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Ledgem · 2003-12-04, 22:49

We're still doing version comparisons? ;P

I'm the raw provider to AF-F & Infusion for this one, and I have to say that the raws in general were horrible quality. I must have sorted through 15 versions for episode one, and they all had defects in them (Sanninwa's comment that ours had the most vibrant color made me happy, cuz that's what I thought too ^___^ ). It's just that this series had a lot of fog and dark scenes, and in my experience, DivX/XviD have never really been able to handle these well, so you get weird color distortions rather than a smooth blend. I did check into AKeep's version on a comment that someone made on IRC, and I was actually pretty distraught to find something. The quality itself was fine, but it seems that they shifted the sponsors section themselves. I'd wanted to use a raw that had the sponsors section (I like that part ^^), but the quality wasn't as good to my eye as the one I ended up choosing. However, in all episodes I found that included a sponsors section, it occured directly after the opening. AKeep's has it right after the ending, so you have that nice effect of lights being turned on for the "see you next chapter" screen, but lose the voices and music during the sponsors section. If you look closely, you can see a frame or two of the original sponsor's section flash before the episode starts. It's possible that the raw they found was already modified this way, but if they've modified it themselves, I dunno... people always had issues over DVDs being released with episodes modified, is it striking fansubs now, too? If anyone from AKeep knows, I'd be interested to hear which way it was.

Other than that, I hear people say "fanservice" for this series, as you see Rosette's bloomers and what have you. Of course, the fact that she wears bloomers instead of a thong or some such thing right there is a nice indicator that this is not a fanservice-type series ^_^

Don't scrutinize over the fansubs too much, if you're a quality monger just get the DVDs. As far as I'm concerned, get any version, enjoy the series, and make nice discussion over it ^_^

festosis · 2003-12-04, 23:35

I just asked a question? I personally like it better when they say "Devil" than "Demon" but thats just me. So I just wanted to know wich one was more accurate. Just like in Naruto I prefer kage bushin no justsu over shadow replication but its problably because I started watching TW version 1st.

Izumi · 2003-12-05, 00:01

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Originally Posted by festosis

I just asked a question? I personally like it better when they say "Devil" than "Demon" but thats just me. So I just wanted to know wich one was more accurate. Just like in Naruto I prefer kage bushin no justsu over shadow replication but its problably because I started watching TW version 1st.

It's basically the same word, and the translation is a matter of personal preference. And with Naruto, that same preference applies to translating the attacks as opposed to romanizing. :P Neither is really any more correct than the other.

IG88Assassin · 2003-12-05, 00:37

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Originally Posted by Izumi

It's basically the same word, and the translation is a matter of personal preference. And with Naruto, that same preference applies to translating the attacks as opposed to romanizing. :P Neither is really any more correct than the other.

It feels to me more like they actually use "devil" or "Demon" in the dialogue for certain intents. Like when the elder was explaining how the demon bullets worked. He said that the demons would come out of the bullet and kill the devil. This made me feel as though he used this change of phrase for the enemy because Chrno is called a demon and he was trying not to offend him.........maybe not though.

sothis · 2003-12-05, 21:04

people seem to be reading this thread MUCH more than the other "which version is best" thread... so i'll post this notice here, instead.

if you haven't been following it, there is a fansub comparison discussion thread on Chrno Crusade going on in the Anime Planet forum. for those of you interested in really detailed comparisons between groups, you might be interested in knowing that Masakari (one of the best reviewers in this section of the forum) has just added his detailed commentary on episode 2.

located here:
http://www.anime-planet.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=8031

(note, if you like these kind of reviews, make sure you check out the alphabetical list located in this forum.. lots of new series (and old ones) get high quality fansub reviews by various people, many of which are the core founders of W.T.F., when it existed).

Ledgem · 2003-12-05, 23:12

Ah, nifty site. Thanks for posting it here ^_^

I don't really get into comparisons though... I like to think of the competition as nothing more than friendly, which keeps us working in a timely manner and wanting to produce quality. If you read too much into version comparisons in a series you're working on, it just feels... like competition in a bad way. It's useful to non-involved viewers, though.

KeishoumoriDei · 2003-12-05, 23:40

Hmm.. well since I'm a dutiful person, and I said I would give my opinion on the difference of A-Kraze's and WPP's versions, here it is. Note that this is only the opinion of someone who is not completely fluent in japanese, but is merely the opinion of someone who is giving his personal opinion.
I think that A-Kraze's version has more practical translations, and I think they translated the part in ep1 when the girls were talking to Chrno better. However, WPP's translations had more "oomph" or impact. It was easier to get the emotions of people through their translations. Of course, both had their faults, so yeah, I can't say which is better because they are both good and their translators are already doing us a big favour by translating these.

