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[WiliamZ0]

Originally Posted by Acer

both arise after being crushed. Hamazura will create their own legend.

The moment you say that I fell sorry to break your illusion with what i gonna say next :/

so PASS

[Inept Forum User]

Regarding the various minor mentions, comments and whatnot (not the major ones) in the series, which may or may not be foreshadowing potential future elements to be used later on - which of those small ones would people like to be the ones used later on?

[allfictions]

From Toaru Sangatsu no Ni Rei Ichi Kan, one of the more obscure short stories written in the universe by Kamachi and published in March 2006 (released just after the 11th volume). Dealing with Touma during his graduation in his third year, according to the wiki, the story contains a list of foreshadowings that the fanbase has speculated Kamachi planned to introduce into the story:

Introduced concepts
"That" which is related to the Sisters – Misaka Worst
"That" which sleeps in British history – Curtana Original
"That" which awaits in the deepest section of Academy City – Fräulein Kreutune
"That" which is related to the - Five Elements Institution – Fuse KAZAKIRI or Aiwass
"That" which is hidden within the Misaka Network – The will of the whole Misaka Network

Not yet introduced
"That" which is stored in Ryouran Maid School
"That" which is under direct control of Tokiwadai Middle School's Student Council
"That" which is delicate
"That" which writhes at one point in the Sahara

[Mr.Kyon]

Originally Posted by allfictions

"That" which writhes at one point in the Sahara

Originally Posted by Wikipedia Choronzon

Crowley states that he and Victor Benjamin Neuburg evoked Choronzon in the Sahara Desert in December 1909.

Guess we know what to expect when our heroes go to the Sahara.

[dniv]

Originally Posted by allfictions

From Toaru Sangatsu no Ni Rei Ichi Kan, one of the more obscure short stories written in the universe by Kamachi and published in March 2006 (released just after the 11th volume). Dealing with Touma during his graduation in his third year, according to the wiki, the story contains a list of foreshadowings that the fanbase has speculated Kamachi planned to introduce into the story:

Introduced concepts
"That" which is related to the Sisters – Misaka Worst
"That" which sleeps in British history – Curtana Original
"That" which awaits in the deepest section of Academy City – Fräulein Kreutune
"That" which is related to the - Five Elements Institution – Fuse KAZAKIRI or Aiwass
"That" which is hidden within the Misaka Network – The will of the whole Misaka Network

Not yet introduced
"That" which is stored in Ryouran Maid School
"That" which is under direct control of Tokiwadai Middle School's Student Council
"That" which is delicate
"That" which writhes at one point in the Sahara

Yay, where do you find this info

[Inept Forum User]

(gets the feeling that a miscommunication may have happened, again)

Originally Posted by allfictions

Not yet introduced
"That" which is stored in Ryouran Maid School
"That" which is under direct control of Tokiwadai Middle School's Student Council
"That" which is delicate
"That" which writhes at one point in the Sahara

Am I right in assuming that these are the ones you would like to see used (rather than just ones you expect to be used)?

I'm certainly curious to see what those 'that's are, and others.

[allfictions]

Originally Posted by Inept Forum User

Am I right in assuming that these are the ones you would like to see used (rather than just ones you expect to be used)?

A bit of both, actually

[BossKagaxx]

Regarding what Othinus said (in spoilers):

Spoiler for Othinus about Crowley:

"It seems that man who names himself the Silver Star has tried to directly tamper with the 'pure world' that lurks beyond all the filters...that is to say, the world of science that is not affected by religion."

Pure world of science... that lurks beyond all filters and is not affected by religion...

Isn't this the Imaginary Number District a.k.a Artificial Heaven?

[allfictions]

Originally Posted by BossKagaxx

Regarding what Othinus said (in spoilers):

Spoiler for Othinus about Crowley:

"It seems that man who names himself the Silver Star has tried to directly tamper with the 'pure world' that lurks beyond all the filters...that is to say, the world of science that is not affected by religion."

Pure world of science... that lurks beyond all filters and is not affected by religion...

Isn't this the Imaginary Number District a.k.a Artificial Heaven?

I don't think so. The way Othinus says it, it's as if that pure world already exists, as opposed to the Artificial Heaven that was created by Aleister.

[BossKagaxx]

Originally Posted by allfictions

I don't think so. The way Othinus says it, it's as if that pure world already exists, as opposed to the Artificial Heaven that was created by Aleister.

