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Tiresias · 2011-08-10, 01:45

Speaking of Vivid, since we already saw a cameo of Vivio and Heidi in Force do you think Touma would make an appearance in Vivid?

Zero Hurricane · 2011-08-10, 04:22

I personally don't know, because when the Vivid series runs, Thoma was still in his village before the massacre occurred. Even then Lily and Isis are still doing their own activities before the three of them met.

So, if he already know Vivio, Thoma, surely he is also known Heidi, right? And that's not including her school friends.

00-Raiser · 2011-08-10, 06:53

No, Thoma's home town was destroyed 7 years ago, meaning 5 years before Vivid. He met Subaru long before the events of Vivid.

Zero Hurricane · 2011-08-10, 07:05

Oh, I see. By the time of ViViD, he still 13 years old, isn't it? Maybe by the time of ViViD he still venturing from one place to another place to find to find the perpetrators who committed genocide in the village where he lived, that called Vaizen?

Now more and more obvious. Thanks for the information, Raiser.

Keroko · 2011-08-10, 07:37

He only started to travel fairly recently when Force began, he should still be around during Vivid. Remember though, he's living at an orphanage, not the Nakajima's. The reason he was traveling was to get some closure before being adopted.

mechdra · 2011-08-10, 08:39

I guess we might meet Tohma probably after DSSA in Vivid. By the looks of it, Subaru and her family looks free at the time they invite Tohma to join the family. We might see the rocess along the way probably after the tournament. This means that Vivio, Einhart and all their friends will meet Tohma. There might be even a high chance for him to meet Lutecia if she still hang around after DSSA.

Rising Dragon · 2011-08-10, 11:08

I get the feeling that any appearance Touma makes in ViVid, it'll be a brief cameo like Vivio and Einhart in Force.

And we're starting to blur the lines of which series we're talking about again. Why, oh why did the mods break everything up? That was such a stupid move...

Sheba · 2011-08-10, 11:37

So all the bitching about Signum stays in Force thread and don't spill over Vivid talk.

Rising Dragon · 2011-08-10, 11:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sheba

So all the bitching about Signum stays in Force thread and don't spill over Vivid talk.

Yes, because that's really stopped Aki from bitching in the image and FFT threads.

Sheba · 2011-08-10, 11:50

You want the other explanation? What made Vivid so special that it got its own thread for weeks while Force had to wait?

Nanya01 · 2011-08-10, 11:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sheba

You want the other explanation? What made Vivid so special that it got its own thread for weeks while Force had to wait?

Someone asked for a ViVid thread and no one asked for a Force thread until the Mods forced it.

Rising Dragon · 2011-08-10, 11:57

The fact of the matter is, the Nanoha franchise is so entwined with itself that cross-media discussions are frequent--there've been times in these two manga discussion threads that we've gone on about the other series because we forgot we were in the wrong thread.

The generalized discussion thread was fine and nobody had problems with it. And IIRC, the person who requested ViVid have its own thread was xris. A mod who was unfamiliar with the franchise and figured that the Nanoha manga thread was for the manga for the first season. Y'know, the manga that doesn't exist.

Sheba · 2011-08-10, 11:58

It may be easier for some people to keep track of what manga a thread is about.

Keroko · 2011-08-10, 12:53

Actually, the real reason is that the people who weren't interested in Force got tired of wading through the lengthy Force debates in search of any information on Vivid. So now instead of that, we're dealing with the whole "ohcrap, this is off-topic, isn't it?" problem.

Out of the frying pan, into the fire.

Arcc · 2011-08-10, 18:52

I myself have no intention of touching ViVid with a twenty-foot Zanber, so I'm rather 0kay with this.

Mirron · 2011-08-10, 19:22

And I'd prefer to keep the over the top complaints as far as Force or Vivid goes in their respective threads myself. :P I don't mind it, since I don't feel the manga are really that connected. Plus any Vivid conversation was rapidly drowned out in Force talks when they were mixed, which got old fast.

