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Eratas123 · 2013-04-27, 20:02

I'm trying to make a logical approach here: Kazuma has imprints on how to fight so he obviously knows how to use a gun. However, the problem lies with Saito. Not only is he a teenager, he's a teenager in Japan; one of the most gun absent countries due to strict gun control. My original plan was as Senpai said - He shoots the gun and then, when it runs out of ammo, he chucks it at whoever he's aiming at because he never learned how to reload.

demino_hellsin · 2013-04-27, 20:04

That works too. Panicked youth.

StratoSpear · 2013-04-27, 20:04

Reading that made me think that Saito would be the CEO of Tediore Corp in Borderlands, Borderlands 2 specifically, since Tediore guns are meant to be thrown once outta bullets

But I'm kinda lost on the baddies here, Madoka against Tabane? How do they even find her lab in the first place?

ZeroXSEED · 2013-04-27, 20:07

Err, wasn't it Tabane who raid PT base?

StratoSpear · 2013-04-27, 20:09

Oh? Shit, I read that wrong then. Thanks for the clear up!

The mentioning of the US Army does have me thinking though... What they heck are they after?

Eratas123 · 2013-04-27, 20:10

They're following orders; that's the gist of it. Really, most grunts have no idea why they're being ordered.

ZeroXSEED · 2013-04-27, 20:13

@ Stratos
I'm not certain either, sorry, it might be me who's messed up.

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As for the mention of Murikans, I think it's probably typical issue of MURIKA ARE SELFISH, GREEDY COUNTRY.

I wish I'm kidding, but Japanese writer liked that idea. Gate is one of the worst offender

StratoSpear · 2013-04-27, 20:13

More liberties to take then. Thing is, in Athena the Gospel gets captured TWICE. First it was "captured" after the CCs beat it, second is by another group that would attack the base it's kept in, after Madoka gets driven away.

I'd think that the US would at least send special forces to recover it... by force.

ZeroXSEED · 2013-04-27, 20:17

Mine paint America in a lot more neutral light, more or less. They also indebted to I.S.A. (especially ichika) for saving Gospel twice.

In V6 Arc, Ichika did a dynamic entry on PT Raiders... from orbit

Eratas123 · 2013-04-27, 20:31

How did the soldiers even beat Tatenashi? Seems kinda odd given the whole "IS/Power suits can level cities" we've been constantly force-fed since V1. Now a group of government spec-ops can beat them?

ZeroXSEED · 2013-04-27, 20:36

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Originally Posted by Eratas123

How did the soldiers even beat Tatenashi? Seems kinda odd given the whole "IS/Power suits can level cities" we've been constantly force-fed since V1. Now a group of government spec-ops can beat them?

Hence I prefer to think Tate in Chifuyu suit, not I.S., and caught of guard, they have stealth advantage too.

And I distinctly remember two years ago: Military is NOT stupid, NOT static. They knew I.S., they always have theory how to fight it even if Tabane claimed it's impossible to win.

The 'fight' in V6 against Madoka is incredibly stupid tho. Peashooter and T-shirt BDU, wtf Izuru.

As hax as she is, she's no Chifuyu level.

Eratas123 · 2013-04-27, 20:45

Given that the suit powers you up to the point that you can fight an IS, its kinda hard to buy it can be beaten by a blowtorch.

Ah well, at least the standing male armies aren't shown as "Losing horribly in three days" like the students claim

I can imagine a few power tripping authors to use this as "justification" for making male OC's.

demino_hellsin · 2013-04-27, 20:46

Maybe the past publishers were well aware of Izuru's writing tendencies. That's why they wanted to restrict him to IS. As of now he's just churning out plot after plot related depowerization of IS. I think he should've finished fleshing it out first. Or at least has it flesh out during fight with non-IS, which hopefully he does in Vol. 8. Senseless curbstomping each other is not the answer @_@

ZeroXSEED · 2013-04-27, 20:51

That, or government want people to believe that.

Misleading propaganda, they say. I.S. prevent all out war from breaking up, after all.