But what if it already existed before and he just named it like that? Then created Academy City to have access to it via AIM?

By the way, when did Aleister said he created it? I may have missed it.

But regardless, I think the main point in creating AC is to have access to the Imaginary Number District. I don't think of it as he actually created it, but more of like he created a 'portal' to access it which in this case is the AC.

That so called 'pure world of science' is akin to ultimate enlightenment (science is a symbol for knowledge and learning) which is the main goal of Thelema.

Add to the fact that Aleister is trying to bring the Imaginary Number District to the entire world... (If IND is that 'pure world of science' and Aleister becomes successful in bringing it to the world, the entire world will ascend to the Aeon of Horus, of course he'll have to deal with IB/IT first)

[allfictions]

Originally Posted by BossKagaxx

But what if it already existed before and he just named it like that? Then created Academy City to have access to it via AIM?

By the way, when did Aleister said he created it? I may have missed it.

But regardless, I think the main point in creating AC is to have access to the Imaginary Number District. I don't think of it as he actually created it, but more of like he created a 'portal' to access it which in this case is the AC.

That so called 'pure world of science' is akin to ultimate enlightenment (science is a symbol for knowledge and learning) which is the main goal of Thelema.

Add to the fact that Aleister is trying to bring the Imaginary Number District to the entire world... (If IND is that 'pure world of science' and Aleister becomes successful in bringing it to the world, the entire world will ascend to the Aeon of Horus, of course he'll have to deal with IB/IT first)

Erm, pretty sure it was clearly stated that the IND is the the collection of AIM diffusion field of all AC's Espers.

“Nobody could guess that it was just the AIM diffusion field. Nobody knows that the natural energy scattered by the 2.3 million students in Academy City is the Imaginary Number District.”

As long as power users existed in the city, there would be an AIM diffusion field, and thus there would be a Five Elements Institution.

How you came to believe it is a world Aleister created a portal to access is completely beyond me, nothing in the text imply this.

If that world was already existing, how come it is a mirror image of Academy City? If it were an independant world. Add to the fact that your portal would be the entire size of the city for Kazakiri to manifest everywhere, and how it would made no sense for IB to be feared if it can't directly interact with it...

Anyway, I disagree with your theory based on its premise so here is a variation: What if Aleister created it as a 'world-bridge' to the 'pure world', similar to the Wood Between the Worlds in the Chronicles in Narnia or Cittàgazze in His Dark Materials? And by covering the entire world with IND, Aleister would be able to forcibly transfer the Earth to the 'pure world'?

[dniv]

Oh yeah, I've also been wondering something/speculating something lately.

I'm speculating about what Aleister is actually trying to do...

At this point, I'm starting to believe that he might have been doing something during the course of NT 9... The following is of course speculation but I'll spoiler it since it uses some stuff from NT 9 to try to support its plausibility...:

Spoiler:

I think he's trying to establish IND in order to do his own thing while Othinus is changing the world. It's also possible that he used IND to "teleport" or get something from a different dimension before. (In LN 22 with Fiamma).

I think he might be trying to use Imagine Breaker to stabilize the phase in AC or IND in order to prevent Othinus from being able to usurp his plans by recreating the world.

Aleister seems to be tampering with the gears controlling the world; we've thought this for a while. If indeed Aiwass was created because he is outside of the system controlling things, it might mean that Aiwass and Aleister were unaffected by what Othinus was doing just like Will-san.

What I'm thinking now is that if Will-san was able to override what Othinus was doing, I believe that Aleister and Aiwass could have done the same thing expressly because they are stronger/wiser. So this is where some of my beliefs arise from.

I'm also now positive that there is something far stronger than Othinus because it seems that whatever Othinus does to the world is limited to satisfying the constraints of an already existing system that was most likely created by someone else more powerful than her.

Also regardless of whether Othinus suppressed the invisible thing, it came back, so it is beyond her power to completely destroy it. She herself said that if she kills Touma, the Imagine Breaker will just move somewhere else, so it is beyond her power to be able to get rid of it.

Now since Aleister seems to have always been aware of the Imagine Breaker having this reference point nature, because he seems to be able to use IND to go wherever the clones go (and this might also include Will-san...) It may be possible that one of his goals is to actually prevent the world from being tampered with further.

For these reasons, I'm wondering if his goal to prevent the world from being tampered with is actually not his full-plan, but only step 1... This is mainly because I don't see how Aiwass is related to tethering the world, and so I think that it may be that there is much more to his plan that what we've already been told... (I'm wondering if he's trying to keep Aiwass a secret from Othinus...)