Zero Hurricane · 2011-08-10, 22:33

Well, as Aki said, Force criticized for the way the pace of story is slow, the enemy is too hax, more violent than predecessor, and the plot taken too seriously. And for ViViD, for me no problem. But that makes me feel uncomfortable is too sweet to be followed, fanservice that up to eleven, and so far lacks antagonist character.

Especially for ViViD, personally I like Einhart. It does not matter if he is a rival who tries to find her true identity, and make friends. But when viewed from a dream in which Claus must defeat Olivie, I myself was worried if the case towards the last chapter, she ...

Spoiler:

mechdra · 2011-08-10, 23:32

For me, Force is one of those major crisis stories in Nanohaverse. In the prologue itself, this is the third major case happening on Midchilda. I agree the pacing is slow but I guess the author trying to maintain the shounen aspect of the battle which takes along time. I don't mind if it is a weekly manga but as a monthly manga, I guess it will probably take another 5 to 10 years to end? I guess Tsuzuki probably wants the manga end when Nanoha reach 25 in real time.

Vivid on the other hand is an expansion of the series. It gives us a better background of the world they are in. It is a little too sweet but hey just enjoy it.

Justin_Brett · 2011-08-11, 00:44

Has Seven Arcs done any mangas before this? If not they haven't adapted terribly well.

Rising Dragon · 2011-08-11, 00:45

I don't think they have. Up until Nanoha, all they did was porn.

2011-08-10, 01:45	Link #3461
Tiresias Labda Prakarsa Nirwikara Join Date: May 2010 Location: Pekanbaru (UTC+07:00) Age: 37	Speaking of Vivid, since we already saw a cameo of Vivio and Heidi in Force do you think Touma would make an appearance in Vivid? __________________

2011-08-10, 04:22	Link #3462
Zero Hurricane I'm here for the reason.. Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Surabaya, East Java, Indonesia Age: 31	I personally don't know, because when the Vivid series runs, Thoma was still in his village before the massacre occurred. Even then Lily and Isis are still doing their own activities before the three of them met. So, if he already know Vivio, Thoma, surely he is also known Heidi, right? And that's not including her school friends. __________________ "Use of deadly force is authorized"

2011-08-10, 06:53	Link #3463
00-Raiser Burst Mode Author Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Windsor, Ontario Age: 37	No, Thoma's home town was destroyed 7 years ago, meaning 5 years before Vivid. He met Subaru long before the events of Vivid. __________________

2011-08-10, 07:05	Link #3464
Zero Hurricane I'm here for the reason.. Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Surabaya, East Java, Indonesia Age: 31	Oh, I see. By the time of ViViD, he still 13 years old, isn't it? Maybe by the time of ViViD he still venturing from one place to another place to find to find the perpetrators who committed genocide in the village where he lived, that called Vaizen? Now more and more obvious. Thanks for the information, Raiser. __________________ "Use of deadly force is authorized"

2011-08-10, 11:08	Link #3467
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	I get the feeling that any appearance Touma makes in ViVid, it'll be a brief cameo like Vivio and Einhart in Force. And we're starting to blur the lines of which series we're talking about again. Why, oh why did the mods break everything up? That was such a stupid move... __________________

2011-08-10, 07:37	Link #3465
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	He only started to travel fairly recently when Force began, he should still be around during Vivid. Remember though, he's living at an orphanage, not the Nakajima's. The reason he was traveling was to get some closure before being adopted.

2011-08-10, 08:39	Link #3466
mechdra Senior Member Join Date: May 2006	I guess we might meet Tohma probably after DSSA in Vivid. By the looks of it, Subaru and her family looks free at the time they invite Tohma to join the family. We might see the rocess along the way probably after the tournament. This means that Vivio, Einhart and all their friends will meet Tohma. There might be even a high chance for him to meet Lutecia if she still hang around after DSSA.

