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Thomas · 2004-10-08, 12:02

is it just me or does Kon look a helluva lot like Lion San from twin spica? They're both dolls as well... Coincidence? oO

TuF · 2004-10-08, 12:13

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hooliganj · 2004-10-08, 12:29

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Originally Posted by Wolfsbane68

I had a Yu Yu Hakusho flashback, does not bode well for me.

If this much doesn't bode well for you, then you're in trouble. This series has a lot in common with Yu Yu Hakusho.

Videric · 2004-10-08, 12:40

The 1st ep was good imo. I just hope they stick to the manga and dont do ~1000 filler episodes *ahem* naruto *cough*

Burner of Anime · 2004-10-08, 13:06

I really don't see the need to compare this show to anything else done before or after, it stands or fails on it's own and that is usually the end of the story. Bleach is stuck to formula for the shonen action genre [pure filler, power-ups, endless training, harem, ect], but the interaction between the characters [esp. Rukia's relationship with Ichigo] made this one an easy read IMO.

Where the writer doesn't messup is the use of flashbacks. They are exactly what they are described to be- a flash, then it's back to the present where your attention really matters. Oh!Great and Nobuhiro Watsuki should take lessons from this guy >_< on it's proper use. The first 4 books can be considered as monster of the week material, but also useful to introduce supporting characters critical to the current long arc. So it follows that wheter or not this show will be worth keeping up with will be here as well [est: episode 9-12 with the rival ghost hunter introduced]. Bear with the show till then, if it still doesn't make sence then drop it.

Another thing to bear in mind is the fact that the writer of the manga is not only in command of the storyboard, he's also a voice actor as perhaps his favourite mascot character

We can only guess of his intent on being so close to the adaptation process [which is damned rare], but the first episode itself was used to clear a number of major plot holes on the manga and expand a little more on the leads.

Spoiler:

So before raging on the changes done in the anime, pls think how the alterations will affect an event much later in the books. Not a lot of mangaka get the opportunity to revisit their work and fix something that doesn't make sense to them or attempt to make the entire work more cohesive.

sarcasteak · 2004-10-08, 13:40

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Originally Posted by Burner of Anime

Another thing to bear in mind is the fact that the writer of the manga is not only in command of the storyboard, he's also a voice actor as perhaps his favourite mascot character

We can only guess of his intent on being so close to the adaptation process [which is damned rare], but the first episode itself was used to clear a number of major plot holes on the manga and expand a little more on the leads.

Spoiler:

So before raging on the changes done in the anime, pls think how the alterations will affect an event much later in the books. Not a lot of mangaka get the opportunity to revisit their work and fix something that doesn't make sense to them or attempt to make the entire work more cohesive.

Very well said. I've heard a lot of people complain about these changes but none of them stopped to think why the changes were made.

Oh, and I also like the fact that the little girl didn't get eaten as an appetizer.

ViVi_bOi · 2004-10-08, 18:04

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Originally Posted by TuF

In assisting the circulation of anime,

http://www.bleachtalk.com

TuF Thx for the news update at www.bleachtalk.com

but the channel that u|tima is located at is #u|tima not #ultima hope u can change thx

Avacado Burger · 2004-10-08, 18:04

Personally, Bleach passed the test for me: It kept my attention, interesting characters, and it got to the damn point in the first episode (which a lot of anime has a problem doing).
I see a lot of people didn't like the ED, but I didn't like the OP.

I'll be watching more of this.

Tsukiyomi · 2004-10-08, 21:31

With all the talk going on and all.. may i ask when Bleach will be getting its very own forum section here at animesuki? =P

Timeless Enigma · 2004-10-08, 22:04

I wasn't too impressed by this anime, since I'm not really into the genre, but I think I'll keep watching.

I liked to OP, I guess I can stomach rap =D. ED was alright, but nothing spectacular. There are much better EDs around this season.

Youko Recca · 2004-10-08, 22:09

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Originally Posted by Tsukiyomi

With all the talk going on and all.. may i ask when Bleach will be getting its very own forum section here at animesuki? =P

Ugh, there is no need for that.

I am REALLY hoping Bleach isn't as popular as Naruto. I want a more subtle success. It was always like that until now when the anime started, signs have been showing, I dearly am hoping...that this doesn't flesh into another Naruto craze like a deja vu. Hearing people constantly overanalyze a cartoon, make imaginary/fictional omens, unnecessary bullshit comparisons that make no sence, people fighting over fiction itself...I want to just avoid crap like that. Not fond of the idea of one of my favorites being put through the gaunlet.

And that thing with Yu Yu Hakusho...I don't see the problem, they aren't mirror images or anything. Shounen? Yeah. What else?

Burner of Anime · 2004-10-08, 23:53

Heh, YYh went from Dead guy having a second chance, to ghost hunting to tournament style fights to nearly becoming the bad@$$ king of hell. Will Bleach head the same way? Personally not interested in speculating

Reason is pretty simple, this isn't my baby so what's the point in wasting braincells attempting to look into the future. Better to spend the time to just look at the thing and see if it makes sense NOW.