*aznplayboi* · 2003-12-06, 04:19

well im just wondering why chrno crusade is so popular with two episodes. I mean, this forum has hella replies and only two episodes! lol

Mephisto03 · 2003-12-06, 06:30

After the ending of ep 2 I think anyone watching it would be a big fan of it now

Tboz · 2003-12-06, 08:56

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Originally Posted by *aznplayboi*

well im just wondering why chrno crusade is so popular with two episodes. I mean, this forum has hella replies and only two episodes! lol

I think the credit must go to the manga then... its already at volume 7 now.

*aznplayboi* · 2003-12-06, 13:02

oh icic....it's from the manga.

*aznplayboi* · 2003-12-09, 02:08

lol...my comment killed the thread!

o.O srry im just bored......

aaoo · 2003-12-09, 06:31

ep3
http://moe2.homelinux.net/src/200312/20031209361735.jpg
http://tmp.2chan.net/img2/src/1070950570233.jpg

Tboz · 2003-12-09, 06:40

Looks like Chrno Crusade still have abit of fan service after all.

wao · 2003-12-09, 07:45

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Originally Posted by Tboz

Looks like Chrno Crusade still have abit of fan service after all.

Sasuga Gonzo ne. :P

Panty shots this time eh...

Rune~Grey · 2003-12-09, 13:02

Well, again... this is a Dragon Comic series. So its probably going to have fanservice in it, as it is a shounen manga. (Think of series like Slayers, Scrapped Princess, etc if you want comparisons.) Although the fanservice in this episode isn't quite as bad as the shots above make it out to be - most of it is very quick, and unless you're looking for it, you hardly see it at all. ^^

Go-lytely · 2003-12-11, 02:45

I just watched a-keeps Chrno Crusade and I was wondering shouldnt it be father remington instead of minister remington since everyone else are nuns?

Tboz · 2003-12-11, 05:33

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Originally Posted by Rune~Grey

Well, again... this is a Dragon Comic series. So its probably going to have fanservice in it, as it is a shounen manga. (Think of series like Slayers, Scrapped Princess, etc if you want comparisons.) Although the fanservice in this episode isn't quite as bad as the shots above make it out to be - most of it is very quick, and unless you're looking for it, you hardly see it at all. ^^

Yeah... I totally miss that panty shot even though I knew there is going to be one.

One thing I couldn't stand is the exaggerated bounce whenever Rosette does any big action.

FlyByNite · 2003-12-11, 06:31

I was wondering about Remington too, is it the anime itself which is translating to minister or is it the translator? I know sometimes the Japanese don't get the Catholic religion that accurate.

I think he would be Father Remington, or there's an off-chance he could even be Monsignor Remington, but since he's so young I doubt he'd be that.

But then again I also think the order should be the order of Magdalene and not Magdala. But I'm not sure where they're getting the Magdala from tho. But I think that's the anime itself calling it Magdala.

Tboz · 2003-12-11, 07:48

For the record, Ani-kraze's version translate it as Reverend Remington.

I don't know Japanese, but since Remington seems to be pretty high ranking in the order of the church, I think it should translate into a title for someone important and respected.

2003-12-04, 22:49	Link #201
Ledgem Love Yourself Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Northeast USA Age: 38	We're still doing version comparisons? ;P I'm the raw provider to AF-F & Infusion for this one, and I have to say that the raws in general were horrible quality. I must have sorted through 15 versions for episode one, and they all had defects in them (Sanninwa's comment that ours had the most vibrant color made me happy, cuz that's what I thought too ^___^ ). It's just that this series had a lot of fog and dark scenes, and in my experience, DivX/XviD have never really been able to handle these well, so you get weird color distortions rather than a smooth blend. I did check into AKeep's version on a comment that someone made on IRC, and I was actually pretty distraught to find something. The quality itself was fine, but it seems that they shifted the sponsors section themselves. I'd wanted to use a raw that had the sponsors section (I like that part ^^), but the quality wasn't as good to my eye as the one I ended up choosing. However, in all episodes I found that included a sponsors section, it occured directly after the opening. AKeep's has it right after the ending, so you have that nice effect of lights being turned on for the "see you next chapter" screen, but lose the voices and music during the sponsors section. If you look closely, you can see a frame or two of the original sponsor's section flash before the episode starts. It's possible that the raw they found was already modified this way, but if they've modified it themselves, I dunno... people always had issues over DVDs being released with episodes modified, is it striking fansubs now, too? If anyone from AKeep knows, I'd be interested to hear which way it was. Other than that, I hear people say "fanservice" for this series, as you see Rosette's bloomers and what have you. Of course, the fact that she wears bloomers instead of a thong or some such thing right there is a nice indicator that this is not a fanservice-type series ^_^ Don't scrutinize over the fansubs too much, if you're a quality monger just get the DVDs. As far as I'm concerned, get any version, enjoy the series, and make nice discussion over it ^_^ __________________

