2006-09-20, 00:08
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: New York, USA
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I guess since you only watch the R2s, you can be forgiven for forgetting about licenses. 
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2006-09-20, 01:25
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Hamburg
Age: 54
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Yes, they may still look as good or even better than XviD encodes from 1-2 years ago, but why the hell should I limit my personal enjoyment watching a cleaner video by sacrificing the achievable better quality for some irrelevant megabytes? Frankly, most people couldn't care less if they have to wait 20 minutes for a download or 30. I certainly don't. Quote:
1) "I want want always worked, and I want it fast. As long as I can watch it, it's enough" - those are the avi viewers. They want this format because they know they'll have no problem with it, they only have a small comp, or they watch their anime on standalones on a TV screen. These are the folks getting the 170 meg avi. Right now, out of 10 fansub watchers, around 6-7 fall into this category. 2) "I want the show right now, in the best quality I can get". They aren't afraid of new tech, and they want to have the best picture and the best audio available for it. In general, these people don't care too much about filesizes and are the target audience for 170-233 meg mkv/mp4 releases. Out of 10 fansub watchers, 2-3 fall into this category. 3) "I want the best version possible, even if it means to wait a little". These are the folks which go for the h264 HD or DVD versions, and they don't care about filesize at all. 340 megs for a h264 mkv encode? No problem. After all, they will generally have downloaded version 2) aswell. Those extremists are around 1 out of 10. The group which you seem to demand to cater to are "I want the newest tech resulting in the smallest encode at a reasonable quality". Frankly, the only group I've encountered which had this mix of preferences are technophile encoders. 1 out of 100 at best. Simply not worth dealing with, because the fewest fans really care about filesize. I never see "which version is the smallest" in the channels, but alot of questions "which version is better". In any case, feel free to do your encodes in whichever format you prefer. But for now, chill and collect some experience before you diss around. It's the anime which matters, not the technology. |
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2006-09-20, 05:36
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Part 8
IT Support
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Western Australia
Age: 35
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 Since I live in Australia and we're R4, all the local releases are re-encoded trash, hence the field-blending. I don't buy DVDs anymore as imports are too expensive, so I just watch fansubs only. Anyway, I didn't forget the licenced status, I forgot the rules >_> |
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2006-09-21, 00:00
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Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: London
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More questions,
If MKV is so superior to AVI at current, no playing back issues thanks to CCCP, why are fansub groups releasing XviDs parallel to x264s? Count the number of people downloading AVIs/MKVs, already answered in the 2nd previous post. The result is speed 175 AVIs remain undefeated, quality +50 MKVs fail to catch on. Speed (175 avi, fast produced, fast download, fast seeking) wins over quality (+50mb, slow transfer, slow seeking). How are we moving forward with our legs being tied to a dying horse (AVI)? Can we really move forward without dumping AVI? What lies in the future of fansubbing? There is no future. AnimeSuki might become just a forum one day. Shouldn't we be seriously thinking about to stop fansubbing? Animes have become over popular everywhere which ended fansubs' initial objective. Can we find a new objective? Is there really a future for fansubs? I'm also seriously asking what "troll" means. In the paperback dictionary i use, troll /pronounciation/ noun, verb # noun (in Scandinavian stories) a creature that looks like an ugly person. Some trolls are very large and evil, others are small and friendly but like to trick people. # verb ~ (for sth) (especially AmE) to catch fish by pulling a line with BAIT on it through the water behind a boat: (figurative) to troll for votes What TheFluffy said doesn't quite fit in either which left me troubled. Is this a word like "cool" that has a new meaning in the modern world? |
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2006-09-21, 00:08
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Join Date: Mar 2006
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But as to the future of fansubbing, there'll always be subs right up until series air simultaneously in North America/Europe and Japan. And even then some purists will want the original Japanese format. And speaking for myself, my "objective" with fansubs is to have fun. That's it. |
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2006-09-21, 00:53
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Translator, Producer
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Tokyo, Japan
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So let me propose a new purpose for fansubbing: We fansub to demonstrate to the licensing companies as well as the japanese companies the power we, as the most dedicated fans wield. WE satiate the most carnal urges of the fanbase, WE cater nearly exclusively to the hard-core audience, and WE CONTROL THE HOT PROPERTIES. Would suzumiya haruhi be stuck in a bidding war if it hadn't been fansubbed at all? NO. Sure, there's plenty of good anime that fansubbing doesn't affect the sales of much. But the biggest hits, the true "money-makers", they are built on a fan-base of fansub watchers, and the companies realize this. Fansubs will, as a matter of basic economic law, force distribution to be cheaper and more convinient. As companies realize they are competing with fansubs for some portion of their audience, they'll increase release schedules, and look more and more towards online distribution. I think that fansub distro has had a real impact on the development of internet streaming services in the US for cartoon network (adult swim's the fix and toonami's jetstream). Fansubs provide an example for "what THEY want", and by making them and distributing them, we set the standards for the anime distribution industry. Fansubs are the power of the people, fansubs do more to influence the LEGAL anime we get than any letter writing campaign or boycott or legal action. And Al Kahn is the devil. (Maybe Hugo Chavez's speach rubbed off on me too much...)
