2007-02-12, 12:07 | Link #21 |
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This thread will have a short time of life....one thing about the Oro comment..that was referring Itachi is stronger than He is and after that Sentence Orochmaru said thats the reason why He left Akatsuki.
To Put the Sentence in a way you can understand: Orochimaru Left Akatsuki because Itachi was/is stronger than Him. and as Stated, Oro left Akatsuki 7 years ago, Oro words were not based on his current state.
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2007-02-12, 12:27 | Link #22 | |
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Why make a thread about being "sick and tired" of Itachi vs. Yondaime arguements when you contradict yourself by stating how freakin' awesome the Yondaime is? It makes you sound like kinda flame bait. |
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2007-02-12, 12:33 | Link #23 | |
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Any of these strength related discussion thread, or a versus argument thread always leads to a lot of grief, insult, harrassment, and trolling from both sides of the argument. I took the liberty to merge the newly created "You say Itachi is stronger..." thread with this to serve it as a reminder how pointless this kind of discussion can be. We have one too many threads on Itachi to allow any more Itachi related threads.
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2007-02-12, 16:59 | Link #25 | |
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2007-02-12, 17:16 | Link #26 | |
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"Itahci is stronger than me, that’s why I left That Organization" Now, We don’t know if This was due to Oro been Egoistical about Itachi been stronger than him, or because he tried to take over Itachi, but he got his ass kicked; the majority of people here Believes its the second choice. And Then, We dont know if Jiraiya is stronger than Itachi, I think this thread needs to be closed before this turns into an ugly scene.
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2007-02-12, 17:21 | Link #27 |
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Creating a thread like this would be someting like saying;
I'm so god damn tired of all these Naruto + Sakura, Sasuske + Sakura, Shimamaru + Temari, who cares? It's a stupid animè, we watch the cool ninjas fight, it's not a friggin love story, go buy a romance novel! And besides everyone knows it's gonna be Naruto and Hinata in the end anyways!
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2007-02-12, 17:30 | Link #29 |
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i just watched episode 81 again and Orochimaru said if i could have gotten a hold of Uchiha Itachi to begin with, there would not have been a problem. But that is an impossible dream NOWWWWW, he is stronger than me. That's it , he didn't say that's y i left the organization. Next time just correct me if i'm wrong and don't say i'm watching a different story cuz u just made up something in the story which does not exist, that is why all the people believe that Oro left the Akatsuke because Itachi is stronger!!! How about the leader then , isn't he the strongest of them all !!!! Oro has his own plans, nothing about any clash between him and itachi was stated. Y did he wait for his arms to vanish to say that Itachi is stronger NOW ? Who do you think is stronger Jiraya or Orochimaru ? if you answer this question you will definitely know that Orochimaru is stronger than Itachi
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2007-02-12, 17:52 | Link #30 | ||||
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In the Manga is Chapter 140 page 6 say this, take note on the sentence and the ideas: “If we could had gotten a Hold of Itachi we would'nt had any problem, but that is an impossible dream…” “Because He is Even stronger than me.. That’s why I left that organization” In other words, yeah, You are Seen another story. Quote:
And as this series has shown you, the leader doesn’t have to be the strongest person in the group. Quote:
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Spoiler for Manga:
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2007-02-12, 18:11 | Link #31 |
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Hmm...I like Yondaime vs XXX comic character more than what this thread really is about.
How about Itachi? can he also defeat/be defeated by most xxx comic characters? Like The Flash? Batman? Supes? Doomsday? Maybe whoever can defeat the most/strongest comic characters should be the stronger one. Personally, I think Yondaime can defeat Batman, I mean, sure Batman is a genius, but how can he possibly know all of Yellow Flash's ninjutsus? Surely the element of surprise should be able to defeat the almighty Batman. Similarly, Itachi should be able to own Batman pretty easily too...unless Batman wears some sort of super sunglasses, in which case, it's a whole diff' story. I don't see how Yondaime could defeat Supes or Hulk, but maybe Itachi, with his illusionary world of DOOM, may put a dent in Supes' morale. Hulk would just get mad and smash Itachi's illusion world. In that sense, maybe Itachi's Tsukiyomi is better than Yondie's Hiraishin. |
2007-02-12, 18:29 | Link #32 |
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I thought, posting a part of a scan (just like posting a part of a translation or the original lines) is permitted to provide information during a discussion (translation might also be considered to have equal value as the picture itself).
Maybe, mods will help clarify that. |
2007-02-12, 19:13 | Link #33 | |
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Of course, there are sometimes when you cant show something graphical without including the Text, because editing this page could tamper with what oyu want to show, this are permitted. Nightwish was the one that clarified that for me some months ago, you can ask him for more details.
