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View Poll Results: Macross Frontier - Episode 11 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 32 | 29.36% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 34 | 31.19% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 24 | 22.02% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 12 | 11.01% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 5 | 4.59% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 0.92% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.92% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2008-06-24, 00:18 | Link #241 |
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I just cannot accept how 00 portrayed their brand of 'politics', as if history taught the producers absolutely nothing about how you cannot stop a war with another war!
Never mind that the political system in 00 will never work, especially with the Chinese-centered political entity is concerned. Regardless of that, the CB had the nerve to piss off every known power in the world, with nothing more than 4 (later 7) mobile machines only at the end have the rest of the world gang up against them. Does it take a rocket-scientist to even predict that? Worse, the CB was acting all surprised about it. Yet, as an audience, I was dumbfounded and speechless. I mean, duh! - Tak Last edited by Tak; 2008-06-24 at 00:36. |
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If Galaxy Folded away, it wouldn't have gotten very far due to the distortion. If it was destroyed it, there would have been a debris field. If it survived, they should have reestablished communications. That leaves two possiblities; Galaxy was captured or Galaxy survived, but doesn't want to be found for whatever reason. Quote:
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Not that I minded it at the time, because it was cool when Alto blew the Victor away with the ancient rifle of a long dead and mummified Zentradi Warrior. Seven was even worse. Rather than work together, they seemed to take turns raping the Vajra, and when the shit supposedly hit the fan when the Vajra Battlecruiser showed up, it turned out to be fucking party confetti when Sheryl started her final number and Quarter transformed and rolled out for the climax. Quote:
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2008-06-24, 00:37 | Link #243 | |
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2008-06-24, 01:51 | Link #244 | |
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Now if you take this, and compare to Gundam, you will note the latter has almost no chatter between the pilots, beyond throwing out bits of philosophical statements and random death screams. I don't know how you can even compare the two and call Frontier's combat similar to that of Gundam. Btw, the military in SDF Macross wasn't all that useful, given the show also focused on the elite status of the Skull and later, the Vermillion squadron. - Tak |
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2008-06-24, 02:34 | Link #245 | |||
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As an example, when Misa's operating the Cat Eye in the episode they get captured, they discussed who to send to engage the Battlepods lurking just outside their range, and who would remain to protect Misa (they made the stupid decision to abandon her completely, but that's another topic of discussion). They weighed their options, and took a course of action. Frontier by comparison has ass smelling and Alto screaming at Michael to SHOOT! Simple dramatic drivel. Basically they are no longer fighter pilots, but modern Japanese Mecha pilots. If they were actually coordinated, Luca wouldn't have rushed in without any back up, Klan wouldn't have had to wait for help from Michael and Alto when Bresra attacked her, Alto would have had support from Michael and Luca when Klan was trying to shoot him to metaphorical pieces, etc. etc. Quote:
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Not like the bleeping SMS Skull Squadron that flies their precious and invincible (unless Alto's flying them) VF-25s. Mercenary scum. |
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2008-06-24, 04:22 | Link #246 |
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Going to have to chime in and say that much of Macross F has a crew of pilots jerking off and getting screwed through a decided lack of discipline. I'd say it's probably because there isn't an Old Maid somewhere biting the crew when they get out of line The downside of that is the rigid thinking and the inevitable fallout that occurs when said Old Maid is clearly too smart for her own good [like dismissing her escorts -probably to be a better pathfinder>_<].
I suppose that's the biggest difference here between SDF Macross and Macross F, over reaching control against a near total lack of it. Personally, both are bad and the consequences either way have been tragic. If someone challenged me in a big blue death machine during a combat OP, I'd not only be offended, I'll likely find some way to hit first before getting fragged by my own side. Back to ep11. IMO, the focus of the show has been to look into the what manner of society would develop in the event of tremendous social change. If the zentradi in SDF-M are seen as spartan and militant [and brutally xenophobic to boot], then the society in Macross F can best be described as decadent and wasteful. The entire colony appears to exist like a sort of flying resort with the energy and effort put mainly into environmental control and entertainment. The imbalance is such that the military is effectively crippled when faced with a host of territorial space bugs and the threat of an alien virus [if any ] Right now I'm just waiting for Kawamori to come out and preach some message against rampant commercialisation versus surviving in a decidedly hostile universe. So far he hasn't built his pulpit high enough yet |
2008-06-24, 07:58 | Link #247 |
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Haven't actually watched Macross ever since I watched DYRL eons ago...