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2006-09-21, 03:09
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: ISDB-T
Age: 37
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See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
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2006-09-21, 04:34
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Join Date: May 2006
Location: Spain
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2006-09-21, 11:51
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King of Hosers
Join Date: Dec 2005
Age: 41
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@Quarkboy, though your goal and new glory to the fansubbers is an awesome view of the future. I myself am much more pessimistic and I don't see that happening, particularly from this you said...
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I've always mildly wondered why all of the ethical fansubbers don't ask their shows beloved creators for the privilege to translate and subtitle the show. Well no I know that reason, they are just full of shit. "The creator wants us to fansub it, we just know. Psychic power and ethics ftw!" I am not under the delusion that that all (or even most) japanese companies want their shows to be translated and distributed by fans for free. It has always been treated as though they do not own the material, they do you do not. Some companies are much more possessive about their assets then others, and will not want unprofessional fans bumbling about with their content. Maybe I am just jaded by stupid american companies which view anything not controlled by them as a profit loss (MPAA/RIAA/etc). Even so as the situation stands, everyone treats it as perfectly normal to just take a show, ignore the fact that someone owns it somewhere, and do whatever they please with it (fansub/dub/parody). So long as it isn't licensed in their region it somehow doesn't matter. There likely are some companies that do want their show to be spread through the fanbase in order to gain more popularity in other regions for licensing. Hell the fansubbers could even get "zomg leet" insider info on how to correctly translate names/places/things. Think of that, fansubbers asking the creators if they can translate a show and also getting protips?! Lawls. Back to getting on track though. The copyright holders (in both the U.S. as well as Japan) may not have enough money, power, or influence to pull everyone out of the internet and into a courtroom yet. One day they will though. And ignoring that, in my opinion, unquestionable part of the future you are just landing yourself in lots of trouble. My suggestion, start forming a line of communication now. Though it is about 5 years late, better late then never. By showing everyone the mature and polite side of the fansub community you only bring good things. Because when the time of reckoning does come currently you have no one officially speaking on your side but yourself. Fan pleas won't stand that long. There have been about 5-6 years (I only include the digital fansubbing years because as has been stated multiple times, the original aim of fansubbing is long gone) of complete disregard for the copyright owner's interest and not once as far as I know was it considered that permission should be asked. This of course is just my dark bleak view of the future. I don't see it as continuing to be "happy funland we can fansub forever and the world will ignore our blatant copyright violations." Or maybe everyone just believes in this dream world where all companies make a silent nod to fansubbing, but we dare not ask them to find out. |
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2006-09-21, 13:58
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翻訳家わなびぃ
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Age: 50
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Because I know there will be people who are resistive of the change, I decided to be somewhat crude way on this. It was my intention to force people to accept the change. I was fully aware that I could be leaving some people out in the cold. But after I figured the absolute minimum system requirement of our encodes after some experimentations, I also knew that vast majority of people will be capable to view our encodes. Some people did have problems at first. But it's been 9 months since we made that switch. By now, we hardly ever hear many people having problems anymore. And there are shows that only we sub too. All I have to say... people are capable of accepting the changes. There may be people who whine about the change, but we can't keep serving those minorities forever. Even Microsoft takes bold steps such as dropping the official support of older Windows products, even when they're aware that there are some people who still use those old versions of Windows. |
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2006-09-21, 14:55
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My one and only
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Bay Area
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I for one love h.264
We need quality over speed! If there's an HD version of an anime out, I'd MUCH rather wait the extra day or two, then watching the quick lower res xvid version. Just because people have slower computers, doesn't mean we (the people with faster computers) have to suffer because they lag behind. I'm so glad that groups have been releasing higher res version of the anime, and it's even better because my video card helps accelerate h.264  BTW, gj Froth-Bite on wanting quality over speed
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2006-09-21, 16:01
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Join Date: Jan 2006
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2006-09-21, 19:10
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Join Date: Apr 2006
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Vista still works fine where your h264 releases are already unwatchable. Of course it's still your right to ignore minorities 
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2006-09-21, 21:40
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Excessively jovial fellow
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: ISDB-T
Age: 37
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Seriously, people. What the fuck is with all the whining, trolling and moronic rethorical tricks? It's not like h264 is coming to invade your comfortable computer chairs in force - at least not yet (unfortunately, I might add). I suggest that if you want encodes done your way, start encoding them. Oh, wait, you can't, since you're not encoders. Too bad for you that if you have to accept the work of someone else, you also have to accept their way of doing it. (BTW: if you didn't understand it yet... yes, this post is a very deliberate insult. I spent quite a bit of work on it, so I hope you like it.)
