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[Icy.Tear]

All it says is: Index Gaiden, Railgun SS, author, illustrator, character designer

Sidebar talks about the work.

[Mr.Kyon]

Originally Posted by zaeraal

Can someone translate the "FULL name" of this "uiharu" SS from this image?

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I don't remember reading that... What chapter?

[Miraluka]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

I was referring to when Fiamma tried to consume Touma's right hand,; Imagine Breaker would have been separated from Touma's body hence it's no longer being limited by restraining that power right? So it should be at full strength.

I don't think so, the text says the Imagine Breaker still was there on the severed right hand, so its another being/power on Touma alongside with the "invisible thing".

About Uiharu' SS, its not worth enough to have a "Tittle: ***" format style .

[Breidaluk]

well, changing the topic( and i don`t know if this was already commented before), you don`t think is strange the name DRAGON reffering to aiwass? It reminds me of deep blood arc when touma loses his hand and in its place appears dragon head. another theory about the "thing" inside touma its problably the power that aleister is refining using Academic City as a temple, if not is a power somehow related to aiwass, don`t you think?
Oh!! Sorry about my english. I need more practice(much more).

[NightGale]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

I was referring to when Fiamma tried to consume Touma's right hand,; Imagine Breaker would have been separated from Touma's body hence it's no longer being limited by restraining that power right? So it should be at full strength.

Ah sorry sorry, since you mentioned the giant sword incident, i though you were referring to that battle. I see your point...and it´s a good one... hmm, if i had to say something it will be that as mentioned in that particular chapter, Touma used IB even without his arm to diffuse Fiamma´s giant spiral of light(star burning power, sounds over the top,xD), so it´s possible that the arm is just like the baton that Awaki uses: Something that allows to either channel of concentrate it´s power, but not something indispensable to use it(Terra even created the hypothesis that the IB true form could "permeate" all his body), as for if that´s the case why didn´t the Touma pre-memory wipe didn´t use it like that is probably because of "output limit" or even trauma like with Awaki (The fact that he disregarded his power as useless is something that strikes me as important, or maybe depression from a life of misfortune, ?)

Originally Posted by Wilfriback

I don't think so, the text says the Imagine Breaker still was there on the severed right hand, so its another being/power on Touma alongside with the "invisible thing".

Hmm maybe what Fiamma saw was residual power? unlike the baton that Awaki uses, that arm is part of his body, so regardless of the fact of whether or not that arm is the source of IB, some kind of residual energy(or lack of it...), should remain in that arm... is Fiamma though of that residual power as IB, then it´s possible that that severed arm had as much "output" as when he had been fighting Touma before even if it just was an small portion of IB(well using the logic of my theory,xD)

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Breidaluk

well, changing the topic( and i don`t know if this was already commented before), you don`t think is strange the name DRAGON reffering to aiwass? It reminds me of deep blood arc when touma loses his hand and in its place appears dragon head. another theory about the "thing" inside touma its problably the power that aleister is refining using Academic City as a temple, if not is a power somehow related to aiwass, don`t you think?
Oh!! Sorry about my english. I need more practice(much more).

Unfortunately it doesn't mean anything- [Dragon] is this series has symbolic meanings to a whole range of things, anything from Angels to Devils... Or at least a being of great power.

Originally Posted by NightGale

as for if that´s the case why didn´t the Touma pre-memory wipe didn´t use it like that is probably because of "output limit" or even trauma like with Awaki (The fact that he disregarded his power as useless is something that strikes me as important, or maybe depression from a life of misfortune, ?)

This is my theory... And it's only a theory... Recall that when Touma was a kid, bad things kept happening to people around him, maybe even dangerous things. Maybe when Imagine Breaker was at it's full power in the past- his negation of luck was stronger; strong enough to really affect people around him. But by restricting his power to his right hand, he is limiting his bad luck only to himself.

