a nutshell, Athena behaved even worse than Hina when it came to Hayate, but her generally selfish disposition and the favor of the storywriter made her succeed where others struggle. But "emotional maturity" is something entirely different. For Ayumu, the attribute would be warranted. She has a fairly clear view on things, and she made peace with herself. It's clear that she accepted that she won't be with him, and she's come to terms with it, with a warm and grown-up way to deal with it. |
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2011-01-27, 17:21 | Link #7679 | |
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I don't really think it was wrong for Athena to order Hayate around since she was technically his mistress and teacher. While it's true that the 6 year old Athena got angry and violent quite frequency, but the same could easily be said for the 15 years old Hinagiku pulling out her sword due to embarrassments and jokes. I think the only event where the 6yo Athena is "more enrage" was near the end of the EotW ac. But that was the Athena 10 years ago under an extreme circumstance (although I don't dislike it). Now, if it's about the 16yo Athena, she only 'pinched' Hayate so far, without being influenced by Midas, in her own state of mind (I don't think it's accurate to use the behavior of someone under the influence of something like alcohol as a description for his/her 'normal' behavior ). And, when she decided to distance herself from Hayate, she committed to that decision until Hayate keep coming after her. Although it did hurt her, but she was still hold herself together, didn't forfeit herself to Midas, and protecting Machina from Midas. She didn't let her emotion surfaced, and was easily controlling them, which was clearly given during her reunion with Hayate. Athena also has no problem expressing her feelings and has done quite well once she decided on what to do regarding relationship issue. The current Athena did behave worst as an antagonistic character while being possessed, but she's much more capable in controlling and dealing with her emotions compare to Hinagiku. |
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2011-01-27, 17:32 | Link #7680 |
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Nice way to work Yukiji back into the picture. Hopefully this means the doujin thread is coming back into focus.
Part of me wants to see more of Saku and Wataru * (and wonders if the Vegas escapade has any further ramifications). I for one wouldn't mind seeing a bit of Saku the comedian or Saku the surrogate big sister. * And no, I don't ship them as a couple. Besides, Saku is too sensible to fall into a matchmaker crush, IMHO. Last edited by mitsuganae; 2011-01-27 at 17:58. |
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