(L+CR) Girlish Number

[Harry Dresden]

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

It's not Chitose's fault that the anime stinks. If you want to pin her for being an accomplice to a scam, then technically both Momoka and Kazuha are as well.

They are.

Entire cast has been shown to be extremely flawed and cynical human beings. Kazuha is arguably the most honest and "direct" out of them all and the only one who seems to actually care about being a VA.

Nobody is arguing about Chitose saving the day here. It does not change what lesson it taught her and which skills it improved and showed being important for her. Last episode she was confronted with the idea of being a bad VA, having no talent, etc. A normal and more "generic" show would have had her humble herself and work harder at improving herself. Thankfully this show went in different direction - she simply became became better in putting on facades, using what she can around her. It did not lead to her being a "better VA" or lowering her ego. Instead of the traditional "You have to try and earn your position by actually being good" message Chitose learned "you have to manipulate and fake everything to success" message. Momoka and Kazuha's discussion even highlighted that last episode.

The show avoided turning chitose into cliched goodie two shoes and the show furthered her ego even more now opening up possibilities for Chitose doing worse things. The only thing Chitose cares about is her popularity. What she did here might saved them all but what she did was to save herself. And Right now a little lie there and here and a bit of pretending was needed, but what happens if the project that is tied to her road to fame for her is threatened even more? Chitose has been taught to use everything she can to further her fame. Her fame is what she cares about. And yet the project she is involved is very clearly set up to crash and burn. So will she take up even more Drastic measures then since she learned it is the only way to further her agenda? Will she actually have to do worse things to come out unscathed from this? I sure hope so.

With what happened here, Chitose will most likely have her ego grow even more. I fully expect her to throw somebody under the bus for the sake of her own fame by the end of the show and I can't wait to see what she ends up doing next, because her growing ego and the evolution of her methods is what makes her the most compelling lead this season.

[Benigmatica]

Honestly, it's a bad idea for Kuzu-P and his entertainment agency to go big when the KuuSure anime is shit so far!

As for Chitose, the fact that her ego is currently inflating might turn into a bust. Therefore, she'll have a hard time gaining another role in the future.

[Tenzen12]

Kazuha us elitist, she probably is around same level as Momoka, but refuse do anything but rare minimum required. I can respect that, but putting it on pedestal like you is completely different matter.

Momoka is pretty much most professional here, she can act, interact with fans and is even willing help her kouhai in need and always keep her image. There is no real flaw here.

As for Chitose, she is pretentious, alright. Glory hound? Definitely. Regardless, she did put effort and improved her acting. She also learned full version of song which was NOT required. And still waiting for you explain about that "get everything by manipulating others" which coming pretty much out of nowhere.

[Harry Dresden]

There's no indication of Kuzuha being an elitist. She is simply a proper "old school" voice actress who does not bother with facade nonsense most of the time. What she says is no more "elitist" than chitose's thoughts. She seems to understand and realize how degrading this whole thing is and has enough experience to be disillusioned by it.


Episode 3 outlined TWO ways for Chitose to grow - first being getting actually better at voice acting and second, the one suggested by Momoka, is to copy what is known to be popular from similar roles and appeal towards delivering it the way otaku want to hear her instead of what is good or talented. She chose the path of using what she can find around her to further herself instead of becoming better.

Its literally outlined in Kuzuha and Momoka's conversation bout voice acting, that its not a path to become "better" or improve as VA. Its a path to deliver what is expected of you. Its a path of adapting to surroundings. Chitose is copying popular trends of other VAs in similar roles to play the otaku audience into liking her. She is not "getting better" in terms of her own acting. She is simply using what is already there from others to copy it.

Chitose chose to use how others in similar roles sounded in order to deliver what is expected of her and was rewarded for that. She then used the same in this episode to defuse the situatin and both cases using what she can to manipulate people ends up benefiting her and giving her self-confirmation that it is the right path.

The show makes it very clear that instead of path of self improvement, this sets her on the path of putting up facades and manipulation. And as production progresses the approach and path she chose will require harder and more drastic decisions for her to preserve her road to fame. The end of Ep4 makes VERY clear that Chitose is only interested in fame and does not really care for problems of others.