[NightGale]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

This is my theory... And it's only a theory... Recall that when Touma was a kid, bad things kept happening to people around him, maybe even dangerous things. Maybe when Imagine Breaker was at it's full power in the past- his negation of luck was stronger; strong enough to really affect people around him. But by restricting his power to his right hand, he is limiting his bad luck only to himself.

That actually sounds quite likely... i haven´t read Angel Fall (I started reading from vol 7 onwards since at that time i had already seen the anime and those four volumes were a bit on the to-do list of ThePing- no js06.exe at that time i´m afraid,xD), but in the anime i believe the mentioned something about the people around him shunning him because they tough of his bad luck maybe be curse or something? anyway that´s why his father sent him to AC, since he didn´t found help for his son in spiritualism, maybe science could do the trick... I also tough that maybe he was depressed because he failed to save someone in the past, i mean he had quite a bit of "hero complex" going for him at that time... (the current Touma is a bit different in that regard)

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by NightGale

I also tough that maybe he was depressed because he failed to save someone in the past, i mean he had quite a bit of "hero complex" going for him at that time... (the current Touma is a bit different in that regard)

You mean before he met Index? Yeah I've thought about that, but that incident with the Aluminum Can Bomber, Touma did save those people but he didn't care about the recognition... Or was it just not heroic enough ?

[NightGale]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

You mean before he met Index? Yeah I've thought about that, but that incident with the Aluminum Can Bomber, Touma did save those people but he didn't care about the recognition... Or was it just not heroic enough ?

Yeah i meant that Touma. And about Aluminum Can Bomber... true quite heroic, but what i meant with "hero complex" is that he had the dark aura of someone who failed to protect and wanted to somehow redeem himself, or something like that... the current Touma even denied the need of heroes but the previous one called himself one when he decided how to save Index, that´s quite a gap.

[Miraluka]

Originally Posted by NightGale

Ah sorry sorry, since you mentioned the giant sword incident, i though you were referring to that battle. I see your point...and it´s a good one... hmm, if i had to say something it will be that as mentioned in that particular chapter, Touma used IB even without his arm to diffuse Fiamma´s giant spiral of light(star burning power, sounds over the top,xD), so it´s possible that the arm is just like the baton that Awaki uses: Something that allows to either channel of concentrate it´s power, but not something indispensable to use it(Terra even created the hypothesis that the IB true form could "permeate" all his body), as for if that´s the case why didn´t the Touma pre-memory wipe didn´t use it like that is probably because of "output limit" or even trauma like with Awaki (The fact that he disregarded his power as useless is something that strikes me as important, or maybe depression from a life of misfortune, ?)

If you take a recall at vol.1 it was implied he never liked his power for various reasons until he met Index and co. Don't take in account that Railgun's passage that seriously.
Also during his chilhood I would say that people were being too supersticious and start a huge collective hysteria making a young Touma to look as some kind of monster.

Originally Posted by NightGale

Hmm maybe what Fiamma saw was residual power? unlike the baton that Awaki uses, that arm is part of his body, so regardless of the fact of whether or not that arm is the source of IB, some kind of residual energy(or lack of it...), should remain in that arm... is Fiamma though of that residual power as IB, then it´s possible that that severed arm had as much "output" as when he had been fighting Touma before even if it just was an small portion of IB(well using the logic of my theory,xD)

IMO, it doesn't makes sense, because then it wouldn't be a power based on the right hand thus making his arm useless for Fiamma's Holy Right .

VOL20 War Report at its 40%

[Sumeragi]

The whole discussion about Touma's right hand reminds me of Wolverine.

Magneto once forcibly removed the adamantium from Wolverine's skeleton. Wolverine's healing factor greatly increased in speed and efficiency later on, due to the fact that the adamantium in his bones used a considerable amount of his healing factor on a constant basis.

So basically, it could be that the Imagine Breaker is holding back the full power of Touma, which would be frightening to see.

