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2011-02-21, 19:32 | Link #3083 |
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I used to have a prejudice against atheists that has gotten much better. Today, I have a friend that is atheist, and it's no problem to me. I guess we all form prejudices in life. What is important is overcoming them.
Now, I'm a very spiritual person who generally likes Christianity. But I don't like religious extremists, including those that are Christians. As I've been more open minded about atheists and came to know that plenty of them are good people, I'd like to say I really don't like the atheists that are extremists, the ones that make it their goal to 'crusade' against spirituality, and like to make Christians experience doubt. People such as Richard Dawkins. I don't like that man. He intentionally causes disharmony in the life of others. That is bad karma.
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2011-02-21, 19:38 | Link #3084 |
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No one likes an extremist...
Right? I have a strong liking to spiritual people who show tolerance. To me it shows that one can be open-minded and still keep their own ideals. It's when religious zealots press their ideals onto others or enact they're opinion as the "voice of God" that it irks me. Unfortunately as well, man tends to dwell on the negatives rather than the positives more often than not, and as such, stereotypes are born.
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So that they might find a belief, religion, ideals, or philosophy that they really find to be true and wouldn't be shaken from easily; rather than leaving them with something that they truly didn't have faith in the first place, but they had just accepted it because of tradition, status-quo, or such of the culture they were born in? So I don't think doing so is really bad karma, since it could help people realize the truth about their ideals .
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2011-02-21, 20:31 | Link #3086 |
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In contrast to Urzu I may actually prefer people to have their faith challenged and have a subsequent crisis of faith because it will cause people to investigate their belief systems rather than blindly follow them. It makes you choose rather than be obliged.
I do agree to an extent with his stance on Dawkins. It's hard to try and understand his position whem he shows contempt for you and whatever you believe in.
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2011-02-21, 20:45 | Link #3087 |
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Konakaga and MeoTwister:
You are right that it can be good for some to have their beliefs challenged as it can lead to personal growth or finding faith in another belief system that can benefit them more. What I had in mind when I said what I said was the people who wouldn't benefit from their beliefs being challenged. For many people it is a delicate thing and would only serve to add turmoil to their lives. That is what I had in mind. You two are right that it doesn't always lead to a bad outcome. I've thought of those viewpoints before, and actually, my tendency to inquire and philosophize has been very rewarding for me. However, for many people, that isn't their cup of tea and having stability with their faith brings great stability to their lives.
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2011-02-21, 20:59 | Link #3088 | ||
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Honestly speaking, if "God" does exist, he/she/it is obviously being tsundere when saying "Thou shalt not question about what or who I am!".
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2011-02-22, 00:30 | Link #3091 |
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@urzu
Some have argues that sutra to be the origin of science itself which is not surprising given the comtributions from the central Asian and subcontinental regions. Anyway Gundam made my point for me. I am a cautious proponent of the ideas Dawkins put forth in The Selfish Gene, but I didn't even finish The God Delusion because I had to ask myself if a nun ran over his dog on the street. Kind of hard to engage someone who won't get off his high horse.
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2011-02-22, 01:05 | Link #3092 |
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I missed this part earlier, so I'll comment on it now; how often has science and spirituality clashed? Science and faith, yes; but spirituality is quite distinct from faith, despite often being lumped together. Hell, the Four Horsemen themselves, from what I know, are quite spiritual people in their own way.
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2011-02-22, 13:41 | Link #3094 |
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I don't believe Religion itself is bad. What is bad about religion is that it's easily used as an excuse for people to fight. The holy land, Protestant vs Catholic, Extremists etc. This leads to negative outcomes for the average religious follower.
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2011-02-22, 14:32 | Link #3095 | ||
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2011-02-22, 16:03 | Link #3096 |
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There seems to be this trend of many holding the belief that zealotry and extremism in religion is a bad thing. Of course, it could lead to awful actions (ex. The Crusades, terrorism), but being on fire for your beliefs isn't in itself bad. In fact, we often praise passion when it comes to just about everything else except religion.
So, some Christian dude loves God so much, and tries to spread the gospel message to you. Is he bad? Annoying, sure. Wrong, perhaps. But if he's right, then his extremism could just be a really, really good thing. Though I guess it also becomes a question of semantics. How extreme does one have to be to be considered an extremist?
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2011-02-22, 16:12 | Link #3097 | ||
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2011-02-22, 16:21 | Link #3098 | ||
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