Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha Character Creation and Discussion (second reincarnation)

[NorthernFallout]

Originally Posted by Keroko

Actually, I'm getting Mass Effect vibes from these guys. It's probably just the name though.

Besides, these reapers destroy and plunder. Borg assimilate and conquer.

And seriously, Kirk against the borg? When facing the borg you need Janeway, the only captain who constantly outsmarted and even exploited the Borg.



One thing though: Why aren't they cyborgs? I mean, you describe them as not being cyborgs 'because they have a brain and inner organs' but doesn't that make them cyborgs? Cyborgs are a mixture of organics and machines, after all. Heck, even the numbers and Ginga and Subaru have inner organs (concidering they eat, drink and can have children).

You're probably confusing the term with androids. Androids are fully mechanical.

Ya, I think I confused myself there. I didn't want them to be cyborgs with the risk of copying too much but I guess there ain't an easy way out...I'll remove that little note I think.

And about the ME vibes: I didn't think of it first but since I'm a ME fan I guess Reaper just popped into my head, since they have so much in common.

[Sheba]

Yeah, cyborgs are cyborgs as long as they have organic parts, even if it is a couple of brain cells.

Reapers reminds me of Saberhagen's Berserkers for some reason, machines meant to serve a purpose but turning against their masters.

[haiz123321]

Originally Posted by PhoenixFlare

@haiz: Heya, and welcome back. Sorry about the belated greeting, but I've got myself full with my brother's wedding these few days. =3

*cough* I'm pretty sure you didn't even notice

Originally Posted by Ilya

Time for a new Oc to be presented (or OC army). As part of my new fic "Fate of the Reapers" (FotR) I had to create a new race and here I have their profile.

If you find anything that goes against anything, is forbidden or what not, tell me how to fix it, change it, or if I should delete it.

Spoiler for Profile:

Fate of the Reapers

The Reapers

Profile

(This information is taken from records contained together with Lost Logia or simply found in ruins.)

History: It exist a lot of theories of where the Reapers came from but noone knows exactly.

One of the most believable theories is that they were created by the people of Al Hazard, a very long time ago. As the artificial beings they are they were easily controlled, to a start. But something happened that made them turn on their creators. It is unknown what turned them, but after Al Hazard got destroyed the Reapers fled the world and roamed on other worlds for several centuries. They have since then not been seen.

Technology: They make use of Lost Logia they have retrieved from their travels over worlds and have the ability to create hyper-advanced weaponry, armor, medical machines and other similar things from it.

They also seem capable of converting other races to a Reaper with advanced transformation magic and technology. The subject retains it form but its mind gets changed into that of a Reaper and can impossibly be turned back, if they don’t use the same method as the Reapers used. The process is unknown.
This is however very rare as the Reapers only convert them they see as worthy and if they are not dead.

Goal: The Reaper’s goal is unknown, but they seem to be dragged to Lost Logia when it’s being used creating highly dangerous situations where Reapers come from nowhere, crush
their enemies and take the Lost Logia.

Society: The Reapers don’t have a leader and they all look the same. It seems like they are part of a big network, synchronising their thoughts with each other but are still able to make their own decisions. They are highly intelligent and that’s one of the reasons they don’t need a leader.

Physiology: A Reaper is, in a sense, incapable of dying from age since they can live far longer than any other living organism. This is however if they find Lost Logia to improve their technology with. Their artificial bodies must be continuously repaired and replaced, which make them easier to be killed.
This is why they often send out their most newly repaired brethren into battle, since they have the most combat ability and can sustain huge amounts of damage.
It is believed it exists a few thousands Reapers, but only less than half can actually go to battle. The rest don’t have the resources to be repaired and is used for other priorities instead.

How a Reaper looks like is largely unknown, since those who have seen one usually gets killed. Of the few sightings gathered only a small percentage makes sense: Higher than a human and very muscular. Has a black coat as a type of thin armor, covering the body including the head.


Combat style and weapons: A Reaper fight as a brute. Since they can take huge damage before going down, they don’t care to dodge (This is also a weakness). They just swing their weapons and hit the opponent.

A Reaper does not know any type of magic and relies only on traditional melee and/or ranged weaponry.

Their melee weapons have 2 forms and one function: close-range combat.

“Slasher” form: Shaped like a scythe, similar to Fate’s “Bardiche”. One of the reasons they are called “Reapers”. They swing these as any traditional scythe, slashing around them trying to cut the enemy down.

“Hammering” form: A rarely seen weapon, this one is shaped as a big hammer, which are simply used for smashing. It’s usually used at attacking stationary targets (bases, stations etc.)

The Reapers have long-range weapons but since noone has managed to get close to a location with those types of warrior, how they look like is unknown. All known about the weapon is that it fires some type of energy bolt.

O_O You said something about artificial beings, is that the editted one? Cause i saw a few posts below about them being very similar to cyborgs.
Cute avatar of Illya btw

[NorthernFallout]

Originally Posted by haiz123321

O_O You said something about artificial beings, is that the editted one? Cause i saw a few posts below about them being very similar to cyborgs.
Cute avatar of Illya btw

No they were originally artifical beings, the part I removed was that they aren't cyborgs...which they are.

And yeah Ilya likes bread :3

[Kha]

Hello minna-san! I'm Fate T. Hallaoun, and I've always been experimenting with new styles since my first single. This is a new song I'd like to share with you...