Gundam and Macross are intended for their own universes, and they have their own unique problems and strengths. I mean, there ARE people on this board who do like both Gundam and Macross, and they seem to have no problems with it whatsoever. Trying to argue what Gundams and Macross' "silly" action sequences or whatever or the fact that they have unbelievable modes or thrust people into deeper modes of disbelief would never be resolved and only serve as fuel to more heated debates about which universe is more "realistic" or not. Back to the discussion, granted that Alto is the protagonist of the show, it was the star of the show - Alto's personality development that is. Choosing Gallia 4 has never been an LOL SHERYL END nor does it say that if he decides to stay with Ranka, he'll never be able to achieve that dream of his. Really, sorry, not a Sheryl end if he so chooses Gallia 4, he just simply chose it for the sake to get away from parental issues, or in Mikhail's terms, "running away from his past". But he did take extra care to send Mikhail off to Ranka when he can't make it, at least he cared enough to do that thing for Ranka. If Alto was just being a total jerk that he is he wouldn't have done anything of that sort. Or that he wouldn't have had a very hard time deciding about what path he should take - fulfilling his father's wishes, attending the birthday party Ranka and his friends have put up for him, or choosing to fly in a real sky. In the end, we all know that the sky and Alto-hime = true OTP, lol. Spoiler for LOL shipping:
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2008-06-24, 08:14 | Link #249 |
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LOL what? So Ranka could mean that as both a thank you gift and Alto's birthday present. Oh wait, Ranka made those cookies too, we can't forget that. You really can't just pretend all the things that Alto did for Ranka didn't happen, cause it was in the show. If it weren't in the show, then we can start talking about how a birthday present could not also mean a thank you present.
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2008-06-24, 09:01 | Link #252 |
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So here is where you have been hiding all along Tak. I kinda missed you in the Gundam thread.
@ Wesley84 Brera just suddenly appeared out of nowhere, Alto, Mikhail, Luca and Klan DIDN'T expect him to come charging through a somewhat peaceful day of them hunting Vajra nests and collecting samples from them, that's why LOL SURPRISE.
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2008-06-24, 09:04 | Link #253 |
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Ack Enough with the Gundams and the shipping wars what got me interested is what they are going to find in Galia 4.
There must be more to it than an outpost for UN Spacy Zentradi. Remember in their previous talk Leon got from Grace a crystal. Something she is asking for in exchange for the info. There may be some on that planet. Or some Protoculture ruins. Which may explain why the guy who refuses to die (Quamzin) is there. |
2008-06-24, 09:07 | Link #254 | |
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... ... dammit. And I thought I left an impression! Yeah, other than that, 00's so-called 'plot' left me pretty much dumbfounded and speechless. I really don't know just what to say about it, so I left. - Tak |
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2008-06-24, 09:07 | Link #255 |
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Probably so cause Cathy and Ozma weren't too thrilled to hear that the SMS were chosen to escort Sheryl's ship to Gallia 4. And why Brera was sent after Sheryl and Alto as well. It's like Brera is there to prevent Alto from knowing something about what is really going on in there and Grace and Leon can't afford the SMS (Alto) to know about.
@ Tak I found 00 kinda slow in the beginning but the series grew on me nonetheless. Once past the LOL WING COPYPASTA VER 2.0 of the first few eps, it got better, if only for the "villains" of the show and especially that crazy Ali. You have to love "villains" like that. And it got me buying my first MSIA after eons of not collecting mech figurines like that, so yeah, I thank 00 for that, but this should be on the Gundam thread, not here.
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2008-06-24, 12:08 | Link #256 |
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LOL mecha flamewar, and all I was asking was how the action-episode ratio of Frontier compared to older Macross series as well as other mecha series. And, yeah, Onizuka's been silent recently, otherwise this flame war might've been more interesting.
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Of course, we usually settle scores over a nice lil' game such as ANOTHER CENTURY EPISODE III or SUPER ROBOT WARS. Where I have discovered that the lack of homing weapons on a Gundam may just be a VF-19's greatest advantage. - Tak |
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2008-06-24, 15:06 | Link #258 | ||
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Oh that's right...to show off Michael's sniping skills. Quote:
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2008-06-24, 18:04 | Link #260 | |
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Alternately, the fold engine was damaged when Alto went to town on Brera's VF-27, LAI doesn't have the technological capability to jury rig repairs on it, and the booster is a work around. |
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