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Perfect 10 | 78 | 48.45% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 45 | 27.95% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 14 | 8.70% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 14 | 8.70% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 2 | 1.24% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 3 | 1.86% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 0.62% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.62% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 3 | 1.86% | |
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2012-06-24, 02:09 | Link #121 |
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Enjoyed the finale, their moving part of Lancelot's death speech to the end with Saber's reflections really worked quite well in a knife-twisting manner.
But the way they edited Sakura at Kariya's death and consumption really changed the context of the original scene. It almost felt like Loli Dark Sakura had briefly taken control of her and she chucked his body in the worm pit And every scene with Kotomine was amazing, and his bitter disappointment at the sight of the broken Kiritsugu who wasn't even worth killing in the end, a shell of the man he fought the duel to the death with the episode before. I wanna see a HF adaptation even more now just to continue his magnificent bastardry. |
2012-06-24, 02:21 | Link #123 | |
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2012-06-24, 02:22 | Link #124 | |
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July the 6th, right? We shall wait...
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2012-06-24, 03:45 | Link #128 | |
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2012-06-24, 04:01 | Link #131 | ||||||
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Great finale. The only thing I was disappointed with was the lack of a scene for Gilgamesh overcoming the Grail, which was one of the scenes I was looking forward to the most since learning about a prequel to F/SN. It was disappointing when they just showed him already free of it and it made me think the novel glossed over the process too, but it seems such a scene did exist there, so it was probably just skipped and will be in the BDs (hopefully). Once again, much like in Season 1, Gil continues to be the primary sacrificial lamb for the TV edits of the episodes. Goddamn mongrels.
But while Gil was more of a supporting character here (despite the eye-catching nakedness), his partner Kirei received quite a bit of the spotlight, with a mighty powerful conclusion (Jouji Nakata's laughing was delicious) to the spiritual journey he underwent in Fate/Zero. And how fitting was it that he finally and fully accepted his inherently evil nature shortly after he'd become physically heartless as well. However, despite his gleeful laughter, it's clear to me that his emotional outburst was also one of hopeless resignation, hence his tearful expression and self-deprecating words, and I think Gilgamesh understood that as well, hence his own expression as he gazed upon Kirei, which seemed to be (partially) one of pity to me. Pity for the priest who could never find joy or pleasure in anything but that which he's been taught to scorn his entire life. Going back to the BD talk though, it turns out that some of Lancelot's parts whose absence caused so much rage in the previous episode were simply moved over to this one. Not sure how wise a move that was, since, while it did make Saber's end here even more tragic, it still made his own abrupt death rather devoid of emotional impact at the time. Still, better late than never and I'm glad to get a handle on his character after all, though I do hope the BDs will still go more in-depth into him and Arturia and their past. Still, it was a good final speech by the fallen knight, though I wonder just how sincere he was being there when he called Saber the greatest of kings and said everyone at the Round Table felt the same way. Seems to me as if he was mostly just trying to cheer her up now that he'd found atonement at last, because the second part at last we know to be untrue, since Saber mentioned that one knight who left Camelot claiming Arthur didn't understand how others felt. Still, a fitting sendoff for them, as was the case for the remaining cast as well. Kariya's fantasy didn't reveal anything we didn't already know about him, but it was hard-hitting nonetheless, and Waver finally recognizing the potential awesomeness of videogames was also nice. And, last but definitely not least, Kiritsugu also received a very touching conclusion, cementing his role as a great protagonist, even if that wasn't entirely clear at the start of the show. The scene of him finding Shirou was as poignant as I'd hoped, with the latter's narration being very accurate and very heartfelt. After an entire life of nothing but suffering and the end result of it all having been yet another tragedy, simply finding and rescuing one small life was salvation for Kiritsugu's weary and bloodstained heart and soul. Just like Shirou understood, Kiritsugu himself was the one who was truly saved at that moment, and in so many ways. Quote:
It wasn't just about how Kiritsugu ignored him though. Kiritsugu's actions (searching for survivors) were what ticked him off. Kiritsugu had discarded everything and become seemingly empty like Kirei in his quest for the Grail, but at the end of it all, he not only rejected the Grail, but also tried to pick back up that which he'd discarded (his humanity) by looking for lives that could still be saved. After temporarily forcing himself to become like Kirei out of necessity, he went back to his old self (which was made all the more clear by the life he led with Shirou afterwards), which was a huge "fuck you" to Kirei, as it basically sent the message that his existence was wrong (and Kirei has been plagued by existential doubt throughout his entire life). Quote:
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Kerry was cursed because he was bathed in the Grail's contents and offered a wish, but rejected it, which the Grail didn't take well, thus cursing him. Refer to his strangling of Grail!Irisviel in the previous episode. She actually says it out loud "I curse you. Lament until the day you die" etc. Whereas Kirei, who in turn was very much fond of the Grail, was essentially brought back to life by it. You reap what you sow with Grail-kun. Last edited by Vicious108; 2012-06-24 at 04:12. |
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2012-06-24, 04:01 | Link #132 |
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That was a great finale that really tied up the loose threads. Naked Gil was pretty lolworthy, as was seeing Genki Taiga in the background. My favourite moment had to be Saber going back to her living hell and breaking down. That was quite shocking for me because i don;t think we ever saw that happen in the visual novel. This was the first time seeing her so anguished and it really drove home just how much she desired the Holy Grail. In end she never even understood why Kiritsugu ordered her to destroy which must've been even worse. It's bad enough that you put in everything you got and still lose but not even knowing why?
Kariya's dream was also kind of lolworthy because all that was going on in my mind was: Spoiler for Clannad After Story:
For the record, it's explained more in the Visual Novel. XP
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2012-06-24, 05:56 | Link #134 | |
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Now lets hope some fanfic writer/doujin artist does it!
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2012-06-24, 07:20 | Link #136 | |
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I also feel that character resurrection is a horribly overused trope (arguably cliche) in fiction in general, and so I generally don't like seeing it, period. There are exceptions, but this isn't one of them, as it's not like Kirei had to die in order for the plot to work. Kiritsugu could have just knocked him out, or tranquilized him, last episode.
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2012-06-24, 07:41 | Link #137 | |
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Great finale, although it was not perfect.
They badly handled Kariya's death scene. They made Sakura look like a heartless bitch rather than a confused and scared child. My other gripe is the absence of scene where Gil mindfucks the Grail. Hopefully, they'll add it in the BDs. Moving Lancelot's dying speech to this episode is not a bad idea in retrospect. I'm glad the reasons for his madness were explained, even if it remains a bit muddy. The scene where Kirei embraces his true nature was quite gripping. He has finally found the answer to his existential questions, however that answer was the worst possible. He realized he is exactly what he has been taught to loathe his whole life. He is actually quite a tragic character. A man who wished (and tried) to be good and yet can only revel in evil. Quote:
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2012-06-24, 11:57 | Link #139 | |
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Behind Closed Doors Prepare to be blown away by Lancelot & Guinevere's bedroom antics with Arturia! |
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2012-06-24, 12:10 | Link #140 | |
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