Spoiler for Fate wants you to...:

Color code:
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Nanoha, Hayate, Kha and Keroko
Fate

The night was still young, and after the Wolkies' YMCA, the crowd was only just warmed up.

Come, Come on!

The crowd aimed their gaze skywards, as the whir of rotors grew. Storm Raider entered through the roof.

Come on, Come, Come on! Come on!

(ENFORCER!)

The Black Suits Comin'... The Black Suits Comin'...

I'm Comin'... I'm Comin'... I'm Comin'... I'm Comin'

The doors of Storm Raider slam down, revealing Fate in her black Enforcer uniform. Whatever fears she had, she pushed it aside. This was her song.

And so, lights flashing and beams bursting, the blonde Enforcer stepped up and struck out.

"I am the girl in black I'm back
Breaking the back of the random attackers
So can the flak
Yo I'm dangerous
I've been trained to bust
When a stranger fuss try to endanger us."

Her friends twirled in to her side in tune to the music; Fate kicked her head back, Nanoha headed back; Drum crash; And the Aces sauntered forwards together.

"Praise me y'all
Don't nothing faze me y'all
When they see me their gaze be all crazy y'all
They say I can't pwn
Trust me if somebody is on
Out of the depth of your imagination appears Fate Hallaoun."

Fate tugged on her jacket to bring home her point. And for the countless officers of the TSAB corps gathered in the convention hall, it certainly sunk in.

"Black suit, the black staves, the black shoes
black bow with the black attitude
New style black leather bands
I'm stunning man!
New hotness pitch black six hundred man!"

"Don't you understand?
What you thought I wouldn't come again?
Leave you hanging without bringing you the service again?
Tangling with the villainous scum again?
Mind your manners or the black suits runnin' in!"

Patrick jumped up and down, screaming away like the fanboy he was, leaving his date Auris a little miffed. Meanwhile, Fate and the girls moved into a triangle.

"Nod Ya Head! (The Black Suits Comin')
Let me see you Nod Ya Head! (The Black Suits Comin') like this,
Let me see you (Nod Ya Head! The Black Suits Comin') like this,
Let me see you bop your head, nod your head, come on!"

The Aces parted into twos, and Subaru glided forward on her knees, Teana along her sneakers, the other four forwards forming up behind in a clapping line. The duo immediately broke out into nifty footy work, bringing cheers from the sea of mens below. Backflip, one handed headstand; the Stars snapped their fingers.

"(Nod Ya Head! The Black Suits Comin')
Let me see you (Nod Ya Head! The Black Suits Comin') like this,
Let me see you Nod Ya Head! (The Black Suits Comin') like this
(Nod Ya Head!)"

On cue, Fate catwalked to the fore, Kha tailing.

"Check it
Yo it's this geek right
Scagletti, making me sick right
6 Div is a toy to him? he'd be trippin' right."

Fate played along with Kha's rendition of Napoleon Dynamite, then pushed him aside on 'Trippin'.

"Threatening me and my girls
Trying to get the Cradle in flight
Thinking he's superwhopper
But blonde kryptonite finishing whatever you startto
The best looking crime fighter since myself in part 2
Better act right and play nice and sing along
'Cause Fate is back in the hype
What? Bring it on!"

As the music dulled, Fate unleashed a blinding glow as yellow mana enveloped her frame. Her movements slowed and suggested; the black outer jacket dissolved; a wave of hoots swept the floor. Magical bubbles sprang from Ace to Ace to Forward; the cheers got louder. And Fate started into a twirl, her skirt dissolving from the hems.

"Uhh, Wanna brawl with me? Trying to brawl with me?
Uhh Uhh What What
Yo... what what... then... lemme... see you... just...
Come on... just come on and..."

With an explosion of sound, Fate tore through the last of her cloths into the sleek strappings of Sonic Form.

Nod Ya Head! (The Black Suits Comin') like this,
Let me see you Nod Ya Head! (The Black Suits Comin')
Let me see you Nod Ya Head! (The Black Suits Comin') like this,
Let me see you (Nod Ya Head!)

Erio with Caro in tow were next. The Knight-errant twirled the summoner out then in, catching her in the leaning groove of his arm, then swung her out again. Caro stood back, and Erio moved to Saturday Night Fever. Girls shrieked; it was their time. Erio responded, shifting to a rippling bum-wave in tune to the rhythm. Caro crossed her arms and mimicked pulling on an invisible rope. The Belka moonwalked backwards into the Chida's arms; their skill defied their ages, and the crowd pitched higher.

(ENFORCER!)

Let me see you Nod Ya Head! (The Black Suits Comin')
Let me see you (Nod Ya Head!)
Come on! Come on! Let me see you (Nod Ya Head! The Black Suits Comin') like
this, let me see you (Nod Ya Head!)

Fate sauntered in.

"Check it. Check it."

"Yo, case closed
Erased my foes
Chased away by the black suits, blades, and clothes."

Ginga cheered excitedly and for once Tais wasn't creating a mess... until he rolled into Aura, who struck out her leg, making the klutz fall into the valleys of another lady, earning him a hard slap. Genya laughed; Ginga and Aura hi-fived.

"We're above the law
Feds can't touch me y'all
Highly ranked black blank I.D. card"

Patrick reached out and pulled Auris into his wild raving moves. The usually uptight officer frowned for a second, then gave in, slowly...

