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~~NK_500~~ · 2013-03-25, 17:35

At the other side of coin I think Taishou Yakyuu Musume is probably the most female-friendly seinen show I ever saw but too bad it had very limited appeal. Lack of bishies and romance definitely killed their interest towards that show despite almost zero fanservice(unlike most other male-oriented shows).

Vexx · 2013-03-25, 17:49

Seinen quite often appeals across the aisle simply because it has usually "grown up" past the Boom Bang Shouting or the Bouncy Bouncy and actually emphasizes relationship development and more complex personalities -- the kind of stuff that older audiences of either sex prefer. That isn't a knock of shounen, just a recognition of what the producers think the targeted demographic likes.

Tempester · 2013-03-25, 18:01

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Sure, but it'd be untruthful to say that the anime wasn't meant primarily for girls. Kuroko's Basketball runs in a shounen magazine, but everyone knows that it's mainly girls watching it as well.

Which is why I normally take official demographic labels with a grain of salt. Especially original anime which don't come with any label to begin with.

There are also manga that change demographics midway through with little to no difference in presentation. For instance, Aria changed from shoujo to shounen when it succeeded Aqua, but I never noticed it getting any "manlier". This just further emphasizes how meaningless all these labels are.

Kirarakim · 2013-03-25, 18:15

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I think I agree with OP though not entirely. I think some of the so-called "shounen" start pandering fujioshi crowd. Kuroko no Basuke, K and perhaps Code Breaker are recent examples.

At the other side of coin I think Taishou Yakyuu Musume is probably the most female-friendly seinen show I ever saw but too bad it had very limited appeal. Lack of bishies and romance definitely killed their interest towards that show despite almost zero fanservice(unlike most other male-oriented shows).

Do you really think women only want bishies and romance.

That is like me saying guys only want boobs and cute girls.

Some of us actually watch anime for the story & characters.

mistress_kisara · 2013-03-25, 18:21

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Do you really think women only want bishies and romance.

That is like me saying guys only want boobs and cute girls.

Some of us actually watch anime for the story & characters.

Just ignore him his posts are always like that

NoemiChan · 2013-03-25, 18:23

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Originally Posted by Kirarakim

Do you really think women only want bishies and romance.

That is like me saying guys only want boobs and cute girls.

Some of us actually watch anime for the story & characters.

It can't be help..... it adds flavor...

Eragon · 2013-03-25, 18:50

Perhaps, the OP has seen only so many shows and is basing these assertions on that. Its not very difficult to imagine that, unless you watch anime on the internet, your view about what kind of shows are 'trending' will be highly influenced by what your cable operator is airing on t.v. At least, that's my experience.
And this, 'female-cast = female audience' is an old/classical standard - as far as I know. This could also probably be where the OP is getting his assertions from perhaps? I may very well be wrong and this post might make no sense - I'm, admittedly, devoid of sleep atm

CMSensei · 2013-03-25, 19:03

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Originally Posted by NK_500

I think I agree with OP though not entirely. I think some of the so-called "shounen" start pandering fujioshi crowd. Kuroko no Basuke, K and perhaps Code Breaker are recent examples.

It's more like the fujioshi makes it to their desire. I can tell you that a lot of fangirls do the same to others that are not pandering to the fujioshi crowd.

NoemiChan · 2013-03-25, 19:06

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It's more like the fujioshi makes it to their desire. I can tell you that a lot of fangirls do the same to others that are not pandering to the fujioshi crowd.

Much worst in the fanboys... 10x much worst...

Vexx · 2013-03-25, 19:10

If you've ever wandered by a doujinshi table, you should know the dark side can bend *anything* to their will.

CMSensei · 2013-03-25, 19:18

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Much worst in the fanboys... 10x much worst...

Really? I think there pretty much equal and I'm not just talking about fujioshi's I mean all the fangirls xD You should see what they can do >.<

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If you've ever wandered by a doujinshi table, you should know the dark side can bend *anything* to their will.

lol true.

NoemiChan · 2013-03-25, 19:22

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If you've ever wandered by a doujinshi table, you should know the dark side can bend *anything* to their will.

You mean turning girls into futas? It seems also that anime are becoming a sexual oriented show...

Ithekro · 2013-03-25, 19:24

They can do far worse things.

Especially with Touhou.

NoemiChan · 2013-03-25, 19:26

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They can do far worse things.

Especially with Touhou.

LOLs... That even made me think.. "So Touhou really has a futa character?!"