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Here's my analysis

> I.S. are fast, faster than jet at higher altitude
> I.S. are heavily protected, probably more than a tank.
> I.S. carry something like a platoon of infantry can

But they are not invincible

Inside a corridor their speed meant nothing, their durability will soon wither under heavy fire from antitank weaponry. It's only way to win is to butcher the enemy as soon as possible.

Assuming it CAN, being trapped in a corridor and all.

Not to mention of possibility of using I.S. technology in other wargear, I.S. frame and weaponry aren't made of magic after all, just powered by one.

So yeah, I've said something like this since the first day.

demino_hellsin · 2013-04-27, 20:56

"There's nothing magical about it. You take out the heart, you bring down the beast."

I never believed for a second they were invincible >.>

StratoSpear · 2013-04-27, 20:57

I'll just quote Sargeant Johnson here:

"They're tough but they ain't invicible!"

Another question, how would one react to seeing this in the IS-verse?

ZeroXSEED · 2013-04-27, 21:00

One more

I.S. are CHEAP

They're expensive to build, but the only thing you need is a healthy skilled pilot and it's all go.

In comparison you need anywhere from USD 2.000-15.000 to maintain a jet fighter per flight hour operation. 25.000-1.500.000 per missile to shot the enemy with. And something like crew of 10-20 to do the job.

demino_hellsin · 2013-04-27, 21:14

The non-existent maintenance definitely makes them cheaper and easier but I think there should be more to it than that.

I'll probably use ISRI to expand on IS since Izuru won't do it.

ZeroXSEED · 2013-04-27, 21:23

I forgot to add: At least one programmer to keep I.S. at maximum growth

The only hard limit is the production of I.S. core.

Anyway, going to expand it as well myself.

Eratas123 · 2013-04-27, 22:42

At the pool right now and bored as hell. Here's hoping ai get fic inspirations.

2013-04-27, 20:02	Link #42121
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	I'm trying to make a logical approach here: Kazuma has imprints on how to fight so he obviously knows how to use a gun. However, the problem lies with Saito. Not only is he a teenager, he's a teenager in Japan; one of the most gun absent countries due to strict gun control. My original plan was as Senpai said - He shoots the gun and then, when it runs out of ammo, he chucks it at whoever he's aiming at because he never learned how to reload. __________________

2013-04-27, 20:04	Link #42123
StratoSpear Titans Test Team Pilot Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Elysium	Reading that made me think that Saito would be the CEO of Tediore Corp in Borderlands, Borderlands 2 specifically, since Tediore guns are meant to be thrown once outta bullets But I'm kinda lost on the baddies here, Madoka against Tabane? How do they even find her lab in the first place? __________________ "You cannot be bad at watching a movie. You cannot be bad at listening to an album. ...But you can be bad at playing a videogame, and the game will punish you and deny you access to the rest of the videogame."

2013-04-27, 20:07	Link #42124
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	Err, wasn't it Tabane who raid PT base? __________________

2013-04-27, 20:09	Link #42125
StratoSpear Titans Test Team Pilot Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Elysium	Oh? Shit, I read that wrong then. Thanks for the clear up! The mentioning of the US Army does have me thinking though... What they heck are they after? __________________ "You cannot be bad at watching a movie. You cannot be bad at listening to an album. ...But you can be bad at playing a videogame, and the game will punish you and deny you access to the rest of the videogame."

2013-04-27, 20:10	Link #42126
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	They're following orders; that's the gist of it. Really, most grunts have no idea why they're being ordered. __________________

2013-04-27, 20:04	Link #42122
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	That works too. Panicked youth.