"So disregard what you think you saw
Put that gun down now Ma'am
Who you think you shootin' huh?
One little slice then good night dear
Just brace your guts honey look right here
Thank you."

The Cloud Knights stepped through the Forwards. Vita was having fun; Shamal in her element; Signum looked like she was actually having fun; Tesla was certainly professional, but no one expected Zafira to blow everyone's minds with his moves - not even Justin Timberlake came close.

"Mission completed
I mean it we won't be defeated
You seen it we did it even with cartridges depleted
Dimensional defenders don't act like you don't remember
Taking contenders and blasting them to their knickers."

"WE LOVE YOU, DEVIL!!!" Shrieked a section of the audience, and Nanoha laughed. They were her students from her Air Force portfolio.

"Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls
The Enforcers are back to protect the world
When the enemy is near the elite is here
So have no fear just let me see you."

Fate struck an arm out. Fireworks blew. Music climaxed. Vice, Artei, Sophia, Acous, Shari, everyone nodded along. No one in that hall was dry now.

Nod Ya Head! (The Black Suit's Comin')
Come on! Nod Ya Head! (The Black Suit's Comin') like this,
Let me see you (Nod Ya Head! The Black Suit's Comin') like this,
Let me see you (Nod Ya Head!)

(ENFORCER!)

Drake Squad came next. Allison and Serena swung into gear. While the little Allie made the dance look rather blocky, Serena did a better job, arm flails led to twirls, movements sleek and sensual. The crowd rewarded the effort.

(Nod Ya Head!) Woo!
(ENFORCER!)
(Nod Ya Head! The Black Suit's Comin') Uhh!
(Nod Ya Head!)
(ENFORCER!)
Yo, yo (Nod Ya Head!)

The blonde ran to the end of the stage. The crowd welled up to touch her. But this wasn't the end. Fate had more in mind.

Yo, Yo

If you wanna rock then say (Ooo-oh!)
Tell me if you wanna rock then say (Ooo-oh!)

If you wanna rock then say (Ooo-oh!)
Come on if you wanna rock then say (Ooo-oh!)

Yo if you wanna bop then say (Ooo-oh!)
Tell me if you wanna rock then say (Ooo-oh!)

If you wanna nod then say (Ooo-oh!)
Tell me if you wanna rock then say (Ooo-oh!)

Ha!

Cold fireworks glossed out the stage, framing Riot 6 in sparks. Nanoha and the others were in a grinning high. Fate panted hard, but she was exhilarated.

"Thank you!" She cried once she caught her breath as her closest came up and threw their arms around her. "Thank you!!!"

Maybe she could get used to this.

As for the dances used, for most part, they were using Nod Your Head. As for the couple moments, this would be a guide:

Spoiler for Dances:

Subaru & Teana: MC Hammer - Can't Touch This (Orc)
Erio & Caro: Saturday Night Fever (Human) & Grease
Allison: Britney Spears - Toxic (Blood Elf Female)
Serena: Alizee - J'en Ai Marre (Night Elf Female)
Kha: Napoleon Dynamite (Blood Elf Male)

Other dances not in the video:

Vita, Shamal, Tesla, Signum: Beyonce - Bounce
Zafira: Justin Timberlake - Sexyback

The fact that most of these are also WoW Dances is pure coincidence.

[NorthernFallout]

Since I posted the Reaper's profile already I might as well post another organisation OC profile: SaE.
This organisation is included in my fic "Marksman Tales".

There is little information about it in MT so this profile don't have alot either. What it does have is mostly statistics and info about the mechs and drones the SaE uses.

Spoiler for SaE:

SaE

Profile

History: Unknown.

Location: Unknown.

Leadership: All that is known about SaE’s leaders is their codenames: Sparrow and Eagle (Profile for these two are currently unavaible due to lack of data)

Goal: Unknown. Probably the elimination of all TSAB forces.

Trivia: The SaE organization revolves around using mechs and drones to accomplish their goals. The two leaders are rarely seen and are thought to control their mechanical army from their flying HQ.

Mechs/Drones: 4 different types of mechs/drones has been created by SaE so far:

Type 1 “Fighter”: Small, light and agile. These little machines are designed as close-combat specialists and fights with their two legs with a kind of martial arts style. One block for a head with sockets for cameras and both legs are attached to it, making it look like a box on legs.
They cannot take much damage, but packs a punch and can dodge very fast.

Statistics:

Height: 1 meter

Weight: 100 kg

Powersource: Unknown, might be electric.

Capability: Can operate in heat and rain, but its movement is highly decreased in cold or
snow, making it very vulnerable (This is the same for both Type 1 and 2)

Speed: Faster than a human, probably around 20 km/h

Weapons: Uses its legs to attack by kicking.


Type 2 “Mammoth”: Massive long-range mech. These behemoths are huge compared to a human and looks like a blob on 2 legs. On the top, 2 big pipes stick out, serving as artillery cannons. The calibres of the shells are known to be 155 mm, similar to a Howitzer. The firing rate is slow but it is capable of firing 2 shots at the same time. When it prepares to fire, its legs punch into the ground and stabilize the mech. It is always used when attacking stationary targets.

The “Mammoth” does not have any kind of defense, but are always protected by at least 10 “Fighters”.


Statistics:

Height: 6 meter

Weight: 6 ton

Powersource: Power cells.

Capability: See Type 1.

