Nanoha Cross-over Discussion Thread

[Akiyoshi]

Originally Posted by Sunder the Gold

Not just steal it, but USE it.

A magic-drinking sword might be just the thing to balance the scales against an opponent like Arf or Yuuno, who would be more of a challenge than Saito.

Hey! I like this idea. If Mathilde uses Derflinger first then Arf will be in trouble and also will notice how damn usefull the sword is and i don't think Arf would mind "looting" a defeated adversary xD!

[Sunder the Gold]

Even better.

[novalysis]

Originally Posted by Sunder the Gold

Not just steal it, but USE it.

A magic-drinking sword might be just the thing to balance the scales against an opponent like Arf or Yuuno, who would be more of a challenge than Saito.

Well, that's an interesting idea. The only question is how to make Derflinger end up in the hands of Mathilda.

I have a theory. Someone in the Academy accidentally stumbled upon a very intelligent sword shortly before the story, and decided that it was an interesting artifact. Talking weapons are rare, after all.

Then , Mathilda steals it, along with the Vanilla Staff of Destruction. That staff has only one shot, unfortunately and Mathilda completely misses a very hyper agile Arf. She resorts to using the sword. To bad that requires her to get close to Arf. And AMF does not affect Strike Arts as badly as other ranged magics, so after twenty seconds of hand to hand combat, Arf outmaneuvers Mathilda and hits her from behind, and takes the talking sword away from her, and knocks her out with the flat edge of the sword. Bonus if Arf casts struggle bind, hampering Mathilda's mobility till she becomes a sitting duck against Arf.

Especially if Arf has no access to her shooting spells initially, due to problems connecting and adapting her lightning affinity main battle spells to Louise's unusual zero affinity.

Realizing she has a portable, AMF Device which exhibits the same levels of awareness of an Intelligence Device, she convinces Louise to claim the artifact as a reward for their efforts against Mathilda. She plays on the fact that Louise intends on getting a proper weapon for Arf anyway, for appearance sake rather than gauntlets.

In my first draft I put on the fanfiction forums, I had Arf come in with an Intelligence Device of her own. Unfortunately, it's not optimized for combat, and she has alot of problems invoking it's more advanced forms, again because Louise's magic is very unusual and requires work to get use to. So initially, she has to use the Hax Derflinger AMF to win the day against Wardes, and a hypothetical Tabitha duel. She can't simply shoot them to bits while evading all spells flung at her since Louise is having problems supplying her with that kind of mana to engage in beam-spam, at first, and since she has to adapt Louise's strange affinities and magic system to her spells.

Once she get's her device working properly though, she decides to train Louise on the use of Derflinger, because of the painfully long cast time of most of Louise's spells. Nothing like a good AMF to protect the artillery.

Here's another idea. Could Derflinger and the Founder's Prayer Book be somehow related? Perhaps part of the same general weapon system that Brimir used six millenniums ago? Only problem is, you'd need a full TSAB Lab specializing in Lost Logias to restore it to anything resembling functionality....

Hmm , a mad Louise = a Beamspamming Wolf?

[Akiyoshi]

Originally Posted by novalysis

Especially if Arf has no access to her shooting spells initially, due to problems connecting and adapting her lightning affinity main battle spells to Louise's unusual zero affinity.

I find most of your reasoning amusing but i would like to point here that Arf seems to lack Fate's Lightning MCA, while she's able to use various of Fate's spells, those seem to lack that lightning/electricity effect that is present with those casted by the blonde. More notable in MOVIE 1st where Arf used a wider variety of shooting spells than in the original series.

[novalysis]

Originally Posted by Akiyoshi

I find most of your reasoning amusing but i would like to point here that Arf seems to lack Fate's Lightning MCA, while she's able to use various of Fate's spells, those seem to lack that lightning/electricity effect that is present with those casted by the blonde. More notable in MOVIE 1st where Arf used a wider variety of shooting spells than in the original series.

Amusing? In a positive or negative sense?

