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View Poll Results: Ore no Imouto - Episode 9 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 54 | 41.86% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 35 | 27.13% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 20 | 15.50% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 11 | 8.53% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 5 | 3.88% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 0.78% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 2 | 1.55% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 0.78% | |
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2010-11-30, 07:49 | Link #183 | |
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The same can be applied to Kuroneko and Kirino. This show is all about read between the lines, pretty common in Asian cultures, less so in Western literature. |
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2010-11-30, 12:53 | Link #186 | ||
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2010-11-30, 13:22 | Link #187 | |||
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Then again Saori, and Kuroneko, have double lives as well. Saori... very interesting... Kuroneko... she got me hook on the show now. Look at Kyosuke, he seems the one that does not have a double life, but then again... look how his parents, and Ayase perceived him atm. And, look at how he behaves with Manami's house... so different from his own. It's seems that everyone has a double life, one way or another, like it or not, I'm falling in love with the show Well, if i ever met a man as kind as Kyosuke, I would never be a bitch to him lol ..... .... .... unless he breaks my heart or trust, i will break his B@lls... |
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2010-11-30, 14:27 | Link #188 |
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Dear God this was hilarious. People were actually complaining about Kirino being 100% tsun and not enough dere and what did we get? What unbelievable trolls these guys are. Kuroneko's story was also really great with lots of sutblety and Saori actually turning out to be filthy rich was freaking awesome.
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2010-11-30, 14:44 | Link #190 | |||
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And thus, with the emotional bluntness and lack of admonishment, maybe the reason her 'tsun' goes overboard sometimes is because she doesn't realize just how much it'd hurt other people, seeing as she rarely suffers the same thing. She knows it's bad, of course, but she doesn't know how bad it is or that in her mind, the other person deserves it anyway. Quote:
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2010-11-30, 15:02 | Link #191 | |
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I've noticed something... after kirino played the game , she look sad when Rinko said " I will never see you again"... and Kirino said something along the line " I made a wrong choice..." . I have no clue what she is talking about. I thought it was because the ending of the game was not what she was hoping for, then again it could be on what she really wanted inside... Revelation? |
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2010-11-30, 17:03 | Link #193 | |||
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Kyousuke is actually a pretty good guy. He might not be as gifted as his sister, but he is genuine inside, well at least in the anime as far as I can see. Of course, they could twist the story around at any moment now. Quote:
As for her relationship with Kyousuke, I genuinely believe that she does want a better relationship with him, but she just doesn't understand how. Her siscon games are her only reference, and the games are shunned upon in society, so she cannot follow along with it. As far as her expressing it, however, it is mean, vicious, and unkind, which makes her less appealing to many viewers, especially considering how kind the recepient (her brother) is in contrast. Quote:
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2010-11-30, 17:27 | Link #194 | |
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2010-11-30, 18:38 | Link #195 | |
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Here's a thought, perhaps when the game ending with the "wrong choice", there's a possibility she will make a correct choice, with her own alternative ending. That clearly shows she wants to make some type of amends towards Kyousuke, at least in some level. Maybe it does not have to do anything with her eroge hobbies, perhaps she is using "some" materials just to figure out herself and how she "feel" about everything including her brother. |
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2010-11-30, 20:12 | Link #196 |
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This is borderline overanalysing but a person can have multiple, or even contradictory characteristics.