Speed: Very slow, walking speed.

Weapons: 2 artillery cannons with 155 mm non-explosive shells.


Type 3 “Buzzer”: These are the flying equivalents of the “Fighter”. Very small, agile and easily destroyed but very dangerous. They are equipped with several small phasors around its round body. It looks like a thick plate and has small wings that makes a buzzing sound, thereof its name.

Statistics:

Height: 25 centimetres.

Width: 50 centimetres.

Weight: 40 kg.

Powersource: Unknown.

Capability: Completely inoperable in cold weather, due to ice on the wings making it unable to move.

Speed: Very fast. Around 100 km/h

Weapons: 4 phasors is mounted around the plate, making it capable of hitting everything 360 degrees around it.


Type 4 “Cyclone”: Very rare flying machines, only 2 exist. The TSAB thinks they are used to host all the other mechs and drones and that it also serves as HQ for SaE.
It has unknown weaponry but is thought to have air-to-land artillery and anti-air defense. Its size is huge and its armor is extremely resilient, capable of sustaining massive damage.

It is not able to land and if it runs out of fuel it’s simply going to crash so to keep it running the smaller drones gathers fuel from where they can find it and retrieves it.

Has the appearance of a B2 Stealth Bomber but is much bulkier.

Statistics:

Width (wingtip-to-wingtip): 100 meters.

Height: 20 meters.

Length: 60 meters.

Weight (Fully loaded): 300 ton

Propulsion: Unknown, but most likely jet engines.

Capability: Can handle all weather types.

Cruising Speed: 900 km/h

Max Speed: 1300 km/h

Range (On one fuel tank, cruising speed): 10000 km

Weapons (In theory): One 200 mm artillery cannon, can only fire on land. Dozens of anti-air lasers may be scattered around the ship.

[PhoenixFlare]

Originally Posted by Kha

It isn't mentioned in canon, but was roughly based off dkellis' theory about the structure of space within Infinite Library. Now since space wants to stretch outwards (not sure if I'm right about that, based this off the universe always moving outwards from the Big Bang), this might just a highly energetic state and releasing the hold on the space would cause a disastrous outfold.

Hmm, I'm not particularly sure about this theory myself, but from what I can gather, spatial expansion releases a huge amount of energy as it destabilizes, so yeah, I think it works.

Originally Posted by Kha

(And most of all, Yuuno will go missing for plot purposes. :3)

Though to be honest, I might just be milking this mental experiment for all its worth. My main aim is to throw all of TSAB into disarray, and this scenario has the highest potential for total collapse of command and control rendering all of known space easy pickings for the Brotherhood of Nod.

Well, we all need to force some plot points nevertheless, so Yuuno missing isn't particularly out-of-the-ordinary. I think this experiment is going to produce some mighty good results, so it's feasible to work it out.

Originally Posted by KBTKaiser

Spoiler for self-narration:

In the distant lands that was once known as Outer Cadia, one mountain of epic quality bluecheesium stirs as it is split asunder, revealing a lone being completely assimilated by the bluecheesium crystals. The figure points one hand towards the skies as a pillar of light shines down upon it, bathing it as the crystals refract the rays around in a dazzling display...

"The one who forges the path of heavens shall walk the lands again alongside her companions...CAST OFF"

The bluecheesium cocoon explodes off of the being, revealing a long lost creator of the original Outer Cadia...KBTKaiser.

Man, how long has it been since I ran dry on inspiration... >>;

Welcome back!

Originally Posted by Keroko

Hmm, I don't recall Regius being involved in that. In fact, I don't think he learned of the details of RF6's existence untill after Hayate stepped in action.

It's admittedly a speculation. With Ground Forces and the Navy not in agreeable terms, the former is likely to impose all sorts of regulations to minimize interference from the Navy. After all, having Navy and Enforcer units in their territory is almost tantamount to them trying to steal the Ground Forces' power, so to speak. Limiters are probably one of the issues fleshed out during the discussion between the two groups, and for RF6 to be able to set up in the territory, they had to agree to some conditions set down by the Ground Forces, which possibly include the issue on limiters. Regius might not be present during the discussion (he made a thorough investigation later, if I remember correctly), but the information was passed down through the line and Regius got wind of it, which explains his irritation and resentment.

Originally Posted by Keroko

Well, her cooking has improved (though she's still quite clumsy at it) since Hayate forces her to help from time to time, much to Tesla's dismay, as she's not really fond of cooking.

Tesla doesn't work as Griffith's partner though, since Griffith went to work at the Interstellar Navigation Bureau. She does keep in contact though, and every time she needs to get somewhere, it's Griffith she calls.

Thanks. I think I can work out something interesting from this.

Building up on Tesla-Griffith relationship, given their long-distance relationship, would Tesla pursue their relationship after StrikerS, or she'd have preferred to remain as good friends with Griffith?

Originally Posted by haiz123321

*cough* I'm pretty sure you didn't even notice

Nah, I did. I just didn't have time to reply to it. Sorry.

Originally Posted by Ilya

And yeah Ilya likes bread :3

The melon one?

[NorthernFallout]

Originally Posted by PhoenixFlare

The melon one?

