2011-03-05, 00:55 | Link #681 | ||
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How did you get to "QB must be working against some other malicious entity"? There has been no evidence yet to support this. QB has stated pretty clearly why he's trying to save the universe, and how he's going about doing that... |
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2011-03-05, 01:01 | Link #682 | |
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Basically, Kyuubey's concern is the spreading out of energy, or rather, the universe approaching maximum entropy. When that occurs, useful energy cannot be harvested from a homogenous system of particles. It's pretty far fetched imo since it'll take a very long time, if ever, for the universe to reach that state. P.S. About the log burning, it's combustion of hydrocarbons, and releases energy in the form of heat. It's chemical energy being converted to thermal energy, not the other way round. This illustrates entropy as molecules bound close together as a solid is converted into gas, where there are more ways of distributing energy, hence entropy increases in the universe. The products formed from combustion, water, carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, etc. are more stable than hydrocarbons in the wood, hence a reverse reaction is unlikely, therefore, no useful energy in the FORM OF HEAT can be produced from these products. That's part of Kyuubey's concern. Last edited by KRegnard; 2011-03-05 at 01:11. |
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He creates the conditions where energy can be harnessed. You can't just use people's emotions out of thin air. You have to get them to accept the contract whereby that energy can be harnessed. Turning your logic against you. If it's just despair they're looking for, would not the world's suffering work as well? I don't think you can convince me here. Quote:
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Unuseful energy is still energy. Yes, everything will cease motion, but Kyubey said that energy was being lost. I have to trust the subtitles. Quote:
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2011-03-05, 01:11 | Link #684 | |
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2011-03-05, 01:13 | Link #685 | |
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2011-03-05, 01:28 | Link #686 | ||
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So, I will transpose what happens if conservation of energy is not violated, but heat death of the universe is happening instead. Kyubey tells Madoka that all the energy in the universe is quickly being rendered useless. However, from our own universe, we believe that will not happen for many, many light years. So what is with this sudden need for an influx emotional energy? I think there is something greater Kyubey is not telling us. There must be a cause behind the sudden deterioration of mechanical and potential energy. There must be an agent actively sucking away all that useful energy. Who is this agent, and why is it using up the life of the universe? If Kyubey is not lying, then he is working to extend the survival of the universe. Kyubey is working toward the greatest good. If Kyubey is lying, then he (and his race) may be that agent. It is Kyubey's race who is using the universe's energy for their own purposes. And to fuel their need, they are coming to Earth in order to harvest emotional energy from humans. The biggest hole in my theory is that conservation of energy is already violated by the concept of energy being created from humans. I think that humans are special (haha!) and are the only beings able to create energy in the universe. Perhaps Kyubey's race is good at using it all up. Off to bed... hope there are not too many oppositions in the morning. Quote:
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2011-03-05, 01:34 | Link #687 | |
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When Kyubey said "Well, that obviously wasn't going to work" to Homura, he may have been referring to Kyoko's specific plan of using love and friendship to save the day, and not the act of turning Witches back into Magical Girls in general. In which case, Kyubey never actually changed his stance on Witch restoration being an unknown. Clever. Last edited by Hagoshod; 2011-03-05 at 01:45. |
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2011-03-05, 02:42 | Link #688 | |
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Everything QB says seems to be very carefully worded to allow people to hear (potentially incorrectly) more than he's saying, even though he means (purposefully incorrectly) more than he's saying, lol. He's a complicated rotten little furball. |
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2011-03-05, 04:12 | Link #689 |
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It's all moot anyways. The sheer trillions (actually, it's several orders of magnitude larger than even that lol) of years it'd take for heat death to occur is so off the wall, that the only people who find this excuse for QB's actions reasonable are the ones who didn't bother to pay attention to their highschool chemistry or physics class.
I mean, I realize science is rarely used correctly in fiction, and that I should just brush this all aside and accept QB's reasons at face value as shown within the framework of the show, ie: I should believe this is an issue that might actually be of concern to his alien race, but boy. I am having a hard time suspending my disbelief quite that far. Heh. Anyways, utterly ridiculous motivations aside, QB is still the best anime antagonist in the last few years. I am shivering in anticipation for his ultimate fate at the end of this show. |
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What? I just said, "what if it's NOT despair". Please read a little more carefully. Quote:
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2011-03-05, 10:00 | Link #693 |
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QB: "When you regret a wrong decision based on a misunderstanding, you humans tend to hate the other party for some reason"
This can be interpretated in two ways 1) It means he doesn't think he's at fault here, which means he hasn't been manipulating anyone (or atleast doesn't realise he has) 2) This is yet another form of manipulation. He's actually perfectly aware that he's been telling half-truths for the sake of manipulation and is now tlaking about entirely different examples in the hopes that Madoak will connect it to this case and give a false impression of honesty. What was that quote about his species not being able to understand trickery again?
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2011-03-05, 12:06 | Link #694 |
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He says he doesn't understand human emotions or the human perspective. But he sure knows what to say and what not to say to get people to do what he wants. Seems like bullshit to me about him not "understanding" human emotions. If you know how people will reaction when you say certain things, you can read there emotions.
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he really does say energy is being lost. Not any thing else like useful energy or the equal distribution of energy throughout the universe. Thus why I say his story has a gaping big hole that makes it seem he's lying once again. Quote:
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The idea of entropy is that all of the universe's mechanical energy will take useless forms, thereby stopping all motion. That is different form what Kyubey is saying, that energy is actually lost. And that energy can be created, which is impossible in our universe. Quote:
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And is it really unreasonable? There is always more to Kyubey's story than he initially states. The very idea of Kyubey using human emotions as energy feels very evil to me. |
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QB does make the comment that Madoka would be like a God. The whole Christian concept of God is that it created the Universe from nothing, or in other words it brought about all the energy into the Universe. Madoka from QB's perspective believes that she will bring about energy on a level similar to that concept I think.
I question the whole idea though that scientist say the Universe is "expanding". Isn't that tech wrong? The Universe has finite amount of energy that alters and changes forms but its still all there, no more or less. Its all just spreading out further and further so isn't it more accurate to say the Universe is "spreading" rather than expanding? Thinking of it like a sandwich and your spoon a lump of peanut butter on the bread and than spread the peanut butter out. QB doesn't want the peanut butter to spread too thin so he is getting more peanut butter by the Witches. It just seems to be an equilibrium problem. Everything is spreading into nothing to create something (The Universe). But QB isn't solving the problem in the least bit. What happens when humans go extinct? He still isn't addressing the issue of stopping the lost energy. He is just digging for more oil so it seems.
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And yes, you seem to be very biased. You change the facts to fit your opinion, not the other way around. Even the digital animator has stated explicitly in a twitter post, that QB is NOT EVIL, but rather his values just DIFFER from us. You can always argue that the director is trying to mislead us, etc but go ahead claiming whatever you want. Quote:
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Facts from Kyubey -The universe is losing energy -Emotions make energy Facts from Physics -The universe is not losing energy Now which part of the facts did I twist around? Anything I say other than those facts are my opinion. You do not think the evidence fits because you are biased as well; everyone is. Quote:
I do not mind if you value the opinions of the director more than my own, but you cannot use him as a way to end the argument. Kyubey's values are different from Madoka's, so that is why Madoka can call Kyubey evil and Kyubey will align himself on good. |
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