2007-08-30, 12:45 | Link #1 |
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Why is gundam leaning toward the "godly" type?
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Why are the newer gundams series (G, W, Seed, and possibly OO) so "fake"? Of course gundams are not real, but i meant fake in the sense that one gundam takes down numerous enemies without a scratch? The point I'm trying to get at is that newer gundam series always consist of say >10 "main character" gundams circling around pwning everyone else. It's almost as I'm watching Mazinger Z... or Power Ranger (maybe this is a bad analogy). I guess I just miss the old ones where they have mass military action (involving at least more than 5 gundams at once! And non-gundam MS actually make an impact). Open for discussion. |
2007-08-30, 13:29 | Link #2 |
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I know what you mean . . . . yes while a lot of the original older series only had a few Gundams and none of them owned everyone the newer series are the opposite.
I'll be honest though, it doesn't bother me that much. I don't mind seeing Kria or Heero take on numrous enemiies and wipe them all out . . .I dunno. I mean I guess it could be possible to make a Gundam more powerful than the rest. It is just something that will always be debatble I guess. While I like series like the MS 08th Team for the even playing field, I thought Seed was good as wel. The way I think about it is a video game . . . .there are those who are really bad, them those who can win a few, and then the unstoppable player who can beat all and never lose. I guess it applies to anything really whether a sport or game or even Gundams? I don't know why the newer series are made to have the main character so invincible lately . . . . . |
2007-08-30, 14:50 | Link #3 |
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I think a lot of it comes down to models and MSIA and other figures and such. Look at it this way. While I LOVE the RX-78-2 design, look at it this way. What does it have for features as a model or figure? 2 Beam sabers, a rifle, bazooka, and the Gundam Hammer if included. It has the Core Fighter as a "transformation" and thats it. Now, lets look at some of the newer Gundams. Wing ZERO (TV Version) for instance. It has a beam saber, the buster rifle, and a transformation gimmick. The Strike and Impulse have each have the hip stored daggers, beam sabers, swappable equipment packs (and in the case of the Strike, the main body color remains the same so you get effectively 3 Gundams in one), and with the Impulse, a similar Core Block-like system.
Ignoring the fact that the RX-78-2 sells like hotcakes anyway because its a classic design, compare it to, say, the RX-79[G] Ground Type Gundam. Pretty much the same equipment loadout as the RX-78-2. The market is for these flashy Gundams with all sorts of bits and bobs all over. Thats why we see the Gundams getting more Super Robot style and less of a war machine like the early UC Gundams were. Kids want to see all he gimmicks of the Gundam in action and have all the same gimmicks on their model or MSIA. That's probably why the Exia has, what, 7 different types of blades on it. Because it gives them a more accessories to slap onto the figures they put out. Thats just my feelings on it though. |
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2007-08-30, 21:19 | Link #5 |
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I don't really see SEED gundams as godly. At least, not so if you compare to Wing gundams. Wing gundams just stand there and take the hit because their gundanium is just so strong. SEED gundams actually have to dodge. Normal beams from normal mobile suits if they hit anywhere but the shield will take off that part off. Hence, I don't find the SEED gundams so godly. They're just piloted by better pilots than the average and the gundams are just a bit faster.
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2007-08-30, 22:27 | Link #8 |
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Especially lost episode of Destiny. Armies? who needs them when could get a ace and put him him in a newest MS then you got your army right there. S Freedom goes into battle and start beam spamming everyone and for some reason not even one out of few hundred ZAFT MS are able to hit it. I agree with you that now Gundam doesn't even need any military tactic now it became one MS > few hundred MS. Grunts really seems useless now, back in UC and somewhat in X and I guess Turn A, they did make some difference now all they do is get owned and yelling some Gundam that are about to own them.
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2007-08-30, 22:43 | Link #10 |
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I personally dont think the heroes are getting better.. If anything, the grunts are becoming more crappier to make the heroes look more mightier....
I suppose shooting grunts flying in straight lines or grunts floating idle does help to make these days gundam heroes look godly.... If only these grunt pilots did actually took a training session in controlling MS's we might actually see some performance from them than the typical spamming material.... But im guessing thats todays fashion in gundam lately |
2007-08-30, 22:48 | Link #11 |
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Personally, I prefer CE Gundams as they were more balanced. In terms of specifications, they fell between the standard gundams from MSG and the uber gundams from the AC universe.
I do kinda hate the gundams in SEED Destiny. A bit too overpowered, especially Strike Freedom. It was like they combined every uber weapon and put it on the Strike Freedom, from the extended shield, the uber Freedom guns, and the DRAGOON system. The Strike and Impulse with swappable weapons and limited power seemed nicer... maybe because they present a struggle for their pilots to use. I do still love the Freedom just because it looks so badass. The first time it showed up in SEED protecting the Archangel at Alaska was just sooo badass. |
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I'd love it if they really made a Gundam show where the "hero" pilots are toned down, and line pilots are shown to be more competent, but this is as unlikely as a realistic Gundam show. Quote:
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It'd be great if we saw more of this in Gundam 00.
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2007-08-30, 23:22 | Link #15 | |
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2007-08-30, 23:40 | Link #17 |
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Numbers mean nothing if they are useless to a point of not having them...
Wing and Seed series have shown multiple times that grunts doing nothing but aimlessly just sitting there begging to get shot at..... Yes you can have 100 MS vs 1 Gundam... But its no good if they all keep on missing retardedly or refuse to use shields effectivly or cant even perform evasive Maneuvers. Hell i bet they dont even know what the meaning *dodge* is... Things like these what makes the Gundam pilots look godly.... Even in UC amuro had problems taking down grunts... or should i say take *longer* time to take down grunts.... Grunts that know how to fight, in general can be quite a deadly opposition.. But in the later Gundam series thats one thing we dont see much of.. Hell i dont really remember if wing and seed grunts even know how to use cover effectively. |
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What cover is there to hide behind? Even the heroes don't use cover, they just dodge. I have to say the AC series gundams were definitely way more overpowered than the SEED gundams. The SEED gundams actually lead squads of line suits to fight whereas the AC series just sit there and tank the grunts. |
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No offence neutalizer but the red coats is something i would expect from from green coats minus the gundams.... Seems that the red coats are able to do one of the minimal requirements. TO BE EFFECTIVE instead of being useless cannon fodder as green coats have demonstrated through both series. Quote:
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My point i wanting to bring out is that without effective common everyday grunt with some common sense, they are only there to promote the heroes godly skills... Look at those DOM troopers for example. They are not heroes but at least they had some skill and tactics which made them look Effective And you can tell straight away that they are not going to go down in less than a second against a Hero unit.... If every low life grunt unit could act in this fashion at least would make the shows more believable. Which would also illustastrate that the Heroes are not too Godly. |
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In SEED, most of the fights occur in mid-air or in space. Where is there cover in the middle of space in mid-air? Even the few ground combat ones like say the battle with BuCUES in the desert, it's the desert. It's barren. There is no cover for them to even use if they want. |
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