So IMO, does the recent changes to the adaptation make sense? Why yes, it's just a number of overlooked detail from the first time round that didn't add up as the writer was going along.

Spoiler:

The core of the first story arc is still there: bloke with abnormal psychic powers suddenly having to take more responsibility than he was originally built for. Unless they mess up and just change the theme of a particular arc, then that would be a legit reason to complain

Spooky-Electric · 2004-10-09, 01:56

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Originally Posted by Youko Recca

Ugh, there is no need for that.

I am REALLY hoping Bleach isn't as popular as Naruto. I want a more subtle success. It was always like that until now when the anime started, signs have been showing, I dearly am hoping...that this doesn't flesh into another Naruto craze like a deja vu. Hearing people constantly overanalyze a cartoon, make imaginary/fictional omens, unnecessary bullshit comparisons that make no sence, people fighting over fiction itself...I want to just avoid crap like that. Not fond of the idea of one of my favorites being put through the gaunlet.

And that thing with Yu Yu Hakusho...I don't see the problem, they aren't mirror images or anything. Shounen? Yeah. What else?

I agree 100%.

WHO WOULD WIN IN A FIGHTZ

I hate that crap. It's hard to find a place where you can discuss shounen manga/anime maturely.

IMSabbel · 2004-10-09, 04:14

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Originally Posted by Spooky-Electric

I agree 100%.

WHO WOULD WIN IN A FIGHTZ

I hate that crap. It's hard to find a place where you can discuss shounen manga/anime maturely.

This WILL come, if it has its own forum or not. 2 days after the first episode and here are already 8 pages or so...
If it doesnt get a own forum, the fansub forum will get all those threads, which will be merged with this one, which will make it unreadable....

Lets face it: its popular (even though the manga isnt that well known, but narutos wasnt, too, the first 10 episodes or so), with 7-8000 people on the torrent for the first episode,
its CLASSIC shounen with power ups, power up lvl2, lvl3,ect, a staff of evil guys that are only defeated because they dont use the highest powerup, or dont want to fight seriously, ect (i see it coming: if *that* captain would have cooperated with his sword, he would be MUCH better then *this* captain....), plus

There WILL be "he would beat the crap of of HIM" discussions, and they are better placed in their own forum than in the general anime.

sarcasteak · 2004-10-09, 04:18

i just saw bleech it is so kewl but i want 2 know wut u guyz think okay is rukia stronger than ichigo?!! cuz i think rukia is better cuz of her demon wayz and cuz shez a death GOD!

Oh the horror! ^_^;;

ViVi_bOi · 2004-10-09, 04:37

Inuyasha 4ever - Bleach Ep 1 Added into for Fansubs Comparisons -> http://ultima.hafio.info

Youko Recca · 2004-10-09, 08:40

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Originally Posted by IMSabbel

This WILL come, if it has its own forum or not.

Then I'm prepared to break people down, whether I take a ban or not.

Wouldn't honestly mind FMA type popularity at most.

7thMethuselah · 2004-10-09, 10:41

Yikes; 1 episode out and over 170 post allready

I just finished watching episode one and really liked it. A show with potential, possible good characters and lotsa action. I just hope the action is gonna be more than just hack&slash. Bleach certainly sparked my interest and I'm quite curious to see how it will evolve

Dejital · 2004-10-09, 10:52

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Originally Posted by ViVi_bOi

Inuyasha 4ever - Bleach Ep 1 Added into for Fansubs Comparisons -> http://ultima.hafio.info

Looks like ANBU & Anime-Keep have my vote.

hooliganj · 2004-10-09, 11:03

Hard to say which sub is best, although the video quality on the IY-F is awful. Lunar's translation has a bit more character to it, in the same sense as the Hecto/Shinsen Gumi subs of Rurouni Kenshin, if anybody remembers those.

And, yeah, Bleach could have its own forum, especially if it would prevent 8+ pages per episode in a single thread, plus whatever the manga manages to generate. If somebody volunteered to strictly moderate the thing, it could be kept from degenerating into the typical shounen-fan insanity, but where would be the fun in that?