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2007-02-12, 19:18 | Link #34 | |
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Read more about it here. edit: After reading Rurik's post, I'll inquire about it a bit more. For now, I'll permit Rurik to post that page if he wants. I'm curious about that development too. In the anime, Oro definitely doesn't specifically say he got out of the Akatsuki because of Itachi.
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2007-02-12, 19:59 | Link #35 |
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Let me clarify:
The manga is licensed so, in general, full page scans and translations, or information about sites with such content, are expressly forbidden. This is your starting point, if you are unsure... start with this assumption.
However, we're not trying to stop you talking about the manga, which we understand is a visual medium and often needs visual elements to fully explain itself. So, from this assumption you can start to think about the "fair-use" concept. Our position is roughly as Rurik described: If the point you are trying to make cannot be made without a visual example, we are probably going to allow you to make a post containing a partial page scan. Partial. In other words, a crop of the page. Provided it does not contain edits aimed at translating the content from its official print form. That is, if it was printed in Japanese, it must remain so. Likewise, if it is from the official English release of the manga, we are not worried about the speech being readable in English. What you are NOT permitted to post under any circumstances is a FAN translated version of the page. In rare cases a sensible crop (to focus on your point) might not be possible, we understand this too. If a full page is really the only way to explain your point them so be it. Such posts will probably be acceptable if kept to a minimum. Now, if the point you are trying to make requires not visual element... then posting the image simply isn't needed. If you want to quote some of the text, then that is fine... just don't quote whole pages or chapters verbatim. The important point here is that we want to avoid the dissemination of anything that allows people to avoid the purchase of an official English release, while still promoting meaningful discussion. I think it's pretty straight forward... but if you're not sure just ask Only... not in this thread please |
2007-02-12, 20:05 | Link #36 |
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Here it is, I borrowed it from an Old post made by Shuriken Jay....
---- So, for the love of God..Can I or Can't I post the Page--- One Important note, by that time, I asked for a re-translation on this page because I didn't find the word "JOIN" as proper. Part for the words been used here should be as this scan, however the correct translation as I asked NJT about, it has "If we had gotten Hold of Itachi..." as I think this is Referring to Oro using Itachi as a Body container and not Itachi fighting Alongside Oro's forces. As People Who don't know who is NJT, NJT is a Poster of Another forum that has a very high reputation when it comes to correcting Incorrect translation. Monir, in the meantime...Yes in the Manga After he say "Itachi is stronger than me" then he go on And say "Thats why I left the organization", there is pause between this two sentences, However, On how the Sentences are made up, there wasn't any Intention of the author to leave why Oro left Akatsuki forr for interpretation, or so it seems. Basically what I posted earlier is what the translated Chapter say. and it is Page 5 of chapter 140
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I have posted after I checked the forum rules, recalled my experiences in this forum, and observed the conflict there, which is mainly caused by the exceptions that are considered within the fair-use concept. However, since anyone can experience the same kind of conflict and still not sure about which path to take, I would suggest an update to the general forum rules, since it is the first place people check and it is not as detailed as your post. Quote:
However, if I am not mistaken, because of the god protection Itachi is blessed with, we have not received a response from a native Japanese speaker to put the final dot on the translation of the given sentence. I still consider the sentence as having a meaning somewhere between being stronger and not being stronger (mainly because of the pause that can lead to different directions acceptably in different languages). |
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2007-02-12, 22:09 | Link #38 |
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Thanks for the clarification, NightWish!
Yes you can, provided the page is RAW and it doesn't give away any information regarding who scanned it , and what not. It would be even better if you can crop the image just to display the specific, or in this case, the image that shows Oro's admission of "he left Akatsuki because of Itachi." That said, you cannot post any image of scantalation.
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2007-02-12, 23:28 | Link #39 | |
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I would love to the Yondaime and the Flash go at it. They'd need to get out the high speed camera. The yondaime could beat Itachi if he just keeps his eyes closed the whole time. Yeah... that's a fool proof plain right there. |
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2007-02-13, 10:04 | Link #40 | |
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Also, I don’t think you have to be the best translator in the universe, to notice the difference between a sentence that implies He is stronger than me, and He isn’t stronger than me. As in Fact: Spoiler:
At this point in the game denying that Itachi is stronger than Orochimaru, is just denying a fact. Now you can debate about the pause between Orochimaru saying Itachi is stronger than Him, and when he say He left Akatsuki, as to debate that Itachi wasn’t the reason for Oro left Akatsuki.
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