The other thing I wanted to point out is that Touma went through a lot of time suffering, so if Aleister was cognizant during that time, then he would have had a lot of time to correct his plans/ make new ones/ get his plan back on track.

Anyway, those are some things I feel might be happening... though I'm still drawing a blank as to how some of the other things going on fit in to his plans...

[entei08]

Does anyone have any idea what the "that which is delicate" is about?

[WiliamZ0]

which is delicate ... I think It something to do with what Misaka Will say to Touma. Human's heart is delicate thing after all

[zaeraal]

It could be a lot of stuff, but I agree the most plausible is someones "heart".
Maybe Index's or Mikoto's, or someones on whom Touma actions/speeches in future might misfire and cause unexpected (devastating) results.

(Like refusing someone's proposal, chosing his "true" love, helping a villain instead of the good guy..)

[WiliamZ0]

Come to think of it Kamachi usually slip some of what he gonna do or foreshadowing of new character in TAMnI and NT ... If I can just be more sharp, I might notice what gonna appear next at NT 10.

The only thing I could think only Thor. If you remember At End of NT 6, Thor noted about something that Touma could be his next 'stepping stone'

Also in NT 8, he showed up a little. I won't be surprise if he appeared at NT 10 as one of boss :3

[Miraluka]

Originally Posted by zaeraal

It could be a lot of stuff, but I agree the most plausible is someones "heart".
Maybe Index's or Mikoto's, or someones on whom Touma actions/speeches in future might misfire and cause unexpected (devastating) results.

(Like refusing someone's proposal, chosing his "true" love, helping a villain instead of the good guy..)

I disagree mainly cuz the first character tha appears on my mimd jus happens to be Shokuhou and she's been appearing a lot lately.

[furaiz]

Spoiler for Thoughts on NT10 - uses some stuff from NT9 so dont read if you dont want to be spoiled on that yet:

one of the illustrations of NT9 seemed to be Touma charging at Mikoto, so possibly some kind of all out fight against his 'former' allies for Othinus's sake.

Misaka Will would probably take over the network in NT10 and do some stuff on his behalf too.

I'd be kinda gutted if Othinus died despite his efforts, that would be irreversible in terms of his mental stability, which is already kinda questionable from NT9 events.

Also, I'm pretty certain Touma would end up beating anyone against him, especially with all the experience he has gained, he also knows pretty much everything they could throw at him, especially if he's previously fought them, like Birdway. Then again, he also fought everyone he knew in one of the 'false worlds' Othinus put him in. Even those he never had a reason to fight in reality. We also don't know if all the fights with Othinus somehow improved his 'precognition' drastically, he could possibly take on far more than before. Or even if he has a greater understanding of his power - which didn't seem to be the case even after Othinus gave up and let Touma win.

In an ideal world, Touma finds love, but we all know it'll never happen in the next million novels, so whatever. Though Othinus is the closest person he'll probably ever have due to his many probable centuries of existence in the 'void'.

I'll be pissed if he gets another memory wipe. *Vows to kill everyone in existence if this happens*

[dniv]

So an Idea just came to me and it's now officially bothering me.

Tsunade first mentioned this, so I'm going to bring it up again:

Kamachi is interested in Greek Mythology. Ambrosia was mentioned in the movie. It seems to be a super-powerful form of magic.

Now... take that... and the fact that Othinus recently showed up who is a magic god whose ability surpassed that of IB's true form in NT 4...

And add to the equation the fact that Ambrosia shouldn't exist unless it was created by someone/something... And so now we have reason to believe Greek Gods might soon enter the picture as well...

If it is true that

Spoiler for NT 9/Movie:

Ladylee had an appearance in NT 9. As in she's still important enough to be mentioned/not forgotten.

then it could really just be foreshadowing this.

If so, then I'm surprised he thought of this so long ago...

[tsunade666]

Originally Posted by dniv

Now... take that... and the fact that Othinus recently showed up who is a magic god whose ability surpassed that of IB's true form in NT 4...

-_-

Its not IB's true form but what IB's meant to sealed off

-_-

IB is just something inside Touma's right fist.

it can be stolen just or move into another host just like what Fiamma did

but after its been removed then the thing that is meant to be kept inside spill outside.

And that is the unknown invisible thing.

don't mix the two together. they are different.