*Horrified* What? That's a melon? O_o

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Ilya

*Horrified* What? That's a melon? O_o

Not any melon, not any bread:

[NorthernFallout]

Originally Posted by Sheba

Not any melon, not any bread:

That's what it looks like! *facepalms*

Edit:...Melon....Bread.....Melonbread
*facepalms harder*

[dkellis]

Originally Posted by Kha

It isn't mentioned in canon, but was roughly based off dkellis' theory about the structure of space within Infinite Library. Now since space wants to stretch outwards (not sure if I'm right about that, based this off the universe always moving outwards from the Big Bang), this might just a highly energetic state and releasing the hold on the space would cause a disastrous outfold.

To expand on it a little, and I should mention again for clarification that this is entirely speculation on my part, my guess on how the Infinite Library works is something TARDIS-like: the inside is a lot bigger than the outside. It's easier to imagine it if you've played D&D before, and used Bags of Holding. (Suffice to say that "inside bigger than outside" concepts have been around long enough and often enough to be general, rather than specific references.)

Part of this is due to the Infinite Library containing so much information, be it in physical media such as books or some sort of "raw data", that special reinforced magic has to be put in place to eke out a region of "realspace", in much the same way the "realspace" of TSAB Main HQ can exist in the middle of interdimensional space. I can technobabble it up to explain how it all works, but the net result is that the Infinite Library is essentially a whole pocket dimension (which, in itself, is comprised of infinite number of other dimensions) squeezed into something the human brain can conceive.

It's hard to explain the concepts using general three-dimensional imagery. I have to say "it's bigger through" rather than "it's bigger outwards", and increasing the "realspace" of the Infinite Library from the whole Library-space superset isn't so much expanding it in volume (although in general this happens anyway, if only to provide space for new physical media), but rather suffusing more parts with "realness". Making it real, so to speak, and bringing concept into physical form.

Which was one reason why I miscalculated on where the Infinite Library was, since it made no sense to keep it in the middle of interdimensional space where only a very few could access it. (Think on the point of a library, rather than a mere collection of books.) I believed that the question of "where" was irrelevant, in much the same way one might ask "where does the colour blue come from?", but I was wrong.

Now, if anything disrupts the containment of the Infinite Library's realspace, events might be... interesting for a while, if only because so many possible things could happen. One scenario would be that realspace collapses into itself, and anyone stuck inside is trapped somewhere (alternate dimension, stasis, probability-space), if they even survive. Another would be that the realspace remains stable (I doubt it, but then it's not like I'm speaking from experience), but inaccessible, or perhaps gets shunted into a convenient side dimension. A particularly flashy scenario is that the realspace forms a "seed" from which more realspace can be formed, expanding quickly in the not-space of interdimensional space: this is otherwise known as a Big Bang.

This isn't all that I've pondered on the Infinite Library, but it's what I judged to be relevant to my stories, and so it's all I've actually put into words. There's still quite a bit more (I really like the concept of the Infinite Library, and am annoyed that the Nanoha-verse contains so little canon information on it), but I've probably missed some obvious-in-hindsight questions and flaws.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by dkellis

To expand on it a little, and I should mention again for clarification that this is entirely speculation on my part, my guess on how the Infinite Library works is something TARDIS-like: the inside is a lot bigger than the outside. It's easier to imagine it if you've played D&D before, and used Bags of Holding. (Suffice to say that "inside bigger than outside" concepts have been around long enough and often enough to be general, rather than specific references.)

I've watched Doctor Who and played D&D so I know your references, and that's how I imagined the working of the Infinite Library.

I used the TARDIS as a basic material for one of my OCs' spaceship.

[AdmiralTigerclaw]

Originally Posted by dkellis

To expand on it a little, and I should mention again for clarification that this is entirely speculation on my part, my guess on how the Infinite Library works is something TARDIS-like: the inside is a lot bigger than the outside. It's easier to imagine it if you've played D&D before, and used Bags of Holding. (Suffice to say that "inside bigger than outside" concepts have been around long enough and often enough to be general, rather than specific references.)

Part of this is due to the Infinite Library containing so much information, be it in physical media such as books or some sort of "raw data", that special reinforced magic has to be put in place to eke out a region of "realspace", in much the same way the "realspace" of TSAB Main HQ can exist in the middle of interdimensional space. I can technobabble it up to explain how it all works, but the net result is that the Infinite Library is essentially a whole pocket dimension (which, in itself, is comprised of infinite number of other dimensions) squeezed into something the human brain can conceive.

It's hard to explain the concepts using general three-dimensional imagery. I have to say "it's bigger through" rather than "it's bigger outwards", and increasing the "realspace" of the Infinite Library from the whole Library-space superset isn't so much expanding it in volume (although in general this happens anyway, if only to provide space for new physical media), but rather suffusing more parts with "realness". Making it real, so to speak, and bringing concept into physical form.

Which was one reason why I miscalculated on where the Infinite Library was, since it made no sense to keep it in the middle of interdimensional space where only a very few could access it. (Think on the point of a library, rather than a mere collection of books.) I believed that the question of "where" was irrelevant, in much the same way one might ask "where does the colour blue come from?", but I was wrong.

Now, if anything disrupts the containment of the Infinite Library's realspace, events might be... interesting for a while, if only because so many possible things could happen. One scenario would be that realspace collapses into itself, and anyone stuck inside is trapped somewhere (alternate dimension, stasis, probability-space), if they even survive. Another would be that the realspace remains stable (I doubt it, but then it's not like I'm speaking from experience), but inaccessible, or perhaps gets shunted into a convenient side dimension. A particularly flashy scenario is that the realspace forms a "seed" from which more realspace can be formed, expanding quickly in the not-space of interdimensional space: this is otherwise known as a Big Bang.