As for Song - as Momoka and Kuzuha said learning anime OPs is not hard. Most of them are simplistic. And doing what she did night before event is generally frowned upon. The only reason it worked out was because Chitose is clearly very similar person to Kuzu-P - focused on sales and popularity above anything else.

[Tenzen12]

1)Facade is not nonsense. It's requirement. And Kazuha think she is above it. So yeah in a way she is elitist.

2) Chitose did get better by means available to her. This "real acting" is not something she would be able do. Not in time for KuuSuru anyway. Using clichés and patterns serve as good reference points. Chitose is stupid and all these "real acting stuff" are completely beyond her. If she will continue this way she will eventually learn how to act simply by amassing enough experience.

3 Either way her method of acting nor her defusing situation didn't involve manipulating anyone. And there are no hints she is gonna manipulate anyone in future. If something it will r who get manipulated by others due her naive arrogance.

[Harry Dresden]

There are clear hints even in the post airing messages that it will happen tho:

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Puts her reaction to the tweets to a whole different perspective
Likewise the wish she left on a tree is also pretty telling.

[Shadow5YA]

No amount of "good" voice acting will save this anime. Don't forget that Momoka and Kazuha are also doing voicework, and they're not slacking off either.

And in this episode, that is not what they were discussing anyway. What Kazuha was lamenting was the fact that it's their job to market a failed product.

The dilemma is that as seiyuus, it is not their call to say the show they're voicing is bad. If they tell the audience "don't watch this show," they lose their job, and also risk the possibility of other studios refusing to hire them.

That's why in this case, it has nothing to do with Chitose's voice acting as "Yuuna". As far as the song performance goes, she was not mimicking anyone. It was a legitimately a job well done for her, even if KuuSure and Kuzu didn't deserve it.

[chaos_animagic]

Good thing this anime didn't turn out to be "that" anime, lol.

Another thing, somehow "that" anime reminds me of Slayers... not sure why...

[drawr]

Chitose's hubris crushing her will be a sight to see.

[GDB]

Originally Posted by chaos_animagic

Another thing, somehow "that" anime reminds me of Slayers... not sure why...

Because Chitose's character looks like a black market knockoff of Lina Inverse.

[Tormenk]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

Given the situation, Chitose did the right thing. Her reasons for doing the right thing may or may not be good/admirable, but she's doing the right thing. And for a professional, that's what matters most.

Chitose is there to voice-act a particular role, and to do her best in successfully promoting the anime. And she is doing that. Heck, from an outsider's perspective, I would say she's going above and beyond, given how much she's personally connecting with the fans. She is doing that mostly, if not entirely, for reasons of ego-stroking, but honestly, does it matter to the fans? As far as the fans are concerned, they're getting to interact directly with a beloved new seiyu. It's all good for the fans.

It is not Chitose's job, or any seiyu's job, to ensure that an anime has good animation. That's entirely on the production staff, the Director, and/or the animators.

You raised the crux of the episode right here and it's definitely a good point that this episode poses to the audience. Also, I wonder just how badly things will be carried further by Kuzu's gallivanting behaviour before the entire anime production crash and burns.

[grecefar]

Hilarious that sensei repressed his memory of this anime.

[larethian]

What anime?

I wanted to like Chitose for her 'optimism', but her unrealistic expectation of only wanting to hear compliments instead of getting humbled by the comments trashing her turned me off again.

[ices]

Originally Posted by larethian

What anime?

I wanted to like Chitose for her 'optimism', but her unrealistic expectation of only wanting to hear compliments instead of getting humbled by the comments trashing her turned me off again.

I consider it as her being really resilient and thick... Tho, I didn't remember any comments that trashing her. Is it the new episode one?

[Haak]

Originally Posted by Harry Dresden

Which has nothing to do with what I said? And what you said does not in anyway contradict what I said. Chitose did not become more humble or more hardworking. She learned to manipulate people and the success at that increased her ego even more.
Deceit being or not being part of show business does not change the fact that instead of bettering as an idol or humbling her ego, she learned to deceive and manipulate better. She still learned the wrong lesson, one, that alleviated my worries of her growing "softer" or "nicer" and increases chances of her doing even more questionable things.

