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View Poll Results: Toradora! - Episode 24 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 93 | 42.86% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 50 | 23.04% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 22 | 10.14% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 17 | 7.83% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 7 | 3.23% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 0.92% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 5 | 2.30% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 5 | 2.30% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 4 | 1.84% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 12 | 5.53% | |
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2009-03-18, 16:12 | Link #61 | |
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Join Date: Nov 2007
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Lots of backgrounds, walking, (or in this show, cleaning) maybe a bit of SHAFT-ish style to it when other stuff is going on. |
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2009-03-18, 16:13 | Link #62 | |
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Aye Kaisos, though they've been pushing the limits already trying to fit things in this series. I'm grateful to roan for the summaries of the noves. |
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2009-03-18, 16:16 | Link #63 | ||
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What right do they have to complain about a show that isn't theirs to do anything with? Quote:
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2009-03-18, 16:20 | Link #64 | |
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I don't think it's entirely the case with Toradora. It helps to have a firmer grasp of the novels, but the show can be watched without them. I can see where this might be a problem with being 'spoiled'. Or same thing with ignorence/innocence. |
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2009-03-18, 16:25 | Link #65 | |
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Join Date: Oct 2007
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and dont forget that this is a Light Novel who is ADAPTED to Anime and Manga.
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2009-03-18, 16:31 | Link #67 | |
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Paris
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You NEED to stop comparing the novel and the anime. They're the same story told by different mediums. They don't have to be a 1:1 copy dammit. I don't know, think LOTR for instance : a sucky adaptation, three epic movies which are sure to captivate people who didn't knew the original. (Bad, bad, BAD comparison, since I think Toradora's adaptation is way better, I just couldn't find anything better) I see you're constantly bringing up inner monologues and KyoAni, but do you seriously think all light novels adaptation should be done Haruhi style ? :| And the kiss thing is silly, alright. But since I'm watching a japanese school romance anime, I'm kinda... not surprised. If you REALLY want silly things, Clannad is ten times worse (and that's coming from someone who loved it). |
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2009-03-18, 16:34 | Link #68 |
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This is, in a way, the final episode. Nothing more needs to be said about Taiga and Ryuji's relationship, everything is pretty much set; EP25 will be more of an epilogue. And that is what made me feel a bit sad after the final scene.
The art style of this episode changed noticeably, and it reminds me of, how should I put it, film noir? I'm a bit confused with the themes of this episode. I mean, is it really acceptable for two 17 year olds to be eloping? The preview tells otherwise, but is it really that socially accepted there that even their friends will encourage them to do it? Excuse me for not experiencing these things often, but it felt a bit "sudden". What about their education, career, everything else? Sorry I sound like your grandmother, but its very much taboo to elope from where I'm at. And Taiga and Ryuji make it seem like such an easy decision. Overall, an epic end to an epic series. Spoiler for Yasuko part:
EDIT: Can some tell me who is this Manji Midou guy and what is this clown doing in the cream? |
2009-03-18, 16:35 | Link #69 |
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Join Date: Jan 2009
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Wow... a lot of stuff happened, eh...
First few minutes... amazing. The OP caught me by surprise because by then I was so drawn in I'd completely forgotten they hadn't played it yet. XD The plan to run away also kind of surprised me but I guess part of it is that high school is compulsory here. And impulsive teenagers and whatnot... Still need to wait on subs for the subtleties of the dialog (no pun intended) but overall a great episode. Also, mandatory random observation for this post... how is Ryuuji's cell phone still working after he fell into the river?