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2006-09-21, 22:06
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King of Hosers
Join Date: Dec 2005
Age: 41
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I am sorry you are one of the most pathetically stupid minorities which have to use the latest not ready for primetime technology. Anything you can get your grubby little hands on eh? Here is suggestion in the form of a list to help you playing H.264 content. 1. reformat 2. do not install vista 3. ??? 4. profit It really is that simple folks. If you somehow think H.264 is explicitly allergic to Windows Vista, perhaps you should recall the RC words you see in front of you. Not that I believe a lick of what you said about it not working on Vista, but finding another reason to call someone a newb is always fun. If you are in fact interested at all in Vista development, and somehow actually believe anything you have said, perhaps you should alert them to your startling discovery. I am sure they would be pleased to fix it if such a problem existed, which to my knowledge it does not. Here is a lovely pic to complement TheFluff's post. 
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2006-09-22, 00:32
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翻訳家わなびぃ
Fansubber
Join Date: Nov 2003
Age: 50
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Whoa Nicholi... Did you mix up the point of comparison of running Vista vs h.264 on other windows into h.264 on Vista? Anyway. 800Mhz minimum for Vista, huh? That's cool. That means if you can run Vista, you can watch h.264 stuff that we've been releasing up to this point. (No guarantee, since I don't know when we'll feel like releasing 720p encodes in the future...) Earlier this year, my staff member has made couple posts stating that he had no problem watching our released materials on his 733Mhz PIII machine. Only with that information in our hand, we've decided to make a hard switch.
Sure, we may have left those people who use 450Mhz machine in the cold. But like many people has echoed each other: we're not going to keep supporting 8 year old cutting edge technologies forever. It so happens that we chose to shrink our file size when we made the switch. It helps out those who have slower broadband connections. I know that there are many regions where they can't get any faster than 256kbps sdsl or even adsl. Or people who are STILL stuck on dial ups. We may have ditched those people who's refusing to upgrade their PCs. But we've invited those people who's stuck in those situations. Sure, we can't make everyone happy. But I don't think we've lost that many deal of fans from the switch over either, if at all. If we lost 'em, that'd be because of our speed of our release, which is totally unrelated to speed of x264. Yes, we excersize our right to ignore the minority. But the size of minority is much smaller than you may believe. |
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2006-09-22, 02:06
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Rararu~
Join Date: Dec 2005
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For those who still think a 1GHz or even a 2GHz CPU being "incredibly high end technology" and a dual core CPU being "OMG, future technology!!!111ONE!!", look at the following:
AMD: http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/V...04_609,00.html AMD 64 processors below 3200+ and Sempron processors below 2800+ are no longer being sold commercially by AMD Intel: http://www.intel.com/intel/finance/p...price_list.pdf Pentium 4 processors below 2.8GHz and Celeron below 2.23GHZ are no longer being sold commercially by Intel. Take note that Intel’s pricelist is 2 months old, more products might have already been taken out. Do take note that some processors in both list have already went End of Life (EOL); Intel and AMD are no longer producing the CPUs and once stocks are emptied, they will be removed from the pricelist. 1GHz CPUs have been avaliable for more then 6 years, we should NOT be limited by "lack of CPU power". |
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