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View Poll Results: Macross Frontier - Episode 25 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 133 | 39.82% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 81 | 24.25% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 32 | 9.58% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 27 | 8.08% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 11 | 3.29% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 10 | 2.99% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 4 | 1.20% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 3 | 0.90% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 0.30% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 32 | 9.58% | |
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2008-09-29, 04:07 | Link #921 | |
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Skipping your other points. But Sheryl has just as much of a traumatic past, and, hey, somehow she did mature into an amazing woman, instead of regressing into a childlike state of "mememememe!", like Ranka did. So, even objectively, Sheryl is a better person than Ranka. Hell, Sheryl doesnīt even have convenient amnesia to forget her sucky past, like Ranka, who most of the time was just in a loving home. How some people always conveniently forget this here much discussed fact... itīs as if they had some agenda and were trying to push it on everybody. Tshk.
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2008-09-29, 04:09 | Link #922 |
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After watching with subs for a few times I guess the episode is not bad. What really blinded me was the triangle which wasn't fully resolved. But I still think that the overal experiance will be rated when I see the final episode/movie.
At least I have something to look forward to =)
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2008-09-29, 04:32 | Link #923 | ||||||||
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Subtle hints/homages are for those who understand the Macross franchise, Macross Frontier is a 25th anniversary special after all. If you don't see them, its probably because you don't understand them. Quote:
How can we honestly give you credibility when you switch opinions every other ep when something seems to be going one way as opposed to the other? Quote:
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1) I don't hate either, either. 2) So you shipped Ranka then pre 21, good for you. 3) And then you changed your stance to Sheryl after ep 21, great. 4) I addressed the subtle hints issue above. 5) There you are speculating for Ranka. 6) That is also speculation considering Alto's dialogue in ep 23. 7) I beg to differ, Sheryl's disease was her greatest weakness because so many things could have gone wrong. I already addressed the issue of pity above. 8) And while Ranka was all nice nice in a good home with her onii-chan, Sheryl was digging through the dumpsters by herself, ignoredon Galaxy. Tell me now, how did Sheryl turn out? Not bashing anyone, but take that into perspective. 9) There we have you changing your opinion again. So in the end, you clearly shipped one girl or the other at different points in time up until the very end of ep 25. At which point you believe that the whole LT magically reset and that Sheryl and Ranka are on an even level. That statement is definitely not shipper goggles... but that's honestly delusional thinking in the simple fact that you discredit all development in episodes prior.
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2008-09-29, 04:39 | Link #924 |
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Oh ffs Sheryl is in the lead, you don't see the NBA champions the Celtics or Premier League champions Manchester United challenging their runners up, it's them who get challenged! Ranka issuing the challenge in the first place speaks fucking volumes...
While Sheryl is gazing at Alto flying in the sky with a look of contentment and understanding Ranka looks at her and is downcast before she issues the cliche 3rd wheel challenge of "I won't lose". Yeah sure Ranka you won't, and neither will Yoshia from Shana and Siesta from Znt and Tsukiumi from Sekirei, Tessa from FMP and oh god the fucking list goes on. Also people who think Alto saluted both are morons, it was obvious enough on streams and just watching #ggs rip it was painfully obvious. |
2008-09-29, 05:22 | Link #925 | |
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see joachim! Magnuskn is a prime example of a real rabid sheryl fan. Most of them, like you said weren't happy till the last episode came out . now that Alto didn't choose anyone they are claiming victory. |
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2008-09-29, 05:33 | Link #926 | |
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Give me some real evidence which points towards him tilting again towards Ranka, or stop stating the "They didnīt showed Alto choosing one girl, so itīs a draw." argument.
