2008-10-02, 16:57 | Link #3301 |
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So McCain's pulling out of Michigan. It's not like it was really friendly territory for him, but it was within 1% at the height of his bounce. This ties in to what I said earlier -- having states that McCain can't afford to lose (like Florida) so close hurts McCain even if Obama doesn't end up winning them, because it forces McCain to pull away from the attack elsewhere to play defense.
I'm sure that the fact that the McCain campaign realized they have to start pouring money into Florida now is part of what made them pull advertising in Michigan. |
2008-10-02, 17:22 | Link #3302 | |
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Sooo will she sell more or less books if Obama wins? How much does she stand to gain monetarily if she sells more books? See a pattern yet? |
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2008-10-02, 17:58 | Link #3304 |
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Why not wait until after the debate to talk about how she did as a moderator? It's going to start real soon, and it's not like it's about to get called off now... It'll be easy to judge how she did after we've actually, you know, seen her in action.
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2008-10-02, 18:51 | Link #3306 |
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Here's a gem about McCain pulling out from Michigan:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archi...2/1481177.aspx While it's certainly possible for McCain to win all those states, to claim Obama is on the defensive right now is some crazy spinning. If this is Obama's defense, I don't even want to imagine how badly he'd beat McCain if he went on the offensive. |
2008-10-02, 20:31 | Link #3307 |
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I had to turn off the debate. I've had a bad day already and this isn't helping my stress levels.
I only saw five minutes or so on the economy. My general impression... What I saw reminded me of the 2004 presidential debates: The Democrat presenting the most twisted, dishonest presentation of both sides stances to pander and the Republican candidate sticking to ineffective, pre-built lines that do little to nothing to correct the record or actually describe the platform in any adequate way at all. I wish Sarah Palin were better prepared and I wish some one would punch Joe Biden in the mouth.
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2008-10-02, 20:34 | Link #3308 |
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Watching the debate right now. Surprisingly, Palin has yet to make a full moron of herself ( but is lying a lot instead ). So far Bidens answers have been a barrage of information ( some good, some not ) , and Palins answers have just been attempts to make McCain look better.
EDIT - nevermind, she just made a retard of herself with the same-sex questions. gg. :P DOUBLE EDIT - She's also using alot of obviously pre-written criticisms against Obama such as the whole "Meeting with dictators without precondition" even though Obama already answered this stuff back in his debate with McCain...very repetitive of last debate. Overall pretty much a repeat from both sides on their views. Biden used a couple too. Last edited by Edgewalker; 2008-10-02 at 20:59. |
2008-10-02, 21:44 | Link #3316 |
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She did a lot better than I expected. Some of her question-avoiding in the middle section really had me cringing, but she strengthened up towards the end, pandered to the usual rhetoric (I'm a hockey mom, just like all of you in middle America), and avoided making too many of the nonsensical gaffes that have plagued her TV interviews. Biden "won" the debate, but not by as much as he needed to. Anything less than a total destruction was always going to reflect well on Palin, considering the low expectations most had of her before going in.
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2008-10-02, 21:48 | Link #3317 |
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Biden seems like he just made up a bunch of lies and it also seems like he had the questions before hand...im not saying he did but it seems alot like it even if he did have questions before hand Palin held her own very good up there against him
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2008-10-02, 21:49 | Link #3318 |
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Biden came out looking more impressive than ever. He was always sticking to policy while also never letting up the attack on McCain and his political positions.
Palin, on the other hand, seemed a bit too nervous and unfortunately, did not convince. No doubt she's under considerable pressure given how there were growing dissent within the Republican ranks over her qualifications. I really didn't like it when she deviated from answering the moderator's questions and frankly, most of her answers lacked substance. |
2008-10-02, 21:50 | Link #3320 |
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Just finished watching the debate, and I have to say, Palin did better than I thought. So did Biden for that matter, as neither one of them made any major gaffs. There were a few minor things, but nothing that should stick out too far. Still I don't think Palin did much to sell her position. She came off sounding like she was just reading off a script in her mind and stuck to soundbites. Biden did a bit better, and did a better job selling his points. Both of them had moments that I had to say, "hey wait a second..." on though. I'd have to give this one to Biden over all.
The one thing that stuck out in my mind was Palin's call for moving the embassy in Israel to Jerusalem. That would be a major PR blow against the US in the muslim world. Also while I agree with her call for a two state solution to the Israelli/Palestinian problem, as that's really the only thing that can be done, I wonder how that will play with the religious right. Sure even Bushy's been heaidng in that direction, but I don't remember him outright calling for a two state solution. It may just be stating the obvious, but sometime the obvious hasn't been stated because it needs to be done but won't be very popular with your supporters.
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