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Madara | 104 | 32.91% | |
Madara’s Son | 14 | 4.43% | |
Madara’s Clone | 30 | 9.49% | |
Madara’s Ghost/Soul/Poltergeist given shape... | 33 | 10.44% | |
Obito | 59 | 18.67% | |
Obito’s Body, but not really Obito... | 55 | 17.41% | |
Someone else’s body (not Obito’s)... | 21 | 6.65% | |
Zetsu’s Love Child... | 23 | 7.28% | |
Tobirama/Sarutobi/or anyone with a 'tobi' in their name... | 16 | 5.06% | |
Bruce Wayne or other… | 69 | 21.84% | |
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2012-09-12, 22:32 | Link #1301 |
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Its not that big of a jump to think that he would please the fanboys. Come on he brought back Oro cause people wanted to see more of him. sasuke did a major asspull and bam Oro came back.
The enemy had a flee on sight of Minato casue they knew he was fast and the rock ninja was about to flee but he lived up to his name the yellow flash and got behind him before he even knew what happened then was killed. I doubt that madara trained obito while he was dead. Clearly he was an old man in the last panel. Why is Danzo existing was ENTIRELY a plot hole? I dont get what you mean he played a big part in the manga. |
2012-09-12, 22:46 | Link #1302 | |
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The biggest plot hole is- If he had Shisui's Sharingan and wanted to be the Hokage the whole time, why didn't he manipulate the elders after Sarutobi died? Why not be the 5th Hokage? Why wasn't he even MENTIONED during the discussions for Tsunade as Hokage? Why did the elders even CHOOSE Jiraiya before Tsunade, both over Danzo, if the elders supposedly didn't like Jiraiya or Minato for their decisions in the past? Why wouldn't Danzo try to be the Hokage before that? And if Danzo worked with Orochimaru, why didn't Orochimaru, Jiraiya or Tsunade even MENTION him prior to his sudden appearance in Part II? Everything about Danzo was a huge plot hole because none of his background made sense. He had plenty of opportunities to step in and be Hokage but all the plot holes pointed out the most simple truth: Kishimoto wrote him in on the fly to give Sasuke a power up. This is completely different from Tobi=Obito. Kishimoto dropped PLENTY of hints that Tobi was Obito. Half his body had bolts in it, he dismembered an arm from the right side of his body, he had the same Kamui style technique as Kakashi, same hair style, him and Kakashi had a 'moment' when Kakashi tried to use Kamui on him and he said "that technique won't work on me'. |
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2012-09-13, 00:22 | Link #1303 |
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He might have already use Shisui's sharingan it take 10 years to work again so that would explain it. They choose Jiraiya so that the village would look weak its one of the sannin everyone knew them. Since he turned it down they when with another who happened to be the best medical ninja of the time.
Tobi only said they in the recent chapters and everyone knew that he was going to make it obito from the lame hints in the past chapters. Dismembering his arm didnt really prove anything it was zetsu goo so for all that we knew at that time it could have easily been zetsu. |
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2012-09-13, 03:55 | Link #1305 | |
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I also think Zetsu might be tied to the first hokage, but then we would have a Hashirama summon at this point. (Although at the rate this is going, a Hashirama summoning wouldn't surprise me in the least) I don't think Tobi has any Madara DNA in him at all. I think Madara became a huge influence to him just like Orochimaru was to Sasuke. Let's put it this way: Any complex plot for how a good guy turns bad, has to be a "back of the DVD box" story. Wanna know what I mean by that? It has to be complex enough to be interesting, but simple enough that it can be explained in a few sentences. Here's my DVD box for Obito: He was once the weakest ninja of his classmates, unable to surmount the simplest challenges for a shinobi. Uchiha Obito made the ultimate sacrifice when he saved his best friend from death and gave him his left eye. His dying wish was to live through Hatake Kakashi's eyes and entrust him the love of his life, Rin. Against impossible odds, Obito survived, only to learn of Kakashi's failure to protect Rin. The long forgotten war legend, Madara Uchiha, healed and gave Obito a new goal: Take his legacy and become Madara Uchiha and destroy the ninja world that turned its back on them. No longer Obito, the new "Madara Uchiha" will stop at nothing to destroy the reality he no longer cares for, and only Uzumaki Naruto can stop him! |
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2012-09-13, 17:55 | Link #1306 | |||
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i mostly agree except i kinda wouldn't mind if obito turned out to be a direct descendant of either madara or izuna...
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2012-09-14, 04:20 | Link #1307 | |
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2012-09-14, 14:39 | Link #1309 | |
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We know nothing about his family, his lifelong dreams and what happened after he 'died'. We don't even know why he got so upset when Rin died. If anything, a girl's death is a lot more complex than Orochimaru who merely wanted to become the most powerful shinobi in the world. What was complex about Orochimaru was his methods of immortality and how he took advantage of people to get to that point. |
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2012-09-15, 03:29 | Link #1310 |
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Still more complex than wanting to screw the world over because a girl that rejected him had died when he was supposed to be dead. Right now that's all we have to go with, I'm sure the later chapters will just have Madara convincing Obito to hate the Shinobi world and maybe with him being the reason Rin dies.
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2012-09-15, 10:05 | Link #1311 | |
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Keeping in mind Kishimoto's message about socialization in this story, Oro's goal is no doubt related to all the death he experienced in the ninja war, and more importantly his parent's death as per his conversation with Sarutobi in front of his parent's grave when they found the snake skin representing good luck and reincarnation. From these experiences, Oro has apparently become a very cynical, jaded, and obviously psychotic character who fervently wants to escape what he describes as "the fragility of human existence", which he is all too familiar with. I don't think any of the character's goals in this story are terribly complex; any one of them can probably be reduced to one sentence. However, that doesn't necessarily do them justice(not even Obito's), especially if you're exploring underlying reasons. With that said, I don't see Oro's goal anymore simple than Obito's thus far, and everyone's catalyst for psychosis in this story can be backtracked to ninja society. |
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2012-09-15, 10:09 | Link #1312 | |
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2012-09-16, 15:08 | Link #1317 |
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Well, if Madara were revived through Rinne Tensei, wouldn't he be super old?
My theory is, that's the reason why the timing was so crucial. I'd wager he originally had to be revived on the moment where the moon's eye plan would be complete. The moment when the frailty of his physical body wouldn't matter anymore. Or perhaps, there would be a new body waiting for him to be revived in: The body of the Ten-Tails. |
2012-09-30, 03:57 | Link #1318 |
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After reading the last chapters I find that Tobi being Obito is coherent in the whole story and Naruto universe.
That was not my favorite option, since I did not really foresee him impersonating Madara till the end (I really thought it was Tobi who gave the eyes to Nagato), but this behavior makes sense. Retrospectively the dialogue between Minato and Tobi is funny. "Hey, dude, it matters who that guy is, he is your student!" Since Madara did not use Rinne Tensei on someone from the past, I still wonder how he can know so much about the Bijuus, the heretical statue, the techniques to control them. Are the tablets really sufficient? Who is the final villain? I don't know how Obito will be used from now. |
2012-10-06, 18:27 | Link #1319 | |
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As for the final villain, I think they've confirmed that It WON'T be Madara I'm pretty sure Tobi will become good so I'd go with Orochi. |
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