2009-01-03, 22:30 | Link #302 |
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This whole thing about 'what is someone's name' has me a bit edgy. Names are important in almost all magic-related fantasies, but we don't know the rules for how people are named in Umineko.
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2009-01-03, 23:38 | Link #308 |
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This might be weird, but what about 'missing people' ? I mean, if someone actually manage to fake his/her death, can you count him/her as 'survivors' ? For some reason, calling them as survivors are kinda weird for some reasons. Also, because he/she does not die yet, they can't be counted as 'the dead' Or perhaps, the words 'survivor' actually means for one who survived the twilight killing and had been targetted before ?
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2009-01-03, 23:44 | Link #309 | |
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2009-01-03, 23:47 | Link #310 |
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Well, that's the problem for me
Isn't it simpler to say : All humans in this island have an alibi. That also includes the dead. But, Beato seems to play with her words But it's beat that we're talking about, so I'm not pretty sure myself. Well, that still didn't answer this though : Spoiler:
I don't get it, the red text in this chapter is deadly . .
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2009-01-04, 00:34 | Link #312 | |
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And it's likely that someone took over Kanon's title by inheriting a symbolic item indicating this. But what contradicts the imposter theory is that everyone recognized Kanon almost immediately. Surely, the servants don't simply look for items that represent a person in particular, they must've stared into Kanon's face to address him as Kanon. Now, I don't trust any of the meta-world stuff, however, Kanon's eye color was red when Genji and the others found him, yet no one among them pointed out this obvious trait. If this was an artifact of magic, then it's insigificant, since it's not real. But if his eye color existed parallely in the real world, then something's wrong. Also when Shanon brought in the cobwebs, I assume the imposter was killed, so who ended up killing everyone then? On the other hand, if it was the real Kanon Shanon killed, then he must've not been the killer responsible for eliminating the rest of the Ushiromiya members. |
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2009-01-04, 01:03 | Link #314 |
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In ep2, Kanon's death was confirmed in red by Beato, right after Jessica's corpse was found.
Kanon was killed in this room. This room meaning Jessica's room. She also says the same thing again later.
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2009-01-04, 01:42 | Link #316 |
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Ah the complexities of not knowing everything that is and is not fact.
Word games and titles designed to keep the reader in the dark until the end. Like Higurashi, we are missing something important that just is not clear in the first four episodes...once it gets told in the answers arcs, it will be "oh of course, that fits" moments all around...but the connecting pieces are missing still...or out of order.
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2009-01-04, 01:44 | Link #317 |
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Putting aside the "mutiple Kanon" possibilty for now, and assuming Beatrice isn't being cheesy by saying refering a person by his real name (kinda like saying Shannon is dead but actually Sayo is not), Kanon's condition as a corpse in ep1-4
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It is implied that the game starts when everyone is gathered on Rokkenjima.
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