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Perfect 10 | 4 | 10.26% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 10 | 25.64% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 8 | 20.51% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 7 | 17.95% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 5 | 12.82% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 5.13% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 3 | 7.69% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2013-07-22, 13:05 | Link #101 | |||
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As for the Yandere: It was one of the possible outcomes at that point. Her motive was, as Monokuma stated after the trial, interpersonal relationships. I'm aware its not that same, but hints tendencies, especially if you consider that out of the three videos we know about (Sakura told Naegi what was on her video, right after she saw it in the game, thus only 2 for all anime-only watchers), hers was the tamest. If she decided to kill someone over that video, I don't want to know what would have happened if someone would have taken her mental support inside the academy away. We can't say for sure though, so its schrödinger's cat. Quote:
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Don't forget the special circumstances here. Monokuma clearly intended to provide a motive, and even announced that in advance, resulting in Sayaka being the only one who visibly snapped. And she did not just snap, she first fell off her chair, sank to the floor and loudly annouced that she can't take it anymore. And it didn't stop there. Afterwards she fled the room in panic, and cried for good 10 minutes and made a 'let go of me or I'll make you' - facial expression when found. And note, she was the only one doing the second part. Everyone else was shocked too, but her reaction should ring alarm bells, when Monokuma clearly said he wanted to provide a motive for murder. We can thus asssume that everyone had a very good idea what was on her DVD, not the exact contents but the direct were it went. Monokuma created a situation where having someone observe her over an extended period became equal to caring for their own lives.
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2013-07-22, 20:16 | Link #102 | ||
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Also, hers was the tamest video? This is absolutely incorrect. I'm unable to provide the 'why' however. Quote:
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2013-07-22, 20:31 | Link #103 |
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A yandere is someone that is totally obsessed with another person (usually the male lead). They're a bit like those creepy celebrity stalkers you sometimes hear about on the news. The yandere is so "into" another person that she will terrorize and possibly brutalize/murder anybody that she thinks is getting in the way of her attachment to that person. In extreme cases, the yandere will even go so far as to brutalize/murder the very object of her affections if she feels he's rejecting her.
Textbook case of a yandere - Mirai Nikki's Yuno Gasai. The only way this term would fit Maizono is if she was totally obsessed with Naegi, and wanted to eliminate anybody that she felt was getting between her and him. Maizono did reach out to Naegi early on, but that's for perfectly understandable reasons - He was the only fellow student she recognized, so of course she's going to approach him as he's the only source of comforting familiarity in this entire school for her. Beyond this, and using him to her own ends, Maizono showed no particular attachment to him. So she's not a yandere. A yandere isn't just an anime girl that's snapped. She's someone that's disturbed in a very specific way. That's not Maizono - She just snapped in general. Yes, she could have used some cold water to the face, but she's not a yandere.
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2013-07-22, 20:44 | Link #104 | |
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When he made his decision to kill Sayaka, he didn't even know there would be a trial at the time. Under the assumption that there would be no trial, all you get are preconceived personal notions. All he knew was that compared to himself who walked out unscathed, Sayaka was hurt and had the ability to make herself look appealing. She fooled him and Makoto, so as far as Leon knows she could do it again to the others. All Leon knew at the time was that he was in a bad situation as long as Sayaka was alive, so he felt cornered either way. |
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2013-07-22, 22:25 | Link #105 |
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This show has one of the most experienced cast lists I've ever seen. As more and more young seiyuus get major roles, this show's cast has an average age over 40! The youngest seiyuus are Hikasa Youko an Sawashiro Miyuki, both age 28.
What a cast this is. The star is the actress who played Sailor Uranus and was Ikari Shinji in NGE. We've got the actress who plays Doraemon, and the actor who plays Inuyasha. Shiina Hekiru, now 39, was one of the first idol seiyuus and played Alpha in Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou. The list goes on. I have made a characters/seiyuus page with pics of the characters and their seiyuus, and a bit of info about each seiyuu. Perhaps the pics will help some of us keep everyone straight, lol.
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2013-07-22, 22:31 | Link #106 |
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Thanks for the really neat info and everything, but I think you should put your comment in the voice actor/seiyuu appreciation section in this series sub forum. Just saying because this doesn't really seen relevant in this sub forum.
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2013-07-22, 22:36 | Link #107 | |
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That's a great link! I knew about the Doraemon thing, but when I saw her age... I didn't realize just how long she's been playing that character for. Her being Monokuma is so polar, but she's so fantastic. Perhaps she'll come out of retirement to voice creepy mascot characters for a year or two?
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2013-07-22, 23:15 | Link #108 | ||||
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Thank you both I know what a yandere is, and I also know that there are different kinds of a yandere. If you read my posts again you will see that I never actually said she was one but that it was one of the possible outcomes and that she had tendencies. Quote:
Since this should have happened like in EP 1 and will definitely not happen now: Spoiler for Cut VN dialogue:
And before any further misunderstandings arise: I know its not the same, but if you read my posts closely I always referred to a possibility of her turning into one, if she had survived, not her actualy being one ~ And was also just talking about her having tendencies. It is sad she got killed off instead of some other chars, having her in there longer would have been interesting for the story. Quote:
I also can't say for sure if I'd think the same way if I was a chracter in this anime and their age (leaving the fact aside that I would think what the author wants me to then, for the sake of the argument.) Without any additional material to the first game we know the contents of 3 Videos, and out of those 3 Sayaka's was the tamest.
