2013-02-08, 11:53 | Link #101 |
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it's practically a given since kishi keeps reminding us that tobirama invented the technique. this is the triumphant return of konoha's legends from an eternal prison of suffering. they'll have their time to shine for certain before they all make peace and have their souls go where they belong
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2013-02-08, 14:58 | Link #102 | |
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I don't even want to write about how wrong this is, since Hunter already did that. But reading this after reading the current chapter made it clear: if the Hokages were not scared of the Uchiha clan for the reason explained in this chapter and if Danzou didn't plot against both the Uchiha and the village then it would be very clear that Itachi must be made the next hokage, that is the 5th hokage. Page 11 tells us that the old 3rd hokage was aware that when Itachi was just 7 years old he was already thinking like a hokage. He was already considered a prodigy and we have already seen how strong he became multiple times (best example was shortly after he joined akatsuki he easily beats Orochimaru who almost became the 4th hokage). Add to this that making Itachi the hokage could have been the best and only peaceful soltution to the conflict between the village and the Uchiha. The elders should have decided and the 3rd hokage should have told to Itachi: "You are the next hokage", at age 13 (many became kages at a young age, Gaara, Sarutobi, the mizukage that was controlled, all far weaker than Itachi at that age). And if Danzou were a guy who works for the village he would have accepted that. If the 3rd was a flawless leader he would have not only done that but also he would have killed Danzou if necessary. Last edited by Ero-Senn1n; 2013-02-08 at 15:24. |
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2013-02-08, 23:48 | Link #103 | |
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2013-02-09, 03:22 | Link #104 |
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Is oro-zetsu weak because zetsu was weak, like fragile? Or was zetsu called weak for some other reason like not having jujutsu?
I would say wow oro can steal chakra now but he could probably already do that anyways... So who is going to win sasuke vs the 2nd? And why would sasuke fight zombies? He took off his cloak and activated his ms he has to fight someone here
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2013-02-09, 08:17 | Link #105 |
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Ahahaha, Hashirama is hilarious. I like him a lot.
Aaaand apparently the Uchiha are now genetically predisposed to become emo. Actually, I don't know about the majority of people, but I'm sort of willing to give the writer a bit of a break on that one now. Not so much forgive Sasuke, but at least the writer gave us something of an explanation as to why he (And Obito and Madara) are like that. So... Love makes you evil, and grants you the power of hate. |
2013-02-09, 11:46 | Link #107 |
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I think this was one of the best chapters of the last two years.
Who would have thought that Hashirama had this kind of personality, I was expecting an Aizen-like personality with a touch of compassion. I guess it was hinted before that he would be like Naruto but it seems that Hashirama has gone over a pretty big transformation since the time that Orichimaru summoned him to fight the Third. At first, I did crinch at the fact at the love angle that was proposed for the reasoning of the Uchiha curse, but I've more accepting of that now. The only thing that I don't like is the notion that their brains are actually altered after experiencing loss, are you telling me that they are not acting rationally because they are mentally sick? If Obito or Sasuke had talked to a psychiatrist, would they have turned out fine? I don't want to give excuses for the action that the Uchiha has taken, but now they have officially become scapegoats. Oh well, let' see where it takes us. |
2013-02-09, 12:36 | Link #108 | |
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you see when one goes through deep emotion trauma and then obtains great power just after the loss, would you not put that to use and try make your self feel better through any means necessary, when one does go through such a state normally wild and destructive thoughts are floating in the mind but they are not executable, but when you obtain a power that can make that possible and put others to misery only so that you are not the only one suffering, it's not the same as for your question, i don't think it would have been any different if the two had actually met a psychiatrist and neither they are mentally sick but are just powerful enough to make things happen that normally a person lacks when under depression
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2013-02-09, 14:37 | Link #109 |
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It's not that they are mentally sick (although it's funnier to say it this way) but it does alter their behavior. Basically their relation with anguish, hatred, power and chakra is a vicious circle : their anguish and pain directly translate into more power and stronger/darker chakra which in turn increase their hatred which lead to even more power, etc.