This isn't all that I've pondered on the Infinite Library, but it's what I judged to be relevant to my stories, and so it's all I've actually put into words. There's still quite a bit more (I really like the concept of the Infinite Library, and am annoyed that the Nanoha-verse contains so little canon information on it), but I've probably missed some obvious-in-hindsight questions and flaws.

Long explanation made simple. The Infinite Library exists in a pocket universe.

[Sheba]

Or it works on the principle of a hypercube.

[AdmiralTigerclaw]

Originally Posted by Sheba

Or it works on the principle of a hypercube.

Trying to visualize a five dimensional hypercube makes my head hurt. Chances are it's not though. Trying to manage a five dimensional location would be more than just moving millions of uncatalogued books around. By all intents, it would look like two things are occupying the same space to a 3 Dimensional observation. (Imagine sticking two books in one spot. Yet not. Just visualizing how that works makes one's head throb a little.)


EDIT: On an unrelated note, a snippet of the most recent chapter work, finally broke past a wall here...

Spoiler for Small teaser.:

Anything else the General might have said was cut off at this Point. Crash made his way up to the double doors of the Difac and gave them a push inwards. The pilot only made it about two steps into the cafeteria before he was nearly blown off his feet by an earth shaking cheer.

Nanoha and Fate came to a dead stop as Crash litterally jumped in surprise. Something they hadn't seen him do. Only a few seconds later, they were swarmed with a number of support staffers and engineers.

"That was totally awesome!" one of them managed to say.
"You went like this, she went like that, and then you were just GONE!" another interrupted.

"And then you brought out that huge sword!" must have been directed at Fate.
"The top of the sky with that jet!" yet another of the many engineers, directed at Nanoha.

Nanoha and Fate were used to a little fame from their work. But they'd never gotten swarmed like this before. Crash seemed nearly freaked out however. He always seemed more imfamous than famous, even among people he knew so well like all the Engineers here. But now they were up in his face like they'd never been, talking faster than he could catch, and asking questions he couldn't answer.

"How fast were you going?"
"How did you escape those binds?"
"What went through your mind when you were trying that long range shot?"
"Which one are you going to sleep with tonight?"

If Crash could figure out who asked the last question, he'd have someone to punch in the nose and make himself an opening. Judging by the way hairs started standing up on the back of his neck, he absentmindely guessed the girls heard it too. They were only a foot away after all.

The rest of the group managed to make their way into the door and could hardly belive how the three were the center of one big, as Roland called it, 'gaggle.' The word was actually a composite, but the General thought the extra explicative that went on the end wasn't needed in the company of ladies.

"What the hell is going on?" he squinted in confusion. Hayate glanced around, trying to see over people's shoulders, then pointed discreetly at the far wall.
The large screen that sat in the center showed a rather high quality detail replay of the fight. It showed Crash and Nanoha in a steep dive... obviously in the last few minutes of the replay.

"Lime." the General nodded in understanding.

[Tk3997]

Originally Posted by Kha

It isn't mentioned in canon, but was roughly based off dkellis' theory about the structure of space within Infinite Library. Now since space wants to stretch outwards (not sure if I'm right about that, based this off the universe always moving outwards from the Big Bang), this might just a highly energetic state and releasing the hold on the space would cause a disastrous outfold.

That’s not an iron clad rule its still somewhat debated what the end state of the universe will be one theory was a “bug crunch” where in the expansion was slowed then began reversing and the universe collapsed back in on itself. As I recall though current findings indicate the universe lacks sufficient mass for this to occur though. Instead it seems likely it will expand forever until we basiclly run out of energy due to entropy and it falls apart… Shame the crunch would have been cooler IMO.

But basiclly what a space does depends entirely on the space in question our universe is expanding because it was propelled outward by the mother of all explosions and lacking any kind drag to slow it (besides mutual attraction from gravity which is proving too weak) has simply continued flying outward every since.

Maybe infinite isn't the best methos of description, but it is big, probably 1% of an entire universe of space folded into a pseudo-singularity. Inside the place is immense, but outside its probably just 1 space station's of a cylinder.

... Singularity's don't explode. Acutally the sheer MASS of something like that would be so immense that the energy required to uncompacting it would be pretty much beyond our ability our fathom. That much mass crushed down to that small size will want to STAY at that size. Acutally you'd probably need some kind of system to keep it from drawing in and crushing the station not keeping it from exploding!

1% of a universe I believe is huge when spread out, so once the seals that shape space into the form we see inside the Library is broken, space spreads and rip the HQ from within.

See the above it IS massive which means that massive gravity would hold it together and give a density higher then even a super massive blackholes singularity... it's not going to what to come apart in the slightest.

and even the Astronomicon,rendering all other TSAB ships blind, having lost their reference point in the Fold?

Which dosen't exist is never even hinted at again this isn't the TSAB acutally it's almost assured since they had inter-dimensional space craft before they had the HQ. (how do you think they built the damn thing to start with?) Again this isn't 40k.

The death toll would be astronomical too, since the residential blocks of the HQ will be obliterated.

A few million perhaps IMO bad, but for a civilization with hundreds of planets still a minor event really.