2011-08-10, 11:37	Link #3468
Sheba RUN, YOU FOOLS! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Formerly Iwakawa base and Chaldea. Now Teyvat, the Astral Express & the Outpost Age: 44	So all the bitching about Signum stays in Force thread and don't spill over Vivid talk.

2011-08-10, 11:50	Link #3470
Sheba RUN, YOU FOOLS! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Formerly Iwakawa base and Chaldea. Now Teyvat, the Astral Express & the Outpost Age: 44	You want the other explanation? What made Vivid so special that it got its own thread for weeks while Force had to wait?

2011-08-10, 11:57	Link #3472
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	The fact of the matter is, the Nanoha franchise is so entwined with itself that cross-media discussions are frequent--there've been times in these two manga discussion threads that we've gone on about the other series because we forgot we were in the wrong thread. The generalized discussion thread was fine and nobody had problems with it. And IIRC, the person who requested ViVid have its own thread was xris. A mod who was unfamiliar with the franchise and figured that the Nanoha manga thread was for the manga for the first season. Y'know, the manga that doesn't exist. __________________

2011-08-10, 11:58	Link #3473
Sheba RUN, YOU FOOLS! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Formerly Iwakawa base and Chaldea. Now Teyvat, the Astral Express & the Outpost Age: 44	It may be easier for some people to keep track of what manga a thread is about.

2011-08-10, 12:53	Link #3474
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	Actually, the real reason is that the people who weren't interested in Force got tired of wading through the lengthy Force debates in search of any information on Vivid. So now instead of that, we're dealing with the whole "ohcrap, this is off-topic, isn't it?" problem. Out of the frying pan, into the fire.

2011-08-10, 18:52	Link #3475
Arcc Knight who says D'ni Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: -0,-0,-0,-0: The Brink of Time Age: 36	I myself have no intention of touching ViVid with a twenty-foot Zanber, so I'm rather 0kay with this. __________________ The more that you resist the tide The more it pulls you in The more you hang on for your life~

2011-08-10, 19:22	Link #3476
Mirron Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 33	And I'd prefer to keep the over the top complaints as far as Force or Vivid goes in their respective threads myself. :P I don't mind it, since I don't feel the manga are really that connected. Plus any Vivid conversation was rapidly drowned out in Force talks when they were mixed, which got old fast.

2011-08-10, 22:33	Link #3477
Zero Hurricane I'm here for the reason.. Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Surabaya, East Java, Indonesia Age: 31	Well, as Aki said, Force criticized for the way the pace of story is slow, the enemy is too hax, more violent than predecessor, and the plot taken too seriously. And for ViViD, for me no problem. But that makes me feel uncomfortable is too sweet to be followed, fanservice that up to eleven, and so far lacks antagonist character. Especially for ViViD, personally I like Einhart. It does not matter if he is a rival who tries to find her true identity, and make friends. But when viewed from a dream in which Claus must defeat Olivie, I myself was worried if the case towards the last chapter, she ... Spoiler: which was originally a friend for Vivio and the others, turned into enemy. Valley of the End incident anyone? __________________ "Use of deadly force is authorized"

2011-08-10, 23:32	Link #3478
mechdra Senior Member Join Date: May 2006	For me, Force is one of those major crisis stories in Nanohaverse. In the prologue itself, this is the third major case happening on Midchilda. I agree the pacing is slow but I guess the author trying to maintain the shounen aspect of the battle which takes along time. I don't mind if it is a weekly manga but as a monthly manga, I guess it will probably take another 5 to 10 years to end? I guess Tsuzuki probably wants the manga end when Nanoha reach 25 in real time. Vivid on the other hand is an expansion of the series. It gives us a better background of the world they are in. It is a little too sweet but hey just enjoy it.

2011-08-11, 00:44	Link #3479
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	Has Seven Arcs done any mangas before this? If not they haven't adapted terribly well.

2011-08-11, 00:45	Link #3480
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	I don't think they have. Up until Nanoha, all they did was porn. __________________