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Mr Hat and Clogs · 2012-09-07, 19:16

just a question about Dungeons. Story mode requires a certain level yeah, but explorable mode can be done at any level?

Tokkan · 2012-09-07, 19:43

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Originally Posted by Mr Hat and Clogs

just a question about Dungeons. Story mode requires a certain level yeah, but explorable mode can be done at any level?

Um, explorable mode usually requires a higher level than story mode (AC explore requires you to be at least level 35 while AC story only requires you to be at least 30). You also need to "attune" by completing story mode first.

Entering a dungeon, story or explorable, always down-scales you to the required level.

Bonta Kun · 2012-09-07, 20:46

The down scaling is a very interesting concept and keeps things well interesting but for a ele it can be a bit of a pain in the arse some times as you can still be very easily killed at lower levels if your not paying attention.
For something like a war tho it's all easy as pie, that class is very OP.
I do like the way the ele works but I think it does need a little boost, no where near as much damage as you expect and using conditions to do your "best" killing isn't how I'd like to play the class tbh.

You do hear that to get the best out of an ele you have to use all 4 attunements in battle and I can agree with that cause once you get a handle of it all you can do some wonderful things but that's alot of effort involved compared to the other classes.
You can just as easily get by using only one attunment but you will have to pay even more attention to how you play, dodging and kiting become even more essential than when using all 4.
Still think the class needs a little buff, with the low Hp and how squishy it is you expect to be dealing loads of damage but it's not quite there.

Still my favorite class and still very fun to play, really liking using dual dagger.
Just a little more damage would be nice.

p.s I also hear alot of mixed opinions of Mesmer, some say it's really good others saying it's abit meh.
But from what I've seen it looks pretty solid, anyone using one?

sora1607 · 2012-09-07, 21:44

The worst thing about playing ele is you have like 0 defense and die like no others in dungeons. The scaling level actually becomes annoying when you're fighting in dungeon 30 levels below you and you still die like no others while other classes just seem to last forever

Syntron · 2012-09-08, 00:47

My Ele has multiple skills that grant invulnerability... Makes things a little less squishy.

Archon_Wing · 2012-09-08, 03:16

Downscaling sucks if you use necromancer minions, because low level ones suck rather horrifically. I also hate entering water because only the blood fiend works underwater. And you have to resummon on the surface. And every time you enter a new area. And the cooldown is there...

I completed that quest by hiding in a corner and let the zombies slaughter my NPC buddies. But the next part they're all up and well and said we held them off

As a side note, I found it funny that I found a rich silver vein in the overflow server. Then I joined the regular server to find the exact same one. In that case I might as well play in overflow til I find something good.

At level 30 I finally have access to the elite skills. Flesh golem looks neat. Since I am richer now ingame, might as well upgrade the lifestyle too! Strawberry tarts are good for their 10% mf/+10 exp boost over 30 minutes.

Spoiler:

NorthernFallout · 2012-09-08, 03:22

Downscaling for Guardians is sort of hilarious because everything becomes so easy. You take close to no damage and your AoE Greatsword attacks kills several mobs at once if you're lucky, allowing massive group pulls. Might be a tad bit of a balance problem, but I'm enjoying it while it lasts, doing the other zones.

Mr Hat and Clogs · 2012-09-08, 03:40

Cant complete exploring Rata Sum as a Human it seems, the only way to get too the Snaff Memorial Lab is in an instance which doesn't seem to count towards the total.

Also, whats the origin for the Asurans? is that covered in their story, because they seem... kinda... out of place with all their magi-tech.

Tokkan · 2012-09-08, 04:02

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Originally Posted by Mr Hat and Clogs

Cant complete exploring Rata Sum as a Human it seems, the only way to get too the Snaff Memorial Lab is in an instance which doesn't seem to count towards the total.

Huh? Instanced PoIs count towards the total, you just can't collect until you leave the instance.

Mr Hat and Clogs · 2012-09-08, 04:20

Normally yeah, but this one didn't. I'm sitting on 18/19 with everything covered. The game just didn't register me getting it like it normally does. No xp or anything. Hence "Cant complete exploring Rata Sum as a Human it seems."

kenjiharima · 2012-09-08, 04:24

Still on the fence getting this game even if Angry Joe said it's a 10/10, badass seal of approval and it's legendary. Because it's another MMO.