Though to be honest, I might just be milking this mental experiment for all its worth. My main aim is to throw all of TSAB into disarray, and this scenario has the highest potential for total collapse of command and control rendering all of known space easy pickings for the Brotherhood of Nod.

I don't like the idea of the Brotherhood of Nod in Nanoha to start with and I like the idea of them somehow coming out of nowhere to cripple the entire TSAB even less. Besides which this plan probably wouldn't work anyway even if the HQ was knocked out large numbers of ships (probably the majority) are away from it at anytime and Nod probably has no navy to speak of... unless now in addition to having plot armor they also have the resource of hundreds of planets to draw on.

At best this is like setting off a nuke in say DC you kill allot of people and probably cause a fair bit of confusion, but contingencies exist for such things. I seriously doubt the TSAB has NO plan if they lose HQ militarys in peace time actually have little to do allot of the time expect make plans for even the most absurdly unlikely of scenarios. Acutally taking out the HQ isn't even as bad as the above since it seems like you might not even manage to decapitate the government with such a strike since that's based on Mid, and local ground forces and probably the Air Force as well are also based on planets and so likely have there entire chains of command intact. Which means they'd still be able to respond rapidly to any attempts at internal uprisings (which is Nods MO) and crush them rapidly since there is no way Nod is a match military for the TSAB even if the Navy is weakened.

It basiclly boils down the simple fact that in something as big as the TSAB or even a nation there really is no single target you can blow up and somehow totally cripple the entire thing. This is why Terrorism is ultimately pretty much dick waving rather then an effective military tactic it's never going to acutally militaryily defeat an enemy or even topple a stable government. At best it can win a political victory, but blowing up a symbol of a nation and killing millions of people is acutally just going to drive the target into a berserk rage. Seriously just ask Japan how that whole sneak attack against the heart of a superior foe thing went for them...

Never mind that I have serious issues seeing where and how Nod is going to get very large at all in Nanoha. After all Nod really only gained recruits in its home universe because of GDIs failure to control Tib for the most part. (With GDI increasing doing this and now having beat back an Alien invasion too boot Nods future is actually looking rather bleak IMO Kane may well see this and it could be why he seems to be transitioning to a mindless cyborg army…) There is no such impetus in the TSAB where the average citizen seems to enjoy a safe clean middle class existence... This dose not tend to breed a huge population of dissidents willing to take up arms against there rulers.

And Kane religious rhetoric is unlikely to find much appeal in what appears to be a by and largely secular society either. IMO Nod as seen in C&C simply could not exist in the TSAB it would at best be a small terrorist cult of perhaps a few hundred to thousand diehard members.

That's my take anyway, but I admittedly don't know what you're exact plan is.

Originally Posted by Wild Goose

Well, planning and stuff for Task Force Six, rough drafts and all.

Unit Name: Lost Property Investigation Task Force Six
CO: LTC Hayate Yagami
XO: Warrant Officer Griffith Lowran
Chief of Staff: Sergeant Major Reinforce Zwei

Order of Battle:
Stars Squad: (As Canon)
Lightning Squad: (As Canon)
Hammer Squad: 5-man detachment from the OFM's Assault Platoon, led by 2LT Franz Jaeger with SGT Leo Kozlov as 2IC.
Lance Flight: 5 mages from the OFM Air Wing, basically the entire Lance Flight.

While Stars and Lightning are the Day Shift, so to speak, Hammer and Lance are the nightshift, on nighttime standby and deploying as needed to back up the Forwards.

Investigation Section:
Head: Fate T. Harloawn
Analyst: 1LT Mikhail Dornitz. An intel specialist from the OFM's Intel element, Mikhail is a targeter: he finds targets, builds intel on them, and delivers his analysis to those in the field. He's gonna help Fate more on the investigation side, since he was a cop before joining the OFM.

Felix: Not sure yet. TK can give suggestions that will be listened to.

Honestly he could go allot of places he fought in a full blown magic/conventional war so he could easily handle a position on the front line, but he also worked for over a decade as a sometime PI so he could swing investigations too. That said given the proliferation of potent Air Combat mages already on hand he'd probably find more use in the investigative side of things. (the fact he'd also likely work alone more would merely be a bonus...)

In a way this is a somewhat less grand rebuilt project. It's also my attempt to do a middle of the road approach, balancing things and all.... and also add in some conflicts and stuff: one of the things that annoy the main GF staff is that the Hammer Squad boys all wear their woodland camo fatigues, and not their TSAB Browns. But this is for the future.

I've got to admit I was thinking of something more grandiose myself... Rebuilt seems to be staled, but I really like the idea of "StrikerS+OCs+More of everything..." *TK begins pondering...*

Franz will also have a hand in mentoring Teana's combat style; in one scene I've written, he and Nanoha have a strong closed doors professional disagreement about how to train Teana, and he points out to Nanoha that she's the Ace of Aces of aerial mages... while Teana is a Ground mage, and Franz has been a ground mage for 18 years, learning his trade of urban warfare in a hard school called Farbanti Operations Zone Alpha.

Can easily see it happening I acutally had a similar scene in my crack verse if you replace Franz with a Spartan III...

Originally Posted by Keroko

*Whacks Comar over the head* That's my IS dammit!

Anyway, I think this is not an issue of political pushing, but more a an issue of levels.