2003-12-05, 23:12	Link #206
Ledgem Love Yourself Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Northeast USA Age: 38	Ah, nifty site. Thanks for posting it here ^_^ I don't really get into comparisons though... I like to think of the competition as nothing more than friendly, which keeps us working in a timely manner and wanting to produce quality. If you read too much into version comparisons in a series you're working on, it just feels... like competition in a bad way. It's useful to non-involved viewers, though. __________________

2003-12-04, 23:35	Link #202
festosis Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Burke, VA Age: 46	I just asked a question? I personally like it better when they say "Devil" than "Demon" but thats just me. So I just wanted to know wich one was more accurate. Just like in Naruto I prefer kage bushin no justsu over shadow replication but its problably because I started watching TW version 1st.

2003-12-05, 21:04	Link #205
sothis Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003	people seem to be reading this thread MUCH more than the other "which version is best" thread... so i'll post this notice here, instead. if you haven't been following it, there is a fansub comparison discussion thread on Chrno Crusade going on in the Anime Planet forum. for those of you interested in really detailed comparisons between groups, you might be interested in knowing that Masakari (one of the best reviewers in this section of the forum) has just added his detailed commentary on episode 2. located here: http://www.anime-planet.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=8031 (note, if you like these kind of reviews, make sure you check out the alphabetical list located in this forum.. lots of new series (and old ones) get high quality fansub reviews by various people, many of which are the core founders of W.T.F., when it existed).

2003-12-05, 23:40	Link #207
KeishoumoriDei Big Blue Thing With Mops Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada, North America, Western Hemisphere, Earth Age: 34	Hmm.. well since I'm a dutiful person, and I said I would give my opinion on the difference of A-Kraze's and WPP's versions, here it is. Note that this is only the opinion of someone who is not completely fluent in japanese, but is merely the opinion of someone who is giving his personal opinion. I think that A-Kraze's version has more practical translations, and I think they translated the part in ep1 when the girls were talking to Chrno better. However, WPP's translations had more "oomph" or impact. It was easier to get the emotions of people through their translations. Of course, both had their faults, so yeah, I can't say which is better because they are both good and their translators are already doing us a big favour by translating these.

2003-12-06, 04:19	Link #208
aznplayboi YUM!! YUM!! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: My house Age: 32	well im just wondering why chrno crusade is so popular with two episodes. I mean, this forum has hella replies and only two episodes! lol

2003-12-06, 06:30	Link #209
Mephisto03 ｾｽﾗﾊﾆｶ Join Date: Nov 2003	After the ending of ep 2 I think anyone watching it would be a big fan of it now

2003-12-06, 13:02	Link #211
aznplayboi YUM!! YUM!! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: My house Age: 32	oh icic....it's from the manga.

2003-12-09, 02:08	Link #212
aznplayboi YUM!! YUM!! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: My house Age: 32	lol...my comment killed the thread! o.O srry im just bored......

2003-12-09, 06:31	Link #213
aaoo Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2003	ep3 http://moe2.homelinux.net/src/200312/20031209361735.jpg http://tmp.2chan.net/img2/src/1070950570233.jpg

2003-12-09, 06:40	Link #214
Tboz Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003	Looks like Chrno Crusade still have abit of fan service after all.

2003-12-09, 13:02	Link #216
Rune~Grey Token Crusade Fan Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Somewhere West of the Sunset	Well, again... this is a Dragon Comic series. So its probably going to have fanservice in it, as it is a shounen manga. (Think of series like Slayers, Scrapped Princess, etc if you want comparisons.) Although the fanservice in this episode isn't quite as bad as the shots above make it out to be - most of it is very quick, and unless you're looking for it, you hardly see it at all. ^^

2003-12-11, 02:45	Link #217
Go-lytely Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Springfield Age: 46	I just watched a-keeps Chrno Crusade and I was wondering shouldnt it be father remington instead of minister remington since everyone else are nuns?

2003-12-11, 06:31	Link #219
FlyByNite Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003	I was wondering about Remington too, is it the anime itself which is translating to minister or is it the translator? I know sometimes the Japanese don't get the Catholic religion that accurate. I think he would be Father Remington, or there's an off-chance he could even be Monsignor Remington, but since he's so young I doubt he'd be that. But then again I also think the order should be the order of Magdalene and not Magdala. But I'm not sure where they're getting the Magdala from tho. But I think that's the anime itself calling it Magdala.

2003-12-11, 07:48	Link #220
Tboz Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003	For the record, Ani-kraze's version translate it as Reverend Remington. I don't know Japanese, but since Remington seems to be pretty high ranking in the order of the church, I think it should translate into a title for someone important and respected.