YouTube

https://youtu.be/Ax-_06Acj8Y

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Destined_Fate · 2012-09-08, 05:31

Well there's no monthly sub and I'm sure there will be discounts around Christmas time so you could wait til than. By than any issues may be addressed already.

kenjiharima · 2012-09-08, 05:44

Definitely will wait for the discounted and also hoping there is a bonus 2 acct free, so me and a friend can save the money, since it's another MMO RPG that you need to work alot on. To many games TTT2 and RE6 might not be able to play this and concentrate on it when those 2 titles arrive.

Jazzrat · 2012-09-08, 06:38

You can check retailer for discounts. They are more likely to have em earlier to clear stock for the winter sale. As for the game, it's definitely massive even for a mmo. But unlike others, it is much more accessible for casual players.

You ll spend a lot of time just exploring the content and best of all there is no obligation to log on religiously to get your money's worth.

Been having a blast with the game so far eventho my server is taking a pounding by big server like henge of denravi. Just manage to get my first exotic weapon with my engineer and doing a lot of hit run attack on enemies to help divert their attention from our main force sieging keeps and towers.

Keroko · 2012-09-08, 06:49

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Originally Posted by Mr Hat and Clogs

Also, whats the origin for the Asurans? is that covered in their story, because they seem... kinda... out of place with all their magi-tech.

That's because they are out of place., They used to live underground in their own society, completely oblivious to the surface people and vice versa (only the dwarfs knew about them), they were driven out when the dragpn servants started chasing them out. They're an isolated culture suddenly forced to connect with a greater world, culture shock is part of their thing.

Ak3mi · 2012-09-08, 07:06

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Originally Posted by kenjiharima

Still on the fence getting this game even if Angry Joe said it's a 10/10, badass seal of approval and it's legendary. Because it's another MMO.

YouTube

https://youtu.be/Ax-_06Acj8Y

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The thing with Joe is that he is casual, and he focuses on the no monthly sub a lot. His pass two reviews have been pretty far off, like his sleeping dogs one. A lot of my friends have GW2, and they say its fun to play and level, but the PvP isn't that great and WvW is a cluster bomb. I think I will wait a bit longer till I buy it.

Jazzrat · 2012-09-08, 07:30

For WvW, it's pretty much about server organization and coordination. The main mechanic problem it suffers right now are the queue to get in during peak hours. Other than that, I don't really see the fault in it.

Spvp though, you can't party queue in public but you can do it for tournament, which I felt.it's ok cause people would just party queue and stomp random folks in public game.

That said there is definitely polishing that is still needed for both gameplay so if you are skeptical,you can check again later down the road when Wvw rematch are for 2 week period instead of daily and more game mode is added to spvp.

Keroko · 2012-09-08, 08:10

I do wonder one thing though... how'd he get his norn to be so slim? I picked the slimmest norn I could find in character creation, but none of them are that slim. All of them are bulky.

Kyral · 2012-09-08, 08:58

Well, the slimest norn bodytype is the one on the right...
Maybe it's that one (should be the one on the lower middle during character creation)

NorthernFallout · 2012-09-08, 09:53

@kenjiharima: Though it seems you've already decided on waiting, I would also advise you wait. The game is flawed right now with annoying bugs and needs some general balancing. It's good decision to wait it out for a little while as they fix things.

2012-09-07, 19:16	Link #641
Mr Hat and Clogs Did someone call a doctor Join Date: Apr 2007 Age: 40	just a question about Dungeons. Story mode requires a certain level yeah, but explorable mode can be done at any level? __________________

2012-09-07, 20:46	Link #643
Bonta Kun Know who you are Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Resides within the depths of Ned infested Glasgow	The down scaling is a very interesting concept and keeps things well interesting but for a ele it can be a bit of a pain in the arse some times as you can still be very easily killed at lower levels if your not paying attention. For something like a war tho it's all easy as pie, that class is very OP. I do like the way the ele works but I think it does need a little boost, no where near as much damage as you expect and using conditions to do your "best" killing isn't how I'd like to play the class tbh. You do hear that to get the best out of an ele you have to use all 4 attunements in battle and I can agree with that cause once you get a handle of it all you can do some wonderful things but that's alot of effort involved compared to the other classes. You can just as easily get by using only one attunment but you will have to pay even more attention to how you play, dodging and kiting become even more essential than when using all 4. Still think the class needs a little buff, with the low Hp and how squishy it is you expect to be dealing loads of damage but it's not quite there. Still my favorite class and still very fun to play, really liking using dual dagger. Just a little more damage would be nice. p.s I also hear alot of mixed opinions of Mesmer, some say it's really good others saying it's abit meh. But from what I've seen it looks pretty solid, anyone using one? __________________