[Breidaluk]

that would also means that IB is not touma´s power or is something used for touma don´t use his powers.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Breidaluk

that would also means that IB is not touma´s power or is something used for touma don´t use his powers.

I don't know how else you could describe it; the right arm attached to the boy called Kamijou Touma possesses the unique power of Imagine Breaker. Which by all definition means that it is Touma's power.

[Miraluka]

http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/in...e20_War_Report

With the War Report and the afterwords done the vol. 20 is complete!

[shmaster]

IB identify Touma's right hand as its proper host, and only Touma's right hand.
So where ever Touma's right hand goes, IB follows.
So when Fiamma cut off the arm and absorbed it, IB went with it.
But when Touma regrow his right hand... it is Touma's right hand on Touma and Touma's right hand in Fiamma. IB made the obvious choice on where to go.

My own theory, the power that is present at where Touma's cut off right arm originally is.... is really the power of the entity inside him that overlapped with where IB originally is when the arm is still attached.

[outerelf]

I...I think I'm gonna be up all night waiting for the parts with Shiage and Aqua translated- even that small part there was made me nearly go faint from the crushing bro-power.

Also, on who has the greatest man-crush on Touma? Aleister does of course. He's a very creepy Yandere, I mean, he already said no one else is allowed to have Touma, and gave orders to have him brought back forcibly no matter what.

[Okashira]

Originally Posted by NightGale

the current Touma even denied the need of heroes but the previous one called himself one when he decided how to save Index, that´s quite a gap.

For what I remember this is a "major" miss translation (well, it's not major but it can be taken the "other way" on how it's phrased) and it always strucks me how this line is quoted just everywhere. The original text said something like "I don't want to be a hero" and then he looked his right hand and said "But I'll get to be the hero". The sentence implied that that he has no interest in being a hero, but since he is forced to have the imagine breaker and the imagine breaker is just was needed to save Index, he'll have to play the hero for once; even though that normally useless hand that he has doesn't raise his bad scores and keeps him unpopular with the girls and the other bad things.

Even going further, that he uses the Kanji of "Main character" for that expression (and the furigana of Hero), so that already changes the "hero" meaning of the word.

To me the biggest thing about old Touma is that he referred to God and "His system", something that the new Touma hasn't done at all.

Originally Posted by outerelf

Also, on who has the greatest man-crush on Touma? Aleister does of course. He's a very creepy Yandere, I mean, he already said no one else is allowed to have Touma, and gave orders to have him brought back forcibly no matter what.

For some reason I kinda like this thinking.... I'm scarred of myself.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Okashira

For what I remember this is a "major" miss translation (well, it's not major but it can be taken the "other way" on how it's phrased) and it always strucks me how this line is quoted just everywhere. The original text said something like "I don't want to be a hero" and then he looked his right hand and said "But I'll get to be the hero". The sentence implied that that he has no interest in being a hero, but since he is forced to have the imagine breaker and the imagine breaker is just was needed to save Index, he'll have to play the hero for once; even though that normally useless hand that he has doesn't raise his bad scores and keeps him unpopular with the girls and the other bad things.

If that's the case, it's definitely more in-line with what's Touma's mindset during the Aluminium Can Bomber incident; he's not the type that wants to accept credit or role for being a Hero- he just so happens to play the hero at that time.

Well, I'll keep this in mind to use for the next time someone else brings it up.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Vol 20 afterword

In a large fight, do not make “excuses” and do not stray from your path. That is most likely the most important thing needed for all the protagonists to have victory in the large flow that is a war.

I've always thought that Kamachi seems to have interesting concepts of what a 'Hero/Protagonist/Main Character' should be. In this case, the moral of the lesson for both Touma and Accelerator is to not forget what's the most important thing and not get bogged down by excuses.

Originally Posted by Vol 20 afterword

How many protagonists are there going to be?

-Kamachi Kazuma

Many more I hope

[Master Assassin]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Many more I hope

In before Fiamma / Ollerus becomes one.