2013-04-27, 20:13	Link #42127
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	@ Stratos I'm not certain either, sorry, it might be me who's messed up. -------------- As for the mention of Murikans, I think it's probably typical issue of MURIKA ARE SELFISH, GREEDY COUNTRY. I wish I'm kidding, but Japanese writer liked that idea. Gate is one of the worst offender __________________

2013-04-27, 20:13	Link #42128
StratoSpear Titans Test Team Pilot Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Elysium	More liberties to take then. Thing is, in Athena the Gospel gets captured TWICE. First it was "captured" after the CCs beat it, second is by another group that would attack the base it's kept in, after Madoka gets driven away. I'd think that the US would at least send special forces to recover it... by force. __________________ "You cannot be bad at watching a movie. You cannot be bad at listening to an album. ...But you can be bad at playing a videogame, and the game will punish you and deny you access to the rest of the videogame."

2013-04-27, 20:17	Link #42129
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	Mine paint America in a lot more neutral light, more or less. They also indebted to I.S.A. (especially ichika) for saving Gospel twice. In V6 Arc, Ichika did a dynamic entry on PT Raiders... from orbit __________________

2013-04-27, 20:31	Link #42130
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	How did the soldiers even beat Tatenashi? Seems kinda odd given the whole "IS/Power suits can level cities" we've been constantly force-fed since V1. Now a group of government spec-ops can beat them? __________________

2013-04-27, 20:45	Link #42132
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Given that the suit powers you up to the point that you can fight an IS, its kinda hard to buy it can be beaten by a blowtorch. Ah well, at least the standing male armies aren't shown as "Losing horribly in three days" like the students claim I can imagine a few power tripping authors to use this as "justification" for making male OC's. __________________

2013-04-27, 20:46	Link #42133
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	Maybe the past publishers were well aware of Izuru's writing tendencies. That's why they wanted to restrict him to IS. As of now he's just churning out plot after plot related depowerization of IS. I think he should've finished fleshing it out first. Or at least has it flesh out during fight with non-IS, which hopefully he does in Vol. 8. Senseless curbstomping each other is not the answer @_@

2013-04-27, 20:51	Link #42134
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	That, or government want people to believe that. Misleading propaganda, they say. I.S. prevent all out war from breaking up, after all. --- Here's my analysis > I.S. are fast, faster than jet at higher altitude > I.S. are heavily protected, probably more than a tank. > I.S. carry something like a platoon of infantry can But they are not invincible Inside a corridor their speed meant nothing, their durability will soon wither under heavy fire from antitank weaponry. It's only way to win is to butcher the enemy as soon as possible. Assuming it CAN, being trapped in a corridor and all. Not to mention of possibility of using I.S. technology in other wargear, I.S. frame and weaponry aren't made of magic after all, just powered by one. So yeah, I've said something like this since the first day. __________________

2013-04-27, 20:56	Link #42135
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	"There's nothing magical about it. You take out the heart, you bring down the beast." I never believed for a second they were invincible >.>

2013-04-27, 20:57	Link #42136
StratoSpear Titans Test Team Pilot Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Elysium	I'll just quote Sargeant Johnson here: "They're tough but they ain't invicible!" Another question, how would one react to seeing this in the IS-verse? __________________ "You cannot be bad at watching a movie. You cannot be bad at listening to an album. ...But you can be bad at playing a videogame, and the game will punish you and deny you access to the rest of the videogame."

2013-04-27, 21:00	Link #42137
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	One more I.S. are CHEAP They're expensive to build, but the only thing you need is a healthy skilled pilot and it's all go. In comparison you need anywhere from USD 2.000-15.000 to maintain a jet fighter per flight hour operation. 25.000-1.500.000 per missile to shot the enemy with. And something like crew of 10-20 to do the job. __________________

2013-04-27, 21:14	Link #42138
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	The non-existent maintenance definitely makes them cheaper and easier but I think there should be more to it than that. I'll probably use ISRI to expand on IS since Izuru won't do it.

2013-04-27, 21:23	Link #42139
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	I forgot to add: At least one programmer to keep I.S. at maximum growth The only hard limit is the production of I.S. core. Anyway, going to expand it as well myself. __________________

2013-04-27, 22:42	Link #42140
Eratas123 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	At the pool right now and bored as hell. Here's hoping ai get fic inspirations. __________________