2012-09-08, 00:47	Link #645
Syntron Shiny Hardware Join Date: Dec 2009	My Ele has multiple skills that grant invulnerability... Makes things a little less squishy. __________________

2012-09-08, 03:22	Link #647
NorthernFallout The Interstellar Medium Author Join Date: May 2008 Location: [SWE] Age: 34	Downscaling for Guardians is sort of hilarious because everything becomes so easy. You take close to no damage and your AoE Greatsword attacks kills several mobs at once if you're lucky, allowing massive group pulls. Might be a tad bit of a balance problem, but I'm enjoying it while it lasts, doing the other zones. __________________

2012-09-08, 03:40	Link #648
Mr Hat and Clogs Did someone call a doctor Join Date: Apr 2007 Age: 40	Cant complete exploring Rata Sum as a Human it seems, the only way to get too the Snaff Memorial Lab is in an instance which doesn't seem to count towards the total. Also, whats the origin for the Asurans? is that covered in their story, because they seem... kinda... out of place with all their magi-tech. __________________

2012-09-07, 21:44	Link #644
sora1607 Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2012	The worst thing about playing ele is you have like 0 defense and die like no others in dungeons. The scaling level actually becomes annoying when you're fighting in dungeon 30 levels below you and you still die like no others while other classes just seem to last forever

2012-09-08, 04:20	Link #650
Mr Hat and Clogs Did someone call a doctor Join Date: Apr 2007 Age: 40	Normally yeah, but this one didn't. I'm sitting on 18/19 with everything covered. The game just didn't register me getting it like it normally does. No xp or anything. Hence "Cant complete exploring Rata Sum as a Human it seems." __________________

2012-09-08, 04:24	Link #651
kenjiharima Mizore-chan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Moe Land Age: 43	Still on the fence getting this game even if Angry Joe said it's a 10/10, badass seal of approval and it's legendary. Because it's another MMO. YouTube https://youtu.be/Ax-_06Acj8Y Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload? __________________ Vampire+Sisters

2012-09-08, 05:31	Link #652
Destined_Fate Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: "Sacrifice one to appease the few."	Well there's no monthly sub and I'm sure there will be discounts around Christmas time so you could wait til than. By than any issues may be addressed already.

2012-09-08, 05:44	Link #653
kenjiharima Mizore-chan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Moe Land Age: 43	Definitely will wait for the discounted and also hoping there is a bonus 2 acct free, so me and a friend can save the money, since it's another MMO RPG that you need to work alot on. To many games TTT2 and RE6 might not be able to play this and concentrate on it when those 2 titles arrive. __________________ Vampire+Sisters

2012-09-08, 06:38	Link #654
Jazzrat Bearly Legal Join Date: Jun 2004	You can check retailer for discounts. They are more likely to have em earlier to clear stock for the winter sale. As for the game, it's definitely massive even for a mmo. But unlike others, it is much more accessible for casual players. You ll spend a lot of time just exploring the content and best of all there is no obligation to log on religiously to get your money's worth. Been having a blast with the game so far eventho my server is taking a pounding by big server like henge of denravi. Just manage to get my first exotic weapon with my engineer and doing a lot of hit run attack on enemies to help divert their attention from our main force sieging keeps and towers. __________________

2012-09-08, 07:30	Link #657
Jazzrat Bearly Legal Join Date: Jun 2004	For WvW, it's pretty much about server organization and coordination. The main mechanic problem it suffers right now are the queue to get in during peak hours. Other than that, I don't really see the fault in it. Spvp though, you can't party queue in public but you can do it for tournament, which I felt.it's ok cause people would just party queue and stomp random folks in public game. That said there is definitely polishing that is still needed for both gameplay so if you are skeptical,you can check again later down the road when Wvw rematch are for 2 week period instead of daily and more game mode is added to spvp. __________________

2012-09-08, 08:10	Link #658
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	I do wonder one thing though... how'd he get his norn to be so slim? I picked the slimmest norn I could find in character creation, but none of them are that slim. All of them are bulky.

2012-09-08, 08:58	Link #659
Kyral OC Belka Scriptor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Germany Age: 40	Well, the slimest norn bodytype is the one on the right... Maybe it's that one (should be the one on the lower middle during character creation) __________________

2012-09-08, 09:53	Link #660
NorthernFallout The Interstellar Medium Author Join Date: May 2008 Location: [SWE] Age: 34	@kenjiharima: Though it seems you've already decided on waiting, I would also advise you wait. The game is flawed right now with annoying bugs and needs some general balancing. It's good decision to wait it out for a little while as they fix things. __________________