You are arguing for sake of arguing it seems.

Lol, no. Let's not be melodramatic here. She didn't learn to manipulate anyone. You're making it sound as if she eats babies for lunch but all that happened was that she just learned at being better at a certain style of voice acting that is arguably kinda cheap. And she's too much of a n00b to even realize that it's cheap, because she picked the wrong senpai to get advice from. The episode highlighted both the pros and cons of this: Chitose actually put in more effort and did some serious homework that impressed both her older brother and even Kazuha, but both were also clear that they didn't think it was good for her in the long run (though neither of them seem to have any intention of actually being helpful and explaining that to her). It's also useful for n00bs like her with no experience and little talent because it achieves results quickly and gives her a platform to stand on so that she can actually have the chance to go in a better direction later instead of being stuck at the bottom forever. And her main motivation was to not being a hindrance to anyone, not to manipulate otaku/audiences. Overall it was a net positive in terms of character development but not by much.

As for the current episode, Chitose's misplaced arrogance continues to be amusing but the producer's arrogance certainly isn't, mainly because he is actually causing harm. I'm not sure if I can stomach him getting away with it but given how cynical this show is, I can see it happening and it makes everything even more infuriating.

[Stark700]

Dang, I feel kinda bad for Chitose. She's always so cheerful and enthusiastic but it wasn't pleasant seeing her cry especially with the Internet making fun of her.

[Shadow5YA]

I think the show could have done a better job at showing the difference between Chitose behavior at the handshake event compared to Yae and Koto.

From the nico vid and the list of complaints Gojou was about to show to Chitose at the end, I assume it's implied that she did not leave a good impression on the fans there, but there was so little of them talking to the fans that it's hard to tell if that's the case.


Also, while it's amusing to see Chitose crash and burn partially because she's cute and partially because she does have to deal with the consequences of her mistakes, Kuzu is incredibly grating since he has avoided taking any real heat so far and just showed it off to his assistant. I really hope Kuzu gets taken down by the end of this season

[Yamada II]

Episode 5

Gojou was a talented seiyuu but one of his drama CDs didn't sell at all. The reason could be that it was good stuff but the creators saw no profit in it so they marketed it like shit. Chitose's first anime OP is selling 10,000 discs and she's bragging about it to no end and comparing this success to Gojou's apparent failure so that she can get him to praise her.

Chitose is so happy throughout this episode and is telling everyone else to be happy too since the OP is selling good. The anime blu-rays are also selling with many losers showing up to get their copies. But she's being made fun of for her crappie work on the internet and that hits her really hard. She's getting a reality check here. She isn't as perfect as she thinks she is. There were also complaints from the takes because she wasn't doing good enough. The anime being shit is because of the work of these newbies along with a lot of other things. People are feeling sorry for the seiyuus for working on crap but the three main seiyuus are also crap themselves and are playing their part in ruining the anime.

Lol how Kadokura went into denial about the existence of a Kuusure anime. That's how terrible that anime is. People don't even want to acknowledge its existence lol. The publishers want him to speed up and bring out the next volumes because of the anime, but Kadokura couldn't care less about that insult to his LN.

All this negative attention Chitose is getting should have a big effect on her unless she decides to go into denial and doesn't improve which is also entirely possible given her sky high ego and all. She is already thinking of herself as a pro and wants everyone around to praise her despite her crappie performances.

[alex_drian]

Originally Posted by Stark700

Dang, I feel kinda bad for Chitose. She's always so cheerful and enthusiastic but it wasn't pleasant seeing her cry especially with the Internet making fun of her.

In fact, yes, is pleasant, no better cure like a taste of reality

[Harry Dresden]

Kind of disappointing really.

It makes sense that her ego would be hurt by critique, but I certainly hope the pattern continues and she bounces back stronger and more selfish than ever instead of the anime going off the predictable and cheesy path of "humbling" Chitose and thus ruining her character. That would really be against show's message to be honest and we already know that Popularity is everything to Chitose so seeing her harden and get more drastic would make sense.