[Game] Umineko - Spoilers, Theories, Interpretations

[LyricalAura]

You can say plenty of things about the Invisible Pink Unicorn in any of the colors. After all, if it's right here and you can't see it, it must be invisible. You'll just have to take the pink part on faith, but it wouldn't be called the Invisible Pink Unicorn if it were green, would it?

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by LyricalAura

You can say plenty of things about the Invisible Pink Unicorn in any of the colors. After all, if it's right here and you can't see it, it must be invisible. You'll just have to take the pink part on faith, but it wouldn't be called the Invisible Pink Unicorn if it were green, would it?

Yeah but that red doesn't disprove it.

Again unless it appear in the story you wouldn't even be able to make a gold text about it because it's out of context. None of the texts would even work hypothetically without a context.

I always have the feeling you don't really have in mind the golden truth said by Beatrice. That "magic" young sis Beato used had nothing to do with the story. It wasn't an event that happened in the game.

[Judoh]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

I always have the feeling you don't really have in mind the golden truth said by Beatrice. That "magic" young sis Beato used had nothing to do with the story. It wasn't an event that happened in the game.

What do you expect? I haven't read the game yet!. All I've had is the red in the wiki to guess what the context is. I've been playing pin the tail on the donkey here thus far!

[DgBarca]

Hum. So I (we) started to read EP6 and in the first scene of Battler in the closed room, he remebers something about his past.
Battler's sin in related to a closed room ?

[Judoh]

Originally Posted by DgBarca

Hum. So I (we) started to read EP6 and in the first scene of Battler in the closed room, he remebers something about his past.
Battler's sin in related to a closed room ?

I'm spoilered enough to know this scene foreshadows to the logic error. I don't think it's about his sin. He might have been punished by being locked in a closet as a kid though.

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by Judoh

What do you expect? I haven't read the game yet!. All I've had is the red in the wiki to guess what the context is. I've been playing pin the tail on the donkey here thus far!

What the hell are you waiting for? Go play it right now!

[DgBarca]

Spoiler for Screenshot:

I am sure you know the thing I want to link that with.

[Jan-Poo]

Sorry, too many people and too many theories, and I suck at organizing. What do you link it to?

[DgBarca]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

Sorry, too many people and too many theories, and I suck at organizing. What do you link it to?

07151129
But I wouldn't be surprised if it was something about 07th Expansion. It starts with 07 after all.

Spoiler for Screenshot:

I laughed.

[Jan-Poo]

however the same process doesn't work. 07151129 is not the power of anything nor is its reverse.

[DgBarca]

Spoiler for EP6:

Wow wow wow wow !!!
The thing with Moetrice and Beatroll...It just...point directly at Shannon !
Like Kanon metaphor with the moon reflecting with the water...Beatrice was reflecting on Rokkenjima on the mirror, then the image of the witch broke into two equal part, like Moetrice and Beatroll. But still the "true witch" is still here, but on Rokkenjima, there is a witch broken in two parts.

The new part that was created was...a child ? or simply love ?
Then, with something like the pony theory, we can theories that Battler sin is not to have hurt Shannon, but to make her know love, and then she wanted to become human (and she fall in love with George and mirror and all)

It is just like the actual theory says...but I don't know if it was like with the mirror and Beatrice.

[ElderKain]

WOW! a big hint was released in Ep6 after Battler starts the game. It's about the game pieces & their existence & how they compare to the real world..

Spoiler for Ep6 Spoiler & ElderKain's Response:

Fetherine states that as long as the vessel of the game piece is safe, then the piece can be revived over and over again on the gameboard. like Sakutaro's a stuffed animal, but in Maria's gameboard he is like any other character and thus he has a human-like form. But when that vessel was destroyed, he was removed from the gameboard until Ange bright Sakutaro back.

My speculation on this comment/setting is that none of the characters on the island are even dead at all. because if they were all dead, then they couldn't be revived, meaning that their physical bodies are alive in the real world. ^,^

So it is possible for the game to end where every1 survives in the end, and and Past Ange can get her Onii-chan back ^.^

That's my theory on this situation.

[Jan-Poo]

I wish that was true. But if that was really the case Kinzo couldn't be used as a piece ^^;

[Almazluverdis3]

I never played the game either. Partly because the 07th Expansion website is blocked here. I dunno why.

[ElderKain]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

I wish that was true. But if that was really the case Kinzo couldn't be used as a piece ^^;

Spoiler for Theory:

But he isn't dead in memory, so as long as a the pieces believe him to be alive, his existence hasn't been completely destroyed, meaning even though the red truth says he is dead, the pieces can't use or read the red truth so in a way he isn't really dead.
In a way, Kinzo could be considered a Phantom piece because his death hasn't been proven at the start of the game.

If he was dead at the start of all the games, that means his death was before the game was created. Meaning that even if every1 survives, Kinzo couldn't because he was already dead to begin with. His phantom piece is still alive on the gameboard, because his dead hasn't been proved yet.

That's my theory on that ^.^

[Renall]

Random note:

During the ep6 Kyrie/Jessica confrontation, Kyrie insinuates having a "master" who gave her "certainty."

So is Kyrie Lambda's piece?

[Jan-Poo]

He... you noticed.

It seems to allude so. But I have he feeling that whoever follows the path of "certainty" is automatically considered Lambda's protegee.

Still it's fun to think that Kyrie seems to know that Lambda exists.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Renall

So is Kyrie Lambda's piece?

It's not just Kyrie. Evatrice, early in Ep3, refers to her magic in a way very reminiscent of the whole 'certainty' concept... and then there's Beatrice comparing Natsuhi's magic to Lambdadelta's...

I think that all the adult women are Lambda's pieces, at this point.

[Renall]

That only makes certain theories of Lambda/Battler collusion more credible, doesn't it?

EDIT: Incidentally, several times Hachijou speaks as if she is not actually the writer. Featherine never does this.

[Judoh]

Originally Posted by Oliver

Short, profound, abstract thought.

We are usually operating on the assumption that scenes where Battler is present to observe them are presented as he sees them. This does not always produce good results, but if we cast that off we got nothing to step on.

But let's try again from a different direction. What if an objectively observing narrator exists, but it is someone else?

That is, which other characters aren't seen when anything magical happens, survive for long enough, and can be believed to have a very factual point of view?

Kumasawa I think. Other than Nanjo she has a pretty high survival rate. She's only been in the first twilight once. And I think she has at least some common sense so her perspective should be semi-factual. She could also be narrating the boiler room scene in EP1 if you really want to stretch it.