Let's analyze the numbers: Putting the Wolkenritter together you have:

1 S-rank (Signum)
3 AAA-ranks (Vita, Zafira, hayate(?))
1 AA-rank (Shamal)

Hayate is a wild card, since we never knew her rank prior to StrikerS, but I doubt she was a SS right of the bat, so I'm tempted to label her AAA like her fellow Aces.

In this case you have only one S-rank, three AAA-ranks and one AA rank. Sure, that's a lot of power, but lets compare that to RF6 shall we?

1 SS-rank (Hayate)
3 S-ranks (Nanoha, Signum, Fate)
2 AAA-ranks (Vita, Zafira)
1 AA-rank (Shamal)
1 A-rank (Reinforce)
4 B-ranks (Subaru, Teana, Erio, Vice)
1 C-rank (Caro)

I think RF6 wasn't just so much 'a lot of firepower in one unit' but more 'too much firepower in one unit' RF6 has four over-S-ranked mages in their unit, the Wolkenritter only one, two as soon as Hayate starts leveling. And this was only during their founding, at the end of StrikerS we can tally 3 more AA ranks to the team and one more A rank.

RF6 was simply a case of 'there is no way we can get away with this'

For long under current regs anyway I can see RF6 being allowed to stand or even reform at some future point, but there should be a build up and back story that covers the process and the details of how it happens. Not just "everyone loves them so they get to stick around." or something. The other thing to consider though is, is RF:6 really a good idea as a permanent force? Sure when confronted with a major threat in one area (Jail and the Borgs and the Cradle) such a massing of firepower is warranted, but the fact is that when you mass in one place you strip another.

If Nanoha, Fate and all the Wolkies are sitting around at RF:6 they aren't out in the field adding more muscle to other line units. A single AAA or S rank mage in the right place could easily swing a critical battle so you need to juggle the positives of massing them and the positives of spreading them out. Lacking a clear and distinct threat like Jail presented it becomes debatable if spreading out the heavy hitters of RF:6 to reinforce or lead other units isn't a better use of their talent then massing them all in one place.

Arguments could be made from both sides, but ultimately if RF:6 was to continue some kind of compromise is probably going to be needed. Likely in the form of parceling out some of it's heavy hitters to other units that need them at times.

Tesla doesn't work as Griffith's partner though, since Griffith went to work at the Interstellar Navigation Bureau. She does keep in contact though, and every time she needs to get somewhere, it's Griffith she calls.

AKA Status Quo is god.

Everybody is piling on Hayate's unit continuing, aren't they?

oh well, curious to see as to how this one works out.

Acutally I thought Gooses idea was that it was bigger right from the start not reincarnated later.

Originally Posted by PhoenixFlare

It's admittedly a speculation. With Ground Forces and the Navy not in agreeable terms, the former is likely to impose all sorts of regulations to minimize interference from the Navy. After all, having Navy and Enforcer units in their territory is almost tantamount to them trying to steal the Ground Forces' power, so to speak. Limiters are probably one of the issues fleshed out during the discussion between the two groups, and for RF6 to be able to set up in the territory, they had to agree to some conditions set down by the Ground Forces, which possibly include the issue on limiters. Regius might not be present during the discussion (he made a thorough investigation later, if I remember correctly), but the information was passed down through the line and Regius got wind of it, which explains his irritation and resentment.

Entirely possible to use modern police as an example if a police force wants to operate in another's jurisdiction it plays totally by the home teams rules and conditions, and this is acutally pretty rare to start with as most police forces will want to handle it themselves.

[ghazghkull]

Originally Posted by Tk3997

For long under current regs anyway I can see RF6 being allowed to stand or even reform at some future point, but there should be a build up and back story that covers the process and the tweaks of how it happens. Not just "everyone loves them so they get to stick around." or something. The other thing to consider though is, is RF:6 really a good idea as a permanent force? Sure when confronted with a major threat in one area (Jail and the Borgs and the Cradle) such a massing of firepower is warranted, but the fact is that when you mass in one place you strip another.

If Nanoha, Fate and all the Wolkies are sitting around at RF:6 they aren't out in the field adding more muscle to other line units. A single AAA or S rank mage in the right place could easily swing a critical battle so you need to juggle the positives of massing them and the positives of spreading them out. Lacking a clear and distinct threat like Jail presented it becomes very debatable if spreading out the heavy hitters of RF:6 to reinforce or lead other units isn't a better use of there talent then massing them all in one place.

Arguments could be made from both sides, but ultimately if RF:6 was to continue some kind of compromise is probably going to be needed. Likely in the form of parceling out some of it's heavy hitters to other units that need them at times.

*Noted down for future references in later chapters*

You just gave me something to ponder upon

[Keroko]

Geh, no time for backlog, but a small post in regards to how NOD can grow large in Nanoha, five words: Mass based weaponry and non-mages.

If you spread propaganda on how mages rule everything and provide alternatives to those without magic, one could reign in a lot of recruits.

Of course this is only a raw idea.

[ghazghkull]

Originally Posted by Keroko

Geh, no time for backlog, but a small post in regards to how NOD can grow large in Nanoha, five words: Mass based weaponry and non-mages.

If you spread propaganda on how mages rule everything and provide alternatives to those without magic, one could reign in a lot of recruits.

Of course this is only a raw idea.

Wow....BRAIN STORM!!! XD

*grumbles about how he has to clean his room first though*

[Sheba]

instead of nod, we could just say "non-aligned or antagonist federations/hegemonies/dictatorships"