~~NK_500~~ · 2013-03-25, 19:32

Clannad and K-On! had big female fandom. Yosuga no Sora also known to have female fandom as well. Amagami SS and Tari Tari are one of the few seinen shows which don't have much problem with.

NoemiChan · 2013-03-25, 19:38

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Yosuga no Sora also known to have female fandom as well.

Gives me tears.... No sarcasm. It's really that popular among women? They do enjoy incest...

~~NK_500~~ · 2013-03-25, 19:47

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Gives me tears.... No sarcasm. It's really that popular among women? They do enjoy incest...

Not incest but the romance, which usually hard to come by in most shoujo mangas. How many shoujo manga where its hero willing to sacrifice his life for for his lover? I know I shouldn't mention YnS but I think it need to be noted.

More to that point lots of women enjoyed School Days but all they want to see is Nice Boat, just like everyone else.

NoemiChan · 2013-03-25, 19:51

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More to that point lots of women enjoyed School Days but all they want to see is Nice Boat, just like everyone else.

Spoiler for Battle Cry:

Ridwan · 2013-03-25, 22:42

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Spoiler for Battle Cry:

I won't accept this bigotry !!

0utf0xZer0 · 2013-03-26, 03:54

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Sure, but it'd be untruthful to say that the anime wasn't meant primarily for girls. Kuroko's Basketball runs in a shounen magazine, but everyone knows that it's mainly girls watching it as well.

I think it's safe to say that a lot of shounen and seinen publishers nowadays consider girls and women part of their audience if not their primary audience, but keep the labels for legacy reasons.

Evem visual novel companies seem to be in on the act. The popularity of Clannad with girls has been mentioned, but I'd go as far as to say that I think Key might have had it in mind when designing the protagonist of Little Buster. EF's atypically large male cast also seems like it might target women to an extent. And I don't think it's coincidence that some here are suggesting Yosuga no Sora has a strong female following - the impact of Haruka's cute shota looks is depicted quite vividly in the anime as I recall.

And of course, you have Inu x Boku SS, which appears to have targeted both male and female otaku and reaped the benefits in sales.

Personally, I find it pretty ridiculous that some people get so up in arms about it. Fujoshi are the lowest common denominator that's ruining anime? Guess who was accused of being the lowest common denominator ruining anime five years ago? That's right, "moefags" like me. What makes this crusade any less an exercise in reactionary hostility than that wankfest was? I'm not stupid enough to get caught up in that sort of BS.

(Besides, it's not like "fujoshi" and "moe fan" are exclusive - quite a few of these women are my comrades, so to speak.)

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~~NK_500~~ Disabled By Request Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Nintensalem	At the other side of coin I think Taishou Yakyuu Musume is probably the most female-friendly seinen show I ever saw but too bad it had very limited appeal. Lack of bishies and romance definitely killed their interest towards that show despite almost zero fanservice(unlike most other male-oriented shows). Last edited by NK_500; 2013-03-25 at 19:28. Reason: The plast paragraph was deleted to prevent the moderators doing so...

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Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	Seinen quite often appeals across the aisle simply because it has usually "grown up" past the Boom Bang Shouting or the Bouncy Bouncy and actually emphasizes relationship development and more complex personalities -- the kind of stuff that older audiences of either sex prefer. That isn't a knock of shounen, just a recognition of what the producers think the targeted demographic likes. __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!

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Eragon Still Alive Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Somewhere far far away Age: 30	Perhaps, the OP has seen only so many shows and is basing these assertions on that. Its not very difficult to imagine that, unless you watch anime on the internet, your view about what kind of shows are 'trending' will be highly influenced by what your cable operator is airing on t.v. At least, that's my experience. And this, 'female-cast = female audience' is an old/classical standard - as far as I know. This could also probably be where the OP is getting his assertions from perhaps? I may very well be wrong and this post might make no sense - I'm, admittedly, devoid of sleep atm __________________ Signature courtesy of rikikai Last edited by Eragon; 2013-03-25 at 19:56. Reason: Quoted post edited.

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Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	If you've ever wandered by a doujinshi table, you should know the dark side can bend anything to their will. __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!

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Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	They can do far worse things. Especially with Touhou. __________________

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~~NK_500~~ Disabled By Request Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Nintensalem	Clannad and K-On! had big female fandom. Yosuga no Sora also known to have female fandom as well. Amagami SS and Tari Tari are one of the few seinen shows which don't have much problem with.