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2008-09-29, 06:18 | Link #928 | ||
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the last 4 in the list were the last time that my pairing won. Kashimashi is a weird case, but i still won at the very end. I am going to ask you a question.... Do you think sheryl won after episode 25? I think nobody won at the end. For the most, sheryl's fan believe that until otherwise stated, that sheryl won. I am not sure what Ranka's fan believe because they have not been as vocal, last thing i heard was that some were saying that Alto chose ranka because he was reaching with his right hand and Ranka was on the right Quote:
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2008-09-29, 06:24 | Link #929 | |||
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Edit: To be specific, homages (DYRL and TV alike), cultural references, as well as BGM and others. And admit it, we all got trolled... I as a Sheryl fan was steeling myself for a Ranka ending but instead got a lame no conclusion. That affected me more than if Ranka would have won. Also, you're a prime example of SK's troll mastery. You jumped ship when things didn't work with Ranka and boarded the the Sheryl ship. Then in the end you jumped both ships due to SK's trolling and can't comprehend the fact that the triangle was over in ep 24 and it was only more subtly confirmed in ep 25 by salute homage. Quote:
How she's going to pull a victory out of that is beyond me. That would be the biggest "wtf" upset in LT history. Quote:
Sheryl ships didn't believe it was over in ep 22 or ep 23 because of the context in which ep 22's Sheryl x Alto scene played. By all means, 23 actually instilled a lot of doubt into some of us. But then Ep 24 came along and remedied the ep 22/23 doubt. Ep 25 then served to reinforce ep 24 and Sheryl's x Alto's bond. To me, Sheryl ships can't claim outright victory, but we can sure put up a damn good front as to why because of what has been given/hinted to us in actual scenes... and also by Kawamori's own preferences from history.
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2008-09-29, 06:32 | Link #931 | |
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Still waiting for any evidence which points towards Ranka, and not towards Sheryl...
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2008-09-29, 06:46 | Link #933 | ||||
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Which is why trying to discredit someone because they're a shipper, specifically Tak and Magnus, is like the "pot calling the kettle black". How long will it be before you try to discredit me because I have opposing opinions and ship Sheryl? Quote:
As for me, I am with the majority who believe that the LT is already over... with maybe a tiny, minuscule hint of doubt due to Kawamori's mastery at trolling. Quote:
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Kawamori's a troll alright, but stupid? Most definitely not.
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2008-09-29, 06:54 | Link #934 |
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What I want is some evidence which points to Sheryl not having won. If there is, and it is compelling, I donīt see why I couldnīt accept it.
Saying "Sheryl didnīt win, because Kawamori chose to not show it in the final episode" is too thin, because going by everything preceding ep 24, she already had it in the bag. Just not saying it outright, but never giving Ranka a leg up to get to even ground ( which didnīt happen in ep 25 ), is not enough.
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2008-09-29, 07:13 | Link #935 |
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Wow, this not having a clear winner really has you shipper's panties in a wad. Can we expect more of this debate to last till the movie comes out next year some time? Cause I don't know if you guys will be able to survive the flaming war. Mutually assured destruction of spirit in the end.
BTW no one has won. Sheryl has the favor. Ranka is behind. But the race is technically not over. You can speculate all you want but until Kawamori sings like a canary it's all up in the air with a Sheryl favorable wind. |
2008-09-29, 07:35 | Link #937 |
et tu, brute?
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i gave up,even my argument was being used against my own camp.. you are evil golth
Just to let you know, i myself think sheryl has not won "yet", but to say the triangle was being reseted, i have to disagree, its still in sheryl favour what i was saying about even some sheryl fans didn't agree with your opinion that the LT was over in eps 23, its just to illustrate how you who looked like shipping sheryl since eps 23 (of course you're not.. you are a neutral right?) and didn't like how sheryl fans now concluding that sheryl has greater favour in LT than ranka was actually doing the same thing from episode 23 until now which somehow changed your whole opinion and you started to force them on like i said before.. its nice eh being neutral, attacking any camps at your own will |
2008-09-29, 07:44 | Link #938 | |
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2008-09-29, 08:04 | Link #939 | ||
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I came in banging on doors due to some failings on both sides of the fence. And the fact that well... trying to discredit someone because they're a shipper, even though they have good points, is pretty much bs in its highest form. Quote:
Which is why the Sheryl camp, even though ahead, can't outright, 100% for sure, proclaim Sheryl's win.
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