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2009-03-18, 16:36 | Link #70 | |
Homo Ludens
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Imagine Toradora had it actually been adapted properly... how amazing would it be then? Yes, in all honesty. |
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2009-03-18, 16:38 | Link #71 |
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There is nothing "non-understandable" about this show at all, honestly. You just need to be able to piece symbolism and metaphor together a little bit more adeptly. I don't know if it's because people have a hard time translating symbolism when it's presented in Japanese, or if people would have a hard time with it in English too. But Ryuuji's feelings are not exactly obscure -- you just need to connect the dots. I don't think we should need the pablum of "tell me exactly what you're feeling before you do anything so that I understand what's going on". Because, heck, as a teenager, does anyone ever see things that clearly? In the light novel, your entire "picture" of the characters is in words (well, and the occasional image). In the anime, there are plenty of other cues -- like facial expressions, tone of voice, body language, symbolic imagery, musical cues, and so on. It isn't unreasonable or poorly done to expect viewers to catch those, it just requires you to pay more attention. If you connect the dots, there is only one reasonable answer, and there has been all along. People just need to stop reacting and start reflecting (and as aohige said, maybe waiting for the subs in some cases would help ).
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2009-03-18, 16:42 | Link #73 | ||
Homo Ludens
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Besides, even if you have visual cues and all that, they really did leave it a lot more ambiguous than the books, simply because we get to see into the thoughts of the characters. The anime skipped this over almost COMPLETELY. No amount of visual cues will make up for this. Quote:
I dunno. Plot device, I guess. |
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2009-03-18, 16:56 | Link #74 | |
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Location: NE USA
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Thanks, seems like critical thinking isn't something taught much lately. For wistfulloner Spoiler for 'Running away Taiga/Ryuuji:
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2009-03-18, 16:56 | Link #75 | |||
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As a matter of fact, the subject is brought up in the show by the characters themselves on how rediculous the idea is. I thought that was pretty obvious from the lines. Well, that was what the argument lead to, but that's not why Yasuko was yelling at him at first. She was upset that Ryuuji lied to her about the part-time job. He took over the job at the cake store without telling her. She told him not to take up part time jobs, and she felt betrayed. Quote:
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Do you mean "everywhere" as in English forums and blogs that may or may not have full understanding of Japanese? That's not "everyone everywhere". I've been surfing Japanese blogs on reviews, and only handful of them are overly critical about this episode. Do you not think, that these blogs have a lot more credibility than English ones since, oh, I dunno, they fully understand what's going on? (I avoid 2ch anime threads, because they are usually over critical about EVERYTHING, because of few "anti" haters who spam every thread)
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2009-03-18, 17:00 | Link #76 |
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Personally, I didn't like this episode. It felt like they were trying to cram way too much into a single episode. The plot became so rushed that it almost became incoherent. You have such dramatic changes in mood, thoughts, and actions of the characters in such a short time while every other episode pulled out the feelings slowly and carefully. I dunno this episode just felt way to rushed like they wanted to have a dramatic ending but hadn't properly set themselves up for it.......
EDIT: I know people are going to say this isn't the ending, but it is the first part of the end and I feel it should have been more spread out. |
2009-03-18, 17:04 | Link #77 | |
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Everything that happened this episode makes perfect sense, even if you haven't read the novels. The story has been leading up to this episode. You could say that reading the novels gives you more explanation for the actions of Ryuuji and the others than the anime does, but reading the novels isn't vital to understand these actions. I guess this is what I've been trying to say
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2009-03-18, 17:04 | Link #78 | ||
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I've seen anime adaptations when I've read the source material beforehand, and know about cases where the adaptation can skimp on helpful details. However, even in those cases, the answer is the same: the anime contains everything you need to understand what's going on. If you get too fixated on the other details, you're probably missing the real point. |
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2009-03-18, 17:14 | Link #80 |
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1) I think relentlessflame is being far too gracious to the "no setup" crowd Really, they can't be troutslapped hard enough for simply failing to pay attention and frankly, I think there's a lot of subversive "shipping" still trolling around from those who never understood this was never a "harem choose the girl" adventure.
(yes, I think an equally interesting story could have been told with Ami but that is left to "alternative history doujinshi") 2) yes, its quite instructive that the general reaction amongst Japanese viewers seems to be quite positive -- probably because they tend to pay closer attention and get the nuance and cultural undertones that foreigner "Joe Duh" Blog Commenter utterly fails at. 3) My assessment of the anime is that it has stood on its own quite successfully. Do I think the novels tell a deeper more content-rich story? well, duh. But this is an anime adaptation. Some things the visual medium does better than the novels and in other aspects it is handicapped compared to the novels. So it goes....
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