The fact that Senju DNA seems to increase all Uchiha traits could even explain an extreme case like Obito who changed from a good guy to a maniac virtually instantly. |
2013-02-09, 16:38 | Link #110 | |
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Naruto is reaching a level beyond kage both in terms of power and thinking. Of course he is dumb, so by thinking i don't mean intelligence but the way he thinks about the world. Of course he has to since Jiraiya did entrust him to bring peace for the world. But its difficult to have him in that role if he is represents one village, unless the current ninja alliance between villages becomes even stronger, but what would be Naruto's role in bringing peace if this war already brought a final world peace. So Kishimoto can choose to have Naruto as hokage in a ninja alliance of the peaceful times, this is less realistic in my opinion, but of course the manga is not about being realistic. It would actually be boring to have Naruto become hokage. The other issue that is more interesting than the peace between villages is the inner peace of a village. Until now they had their tailed beasts, and they made huge sacrifices in order to have those demons at disposal, it clearly destabilized the villages, there was much hatred because of all the people that were sacrificed and also the tailed beasts were kept as slaves. Obviously Naruto won't allow that to happen, he already made a promise to let these 9 go free, but if he just freed them into the world there would be trouble, some organizations and villages would go after them. The solution to this might involve Naruto not becoming the hokage, he could give up his personal dream in order to make justice for both these 9 tailed beasts that were treated like slaves for decades and also for the Uchiha by letting Sasuke become hokage. Because if Naruto doesn't want to become hokage and Sasuke at last joins Naruto then the only possible candidate for hokage would be Sasuke, he's far stronger than anyone from Konoha, just like Itachi was. I hope Kishimoto reminds us that Itachi had the right to become hokage but was denied because of his heritage, if Naruto ever tells that Sasuke should be the 6th there surely will be people to oppose it because of the clan even if Sasuke just recently saved Naruto and with it the whole world, and of course that would give Kishimoto the opportunity to write a really emotional and cheesy speech for Naruto |
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2013-02-09, 22:09 | Link #114 | |
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2013-02-10, 01:04 | Link #115 | |
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I do like the irony of Sasuke as the Hokage, since that would mean that an Uchiha is finally fully accepted as part of the village and he is tasked with watching over the village he once condemned and hated, but with his personality, the wanderer role seems better suited. He doesn't have much of a meaningful relationship with anyone there (except perhaps Kakashi, or Sakura if you want to push it), and to me it would be fitting for him to travel the world, spreading a world paradigm of peace learned from Naruto and righting the wrongs that he happens to come across, considering how much wrong and controversy he has managed to cause himself. Naruto traveling would be a great read also, considering he was tasked to spread peace throughout the world; it also makes sense. As I said, I think it would be a great read regardless of who wanders, but Sasuke as the hokage just doesn't feel like the best fit. Even after reconciling through whatever means (saving Naruto's life, saving the entire village, etc.) I just don't see the people loving Sasuke as much as they love Naruto. |
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2013-02-10, 05:41 | Link #117 | |
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In case of Naruto calling it "philosophy" would be strange
But rather than trying to analyze it here are some examples: - he doesn't want to choose between the village and Sasuke, that's not standard hokage thinking, even Itachi chose the village over his clan and the 3rd says he was thinking like a hokage - Naruto decided to forgive Pain/Nagato and let him go, he even had a serious debate with Ino's and Shikamaru's father - he promised to the 9 tailed beasts to set them free, but he should know that in the current ninja village system both these tailed beasts and the hosts are simply regarded as property of the village Quote:
That's surely the biggest problem with the idea. But the ex-genins of his ninja academy class were as close to him as to Naruto, even if now they want to kill him but there was a time when they risked their life to return him to the village telling that he is one of them. So the situation can be reversed. And its not unprecedented, just look at Gaara, he was hated by the village and was murdering people even inside the village, then suddenly after a timeskip he becomes the kazekage and sand genin girls throw their panties at him lol. If Naruto were to just drag back Sasuke to Konoha and many people were still against an Uchiha being in the village then we would be back at square one, that is nothing changed in the relation of the village and Uchiha. Last edited by Ero-Senn1n; 2013-02-10 at 06:20. |
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2013-02-10, 16:06 | Link #119 |
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I don't think Naruto ever forgave Nagato.
And before you go raging against me, I'd like to point out that not killing a guy isn't the same as forgiving them. He actually allowed Nagato to take responsibility for his actions. To forgive is not to let them go, but to absolve them of responsibility. |
2013-02-10, 16:39 | Link #120 |
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And Itachi also left. .
For the peace of the nations alliance, someone so singularly powerful could not exist or claim residence within one country. That would just promote fear which would lead to war. Hashirama understood this when he split up the Bijuu. Th only way I could see Naruto staying in Konoha to become the next Hokage is if he loses the Kyuubi (as it is, I fully expect Sasuke to lose his eyes by the end of the series, or have them simply evolve to the Rinnegan, thus destroying the instability that is the Sharingan). |
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