Kirino has this moe/siscon game fetish and its association with otakudom, but her interest is quite specific, non of the otaku-sage type who likes the culture and everything associated with it. It would be unfair to characterise her as a fan first and foremost because it is just one side of Kirino - just as valid as her hard-working model student side (her monologue in ep5 said just as much). She did tell Ayase that Ayase and eroge are just as important, and her refusal to abandon neither caused the rift. Kirino never 'choose' one over the other, Ayase choose to remove herself from the friendship and it is only because Ayase eventually partially accepted the other part which allowed reconciliation. Kirino did not compromise on her eroge part, nor would I think she would compromise on Ayase if the context is reversed, they are both important. Edit: Some anime only viewers are overplaying Kirino's otaku interests. Can't fault them especially since ep9! Do remember however that her eroge obsession is built on the foundation of being a good student, a modelling career and other commitments. Without those she cannot have her hobby. Therefore it is a stretch to call those accomplishments 'fake' because they earned her the right to have this hobby. Also another point of clarification: Kirino is only really tsun to her brother. Her interaction with Kuroneko is not tsun because you'd otherwise describe Kuroneko also as a tsundere except both are simply bad at freely express themselves to people they care about. In comparision her reactions to Kyosuke which are extreme, follows no pattern and outright hostile. Remember the opposite of love is not hate, but in-difference. Kyosuke is special to Kirino, exactly what 'special' means are yet to be seen. All this bagging her being selfish/immature are missing the boat IMO (it is only true in the context of Kyosuke). First i don't believe being dere means maturity or unselfish to begin with. Besides socialable is a skill and there are plenty of that (which made Kyosuke cringe) in the home visit episode. Another important revelation was during the Ayase episode, despite feeling horrible over the holidays she concentrated in the atheletic camp and her reasoning being "must do my best otherwise it is unfair for those people who were overlooked for the camp" which goes to show she does have emphthy even for your average joe guys and has the emotional maturity to stay focused despite personal demons. That to me shows more maturity than becoming an emotional wreck if that's your definition of a responsive character. I believe Kirino used the eroge in ep9 as reference material. She was exploring the choices you can make and the consequences. She essentially decided to play as Kyosuke would do. The irony was despite her not seemingly recognising any progress with Ringo and the tsun level, she ended up on the Ringo route anyway. Implying Kyosuke is possibily on the Kirino route. Last edited by potchip; 2010-11-30 at 22:43. Reason: sf |
2010-11-30, 20:50 | Link #197 | ||
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See I knew it.. ^_0 lol Maybe she is also seeing what "possible" endings, things could occur, ... foreshadowing? Seeing how things could be, maybe some type of presage, bad future occurrence, and how Kirino may perceived on what level her emotions are. She did admitted choosing the "wrong choice" , then she knows that the outcome is not favorable at all. So.. in sense... she is gathering information, on what she really feels, specially towards her brother. I think... well... I've thought that its all about her eroge hobbies, her attitude, and why she is such a spoiled little princess at times I just hate her lol, but now that small piece of ep9 , got me thinking its not about eroge anymore, it's really about self discovery, and what action(s), or amends she could do with the people she really loves. mmmmm.... interesting. Making the right choices ^_^ <3 <3 <3 <3 |
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2010-11-30, 21:20 | Link #198 | |
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2010-11-30, 23:04 | Link #199 | |
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Maybe from the start as a way to have "some type" of relationship that may seems "close" to her brother in the first place. Even though is not real as in a REAL relation with siblings. Now that the cat is out of the bag, and Kyousuke knows, but there is a more meaningful answer(s) deep inside Kirino, when the ending of the game was not what she excepted for. So honestly, what is she trying convey through the game based on her feelings? Earlier Undertaker did a wonderful job on explaining why play eroge games, which I love his points, its really just to express in some sort of emotions or feelings, to understand oneself. Just like saying why people get pissed playing Halo when the opposite opponent is better then you, and he/her keeps on killing you over and over. Just the same when a Halo player is good on hunting and killing of adversity factions and gets a kick out of it ( KING OF THE HILL! ). Spoiler for Final Fantasy 7:
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2010-11-30, 23:35 | Link #200 | |
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So I do think that her sort of "stumbled into it" excuse seems pretty realistic. Why she stuck with it perhaps digs at some deeper issues, but I'm not sure you can dig too deeply. I don't think she "sought out" eroge, more like "it found her" -- she just happened to be receptive to it.
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