2004-10-08, 13:06	Link #165
Burner of Anime Illegal Additives Join Date: Jun 2004	I really don't see the need to compare this show to anything else done before or after, it stands or fails on it's own and that is usually the end of the story. Bleach is stuck to formula for the shonen action genre [pure filler, power-ups, endless training, harem, ect], but the interaction between the characters [esp. Rukia's relationship with Ichigo] made this one an easy read IMO. Where the writer doesn't messup is the use of flashbacks. They are exactly what they are described to be- a flash, then it's back to the present where your attention really matters. Oh!Great and Nobuhiro Watsuki should take lessons from this guy >_< on it's proper use. The first 4 books can be considered as monster of the week material, but also useful to introduce supporting characters critical to the current long arc. So it follows that wheter or not this show will be worth keeping up with will be here as well [est: episode 9-12 with the rival ghost hunter introduced]. Bear with the show till then, if it still doesn't make sence then drop it. Another thing to bear in mind is the fact that the writer of the manga is not only in command of the storyboard, he's also a voice actor as perhaps his favourite mascot character We can only guess of his intent on being so close to the adaptation process [which is damned rare], but the first episode itself was used to clear a number of major plot holes on the manga and expand a little more on the leads. Spoiler: The first I mentioned earlier about the position of the sisters being switched during the attack. One was simply more delicious [refering to the later manga chapters] than the other to the Hollow The other plothole was why these monsters suddenly appeared and came after the lead, something the manga never even explained. Ichigo radiates a lot of spiritual energy unconsciously, so much he is able to magnify the presence and abilities of ghosts and other sensitive entities [or fuzz them completely ] with his presence. Yeah, makes him very popular with both good and bad spirits since they feed off these energies So before raging on the changes done in the anime, pls think how the alterations will affect an event much later in the books. Not a lot of mangaka get the opportunity to revisit their work and fix something that doesn't make sense to them or attempt to make the entire work more cohesive.

2004-10-08, 22:04	Link #170
Timeless Enigma Tsushima Masaki Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: British Columbia, Canada	I wasn't too impressed by this anime, since I'm not really into the genre, but I think I'll keep watching. I liked to OP, I guess I can stomach rap =D. ED was alright, but nothing spectacular. There are much better EDs around this season. __________________

2004-10-08, 23:53	Link #172
Burner of Anime Illegal Additives Join Date: Jun 2004	Heh, YYh went from Dead guy having a second chance, to ghost hunting to tournament style fights to nearly becoming the bad@$$ king of hell. Will Bleach head the same way? Personally not interested in speculating Reason is pretty simple, this isn't my baby so what's the point in wasting braincells attempting to look into the future. Better to spend the time to just look at the thing and see if it makes sense NOW. So IMO, does the recent changes to the adaptation make sense? Why yes, it's just a number of overlooked detail from the first time round that didn't add up as the writer was going along. Spoiler: Yeah, even the chair. If you're ever put into a situation where your family is threatened you won't want to waste time looking for a suitable weapon. You'de grab the first thing you can lift and do the smacking right away The core of the first story arc is still there: bloke with abnormal psychic powers suddenly having to take more responsibility than he was originally built for. Unless they mess up and just change the theme of a particular arc, then that would be a legit reason to complain

2004-10-08, 12:02	Link #161
Thomas Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004	is it just me or does Kon look a helluva lot like Lion San from twin spica? They're both dolls as well... Coincidence? oO

2004-10-08, 12:13	Link #162
TuF Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004	In assisting the circulation of anime, http://www.bleachtalk.com

2004-10-08, 12:40	Link #164
Videric A-O Typesetter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Stockholm Age: 37	The 1st ep was good imo. I just hope they stick to the manga and dont do ~1000 filler episodes ahem naruto cough

2004-10-08, 18:04	Link #168
Avacado Burger Senpai, we musn't!!! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: In Chinese Haruhi's sweatshop.	Personally, Bleach passed the test for me: It kept my attention, interesting characters, and it got to the damn point in the first episode (which a lot of anime has a problem doing). I see a lot of people didn't like the ED, but I didn't like the OP. I'll be watching more of this.

2004-10-08, 21:31	Link #169
Tsukiyomi step closer to Amaterasu Join Date: Apr 2004	With all the talk going on and all.. may i ask when Bleach will be getting its very own forum section here at animesuki? =P

2004-10-09, 04:18	Link #175
sarcasteak WAHA~ Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: World overloaded with fun Age: 39	i just saw bleech it is so kewl but i want 2 know wut u guyz think okay is rukia stronger than ichigo?!! cuz i think rukia is better cuz of her demon wayz and cuz shez a death GOD! Oh the horror! ^_^;;

2004-10-09, 04:37	Link #176
ViVi_bOi Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Age: 37	Inuyasha 4ever - Bleach Ep 1 Added into for Fansubs Comparisons -> http://ultima.hafio.info

2004-10-09, 10:41	Link #178
7thMethuselah Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Antwerp area, Belgium, Europa Age: 48	Yikes; 1 episode out and over 170 post allready I just finished watching episode one and really liked it. A show with potential, possible good characters and lotsa action. I just hope the action is gonna be more than just hack&slash. Bleach certainly sparked my interest and I'm quite curious to see how it will evolve

2004-10-09, 11:03	Link #180
hooliganj Team Player Join Date: Apr 2004	Hard to say which sub is best, although the video quality on the IY-F is awful. Lunar's translation has a bit more character to it, in the same sense as the Hecto/Shinsen Gumi subs of Rurouni Kenshin, if anybody remembers those. And, yeah, Bleach could have its own forum, especially if it would prevent 8+ pages per episode in a single thread, plus whatever the manga manages to generate. If somebody volunteered to strictly moderate the thing, it could be kept from degenerating into the typical shounen-fan insanity, but where would be the fun in that?