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2013-07-23, 09:32 | Link #109 | ||
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She was on friendly terms with Naegi before they were given the videos which drove her to attempt to murder Leon. Quote:
To Sayaka however, it's the worst thing that could possibly happen given her occupation. To elaborate on her mindset requires Free Time events outside of the main plot's investigation/murder phases, so you can check for the missing events in the game thread or Klashikari's links in his sig. |
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2013-07-23, 11:52 | Link #110 | |
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2013-07-24, 02:13 | Link #113 |
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Society usually considers people being brutally murdered worse than girl bands splitting up, which is why the former is punished with a lifetime sentence while a prosecutor wouldn't even stand up in the morning for the latter.
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2013-07-24, 02:26 | Link #114 | |
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It's not about what you think, it's about what they think. When you're forced up against a wall with the single presented being murder so that you may get your life back, the value of murder changes significantly. It shouldn't be that hard to understand. Murder isn't murder when you have no choice.
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2013-07-24, 04:42 | Link #115 | |
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Manslaugther is just a privileged form of murder. Self-defense usually doesn't change which delict it is either btw, it only justifies it, 'eliminating' the crimes illicitability for the specific case. You are also only allowed to act against the attacker´, and only for certain rights (life, freedom, physical integrety, property, health) A state of emergency requires that the right one harms weights less than the one one tries to defend. Here you are allowed to act against a third person's rights too, and a larger range of rights, with the limitation of adequancy. Life is an absolutely protected right, and weights thus more than the right of assembly.
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2013-07-24, 05:12 | Link #116 | |
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This is Monokuma's world. This isn't a courtroom. This isn't society. There's no culture here. It's an empty void with an idea and fifteen students inside of it. The whole point is that the society they knew doesn't exist here. There's no punishment for their murders, only rewards. Their lives were stolen from them and they were given incentives to escape, rather than live their lives there or die trying. In reality, there's only two options: Kill, or attempt to flee. Either way, if you're not the killer then you die because someone killed you or you die because someone didn't get caught. For people like Sayaka, waiting isn't an option. She had her precious dreams and her life that she needed to return to, because it would appear that with her gone they've been destroyed. So now she has only one option, the option that she'll be rewarded for. It's really very simple. Obviously she cared a great deal about her life. It's not wise to say her video was the tamest. Perhaps it would be more appropriate to say that, thus far, hers was easily the most effective? Claiming it's tame is laughable, when it caused the first murder to occur.
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2013-07-24, 08:01 | Link #117 | |
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I rolled with Maizono snapping over seeing what happened to her band, but I have to admit that her video seemed mild to me compared to what Naegi saw (or at least thinks he saw) - His entire family getting brutally murdered. And I'm pretty confident in saying that most of society would agree with AC and I on this. Maizono's reaction does suggest to me that the girl may have had underlying psychological issues before even coming to this school. Naegi's overall reactions tells me that he's probably one of the sanest people in this school.
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2013-07-24, 08:14 | Link #118 | |
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I don't know how and I don't know why, but I did not reply to the quote in that post. It's not a stretch, considering what I said doesn't match up with the quote in the slightest. Edit: I noticed one of AC's posts was deleted, and probably the one I had replied to. Some weird substitution by the forum must have occurred. Naegi is obviously the most sane. That shouldn't need pointing out, seeing as it's his super-duper high school skill. He's the most average of the average. The luckster. Technically that makes him the most sane. You say he saw his family being brutally murdered, but he didn't. Just like Sayaka didn't see her friends being killed. Just as well, it's not appropriate to treat Sayaka's idol group like they're just some wishy-washy girls that she wont be seeing anymore. They were just as important to her as Naegi's family is to him. Not to mention, she's not only losing her 'family' but all of her hopes and dreams as well. That's much harsher by any gauge. Plus, like I said, tameness is a matter of perspective to the target. If Sayaka's incentive was so troubling and so disturbing to her that it caused her to attempt murder before every single other person, I can't in good faith call it a tame video. To her, it was the worst possible thing.
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2013-07-24, 09:19 | Link #119 | |||||
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I guess you probably wanted to quote the one where I said Sayaka's was the tamest out of them. (Which is still there), used multible windows and got that one through copy paste instead. Quote:
In Sayaka's video you still see the girls, having no signs of external wounds. Quote:
Then again... Its monokuma I posted that btw, since you already had to explain someone that Leon did not act in self defense. So I decided its better to set the 'Its not even murder if you have no other choice' asap before someone actually thinks that is true. This is Monokuma's world. This isn't a courtroom. This isn't society. There's no culture here. It's an empty void with an idea and fifteen students inside of it. The whole point is that the society they knew doesn't exist here. There's no punishment for their murders, only rewards. Their lives were stolen from them and they were given incentives to escape, rather than live their lives there or die trying. Quote:
She could have simply waited though, rushing out there wouldn't have magically reformed her group either. Its also not a kill or be killed situation, if you stay with someone who will undoubtably not kill someone then its very unlikely to get killed in the first place. Actually even if there was someone who would kill, they wouldn't strike if they are outnumbered by the sheep ~ Wolf and sheep puzzle Quote:
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2013-07-24, 09:38 | Link #120 |
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Spoiler for Yet more discussion.:
At any rate. I'm going to start spoiler tagging any of this discussion for the sake of space. Although we're coming up on Dangan Ronpa Episode 4 discussion, this is probably a more appropriate topic for one of the general threads at this point. At least for me, I think things are starting to come together quite nicely on this topic.
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