I guess I betrayed my ignorance of parts of the Nanoha-verse, since I postulated that Familiars share their master's MCA. Until I remember Signum and her Fire MCA. But if Arf's style does not revolve around her mistress MCA and lightning preference exclusively, I'd say if she was marooned in an alien dimension with no immediate means of getting home , she'd plausibly break out some other parts of her Arsenal that she or Fate might not usually use.

For example, the Vivid technique to break binds could be use to disrupt levitations. And I'd imagine that the Water splitting trick will make an impressive show...

How plausible is a Post-Striker S (actually, Post-Force) Arf instructing Louise on some points of swordsmanship? After all, Fate is implied to be a very good swords-women (why else does she use Zanber form?), and her familiar is implied to share her abilities....

[Akiyoshi]

Originally Posted by novalysis

Amusing? In a positive or negative sense?

Positive, i mean, i haven't tought of some of those points and i think some of those could be hard to execute smoothly but i don't deny they have some potential so i'm open to be impressed/convinced xD.

Originally Posted by novalysis

I guess I betrayed my ignorance of parts of the Nanoha-verse, since I postulated that Familiars share their master's MCA. Until I remember Signum and her Fire MCA. But if Arf's style does not revolve around her mistress MCA and lightning preference exclusively, I'd say if she was marooned in an alien dimension with no immediate means of getting home , she'd plausibly break out some other parts of her Arsenal that she or Fate might not usually use.

Master and Familiar in the Nanohaverse seems to share some things about style and ability but a familiar's magic don't necessary needs to be a copycat of the used by the master.

Originally Posted by novalysis

For example, the Vivid technique to break binds could be use to disrupt levitations. And I'd imagine that the Water splitting trick will make an impressive show...

To make some note on this, Fate showed some capability in bind breaking techniques on Season One(only thing that prevented said ability to truly pay off was Nanoha's Starlight Breaker). In A's both Signum and Nanoha displayed their own versions of bind breaking magic.

Originally Posted by novalysis

How plausible is a Post-Striker S (actually, Post-Force) Arf instructing Louise on some points of swordsmanship? After all, Fate is implied to be a very good swords-women (why else does she use Zanber form?), and her familiar is implied to share her abilities....

Even if Arf isn't a mainstream sword user she probably have some good knowledge on the matter as she usually trained with Fate and Linith who also favored the use of blade attacks. Altough, by personal opinion i think Luise is more suited to a swrodfight style closer to a fencer, probably Arf could help her with some basic knowledge usefull for any swordfighter but they'll reach a level when Louise will need the guide of an accomplished fencer in order to advance(i don't remember much fencers in ZnT, maybe Julio? Altough i can't clrearly remeber any scene of him fighting xDU.

[novalysis]

Originally Posted by Akiyoshi

Positive, i mean, i haven't tought of some of those points and i think some of those could be hard to execute smoothly but i don't deny they have some potential so i'm open to be impressed/convinced xD.

I'd try my best, but it'd likely be quite some time before I reach Mathilda. I'm not in a hurry. Anyway , I was wondering whether the sheer amount of Willpower/mana needed to summon something all the way from Mid-Childa to Halkagenia means that Louise is in a rather precarious state... linker core wise....

Just a slight over-exertion.... by the way , what are the other effects of Impeding Linker Core exhaustion? (Besides Nanoha's breakdown)

Master and Familiar in the Nanohaverse seems to share some things about style and ability but a familiar's magic don't necessary needs to be a copycat of the used by the master.

Well, witness the Twin Lissette familiars. Are they even alive by Striker S?

To make some note on this, Fate showed some capability in bind breaking techniques on Season One(only thing that prevented said ability to truly pay off was Nanoha's Starlight Breaker). In A's both Signum and Nanoha displayed their own versions of bind breaking magic.

Bind Breaking shouldn't be too much of a problem then. Even if I restricted Arf to Strike Arts only from the get go, Vivid shows techniques of breaking binds with only the Strike Arts.

Even if Arf isn't a mainstream sword user she probably have some good knowledge on the matter as she usually trained with Fate and Linith who also favored the use of blade attacks. Altough, by personal opinion i think Luise is more suited to a swrodfight style closer to a fencer, probably Arf could help her with some basic knowledge usefull for any swordfighter but they'll reach a level when Louise will need the guide of an accomplished fencer in order to advance(i don't remember much fencers in ZnT, maybe Julio? Altough i can't clrearly remeber any scene of him fighting xDU.

Fate uses a Zweihander - a huge broad two handed sword. I wonder what blades Arf will prefer, though theoretically, the runes would be a huge help. Indeed, if she can reverse engineer, using her knowledge of swordsmanship what information is being transmitted from the runes, I'd say she would be a reasonable instructor of Louise. Of course, going beyond , and being more of a fencer probably takes the right instructors.

Oh, and the ZnT anime is , IMO , not as good a source as the Light Novels itself. There's alot axed from the Light novels.

By the way , how much more broken would the Runes make the wielding of even a support class Intelligence Device?

[Nanya01]

Graham's still alive in StrikerS, so that answers your question about the twins.

[Dark Wing]

I know this may be a bit early to ask be dose anyone think it's possible to create a crossover with Nanoha universe and this new series Mouretsu Pirates?

[NorthernFallout]

^Considering every other crossover out there, I'd say it's likely. Ofc it's too early since we have too little information about the world yet, but I can see it happening. Opening a wormhole, a dimensional ship takes a wrong turn, or what have you.

[Sunder the Gold]

You know, I think I really could make Touhou and Lyrical Nanoha fit together in the same universe, at least as far as explaining the existence of youkai.

It's the gods and ghosts that gum things up.

Which is a shame, because one could write a really interesting story in which the Jewel Seeds fell into Gensokyo, touching off a dangerous disturbance in the current balance of power.

You thought the Jewel Seeds were bad with normal kittens and trees? Imagine what happens when Stage 6 bosses have those things fall in their laps.

Poor Yuuno. Not only does he need to recollect the Jewel Seeds, he needs to avoid getting zapped by that vexingly invincible miko and keep that maniacal witch from stealing Raising Heart.

And he's still only nine years old, so even the HUMANS are treating him like a child.

[Akiyoshi]

^ I remember someone telling me that the power level in the Touhouverse is far greater than in the Nanohaverse. do you plan on nerfing the Touhou girls or buffing the Nanoha cast?

[Sunder the Gold]

The Lunarians are basically Al Hazared Lite.

Eirin is like Presea, if Presea had manage to live and study magic for over 4000 years. The Brain of the Moon thus performs spells that make Presea's interdimensional ship-destroyer look like nothing.

Why would I nerf her, or the youkai race that she allegedly created?

[Akiyoshi]

Then empower the Nanoha cast or they will have few-to-nothing to do in the Touhou setting xDU.

[Sunder the Gold]

The Touhou cast is lazy. It doesn't matter how powerful they are if they don't DO anything.

[Akiyoshi]

Originally Posted by Sunder the Gold

The Touhou cast is lazy. It doesn't matter how powerful they are if they don't DO anything.

How about the villains? if they're a challenge to the touhou cast then the Nanoha cast will need a lot of help or they will get hopelessly curbstompped xDU

[WarpObscura]

Xeelee Sequence, because when they say Starbreaker, they mean it.

[Sunder the Gold]

Originally Posted by Akiyoshi

How about the villains?

Villains? We're talking about Touhou. There are no villains.

Well, the new bunch are quite possibly the exception. Religious wars, conspiracies of oppression, murder, arson, desecration of the dead...

If you're talking about Fate and Arf trying to steal the Jewel Seeds, well, I hope they pick on someone who's nice.

Pretty much, that means avoiding the Jewel Seed that landed in that field of sunflowers.

[itanshi1]

Sides, it'd be like 'Gods must be crazy' might end up being destroyed before it gets used

[Sheba]

Nine year old Ferret Boy means that you are limited to the cast from pre-windows games up to Perfect Cherry Blossom. And possibly Immaterial and Missing Power. Yeah, no genre savvy Sanae. Also, Yuuno won't even register in Yuuka's radar.