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mitsuganae · 2010-09-07, 18:43

Personally, I rather like observing how Nagi and Hayate adjust to their new life. It's a refreshing change from the (overcooked, IMHO) drama of the Athena arc. I admit the comedy is a little low key -- maybe Hata needs to regain his comic footing. On the other hand, maybe the low key comedy is deliberate and the story is building up to another drama (what with Nagi screaming Luca's name and all).

I'm usually indifferent to Hina, but her constant (w)angst over Hayate is IMHO starting to become monotonously annoying and annoyingly monotonous. On the other hand, it certainly makes her sudden departure in chapter 284 all the more sweet! It's a great "Take that!" moment.

madmac · 2010-09-07, 19:00

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Personally, I rather like observing how Nagi and Hayate adjust to their new life. It's a refreshing change from the (overcooked, IMHO) drama of the Athena arc. I admit the comedy is a little low key -- maybe Hata needs to regain his comic footing. On the other hand, maybe the low key comedy is deliberate and the story is building up to another drama (what with Nagi screaming Luca's name and all).

I'm usually indifferent to Hina, but her constant (w)angst over Hayate is IMHO starting to become monotonously annoying and annoyingly monotonous. On the other hand, it certainly makes her sudden departure in chapter 284 all the more sweet! It's a great "Take that!" moment.

I'm pretty much with you on this. (Although I did like the Athena drama while it lasted, I just don't want it back anytime soon.)

At the same time, things are starting to pick up again.

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Right?

anyone?

Oh dear, there's no one here...

Well, I read, but I do most of my posting somewhere else. I think it's more of a self-reinforcing pattern--This forum isn't very active, so people visit less, making it even less active.

I imagine it'll still pick up when there's more to discuss, though.

Trans-Fat · 2010-09-07, 19:30

As much as I love Hina, I wouldn't mind if she got a new arc where she is forced to leave Hayate.

Spoiler for for what I can see happen if Hina got a new arc:

Hina would find her new parents. Still harboring the love she has for her parents, she will have to make a life-changing choice: to move back with her parents and will have to say goodbye forever to Hayate and co still not revealing her secret to Hayate, or stay with current company and saying goodbye forever to parents.

Hina goes back with her parents without revealing her love to Hayate. Hina leaves behind note for her final farewell, still without telling Hayate her feelings, and telling company to not search for her. Hayate and company still searched for her. They found her before she leaves, and gives everyone her final goodbye in person, and tells Ayumi that she cannot keep her promise and lost the bet (from the ferris wheel scene). Hina leaves and moved back with her parents.

Somewhere along the line while living with her parents, secrets revolving the parents gets revealed as to why she was abandoned. Her parents reveal that they left her because of a dark secret, and for Hina's safety, had to leave her. Hina burst into tears, asked why couldn't they take her even thru the dangers, and asked if they knew how she felt growing up without her parents.

Many chapters passed when Hina left Hayate and company. Hina discovered that her parent's story was not complete, and discover the truth to why she and her older sister was abandoned. She runs away from her parents.

Hayate receives a call from Katsura sensei, and ask if he could come by to her (foster parent's) place. There, Hayate finds a Nayuki'd (Nayuki Minase from Kanon) Hina; she haven't eaten, slepts, bathe for a few days. Hina won't talk. Hayate says something to Hina that got her to snap into reality, and started telling her story. This is where Hina reveals the true story about what she discovered, and why she (and her older sister) was abandoned. Yukiji reveals that she knew all about this, and about why they were both abandoned; that's why she never returned to her parents aside from her being 28 yrs old. Hina goes into about why she was never informed. Yukiji explains that she never told Hina because she loved Hina, and that it would only hurt Hina more, just like now, if Hina were to find out about it. Hina tells Hayate her fear about people she holds dear all leaving her, just like what her parents did, and ask Hayate and Yukiji if they can PROMISE not to be the ones she hold dear to leave her. Thus, Hina returns back into the storyline.

For humor purposes, I would say that Hina's biological parents could have ties to Hayate's parents or Mikado. Or Hina revealing to Hayate her true feelings.

Bastion_Arcion · 2010-09-07, 20:20

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i know there's almost as many people who hate Athena than those who love her,but you must aknoelde thing were more lively when she was here;this forum is pretty much dead nowaday.
good lucas to restore fan interest.

I don't hate Athena for the character, I do dislike Athena for the fandom though. Athena, I believe, didn't especially bring life to the forum at all herself though. I believe it could have been centered around Nagi and the activity would have been just as effective.
It was the drama of the manga and the length of the storyline that brought it. The character seemed to be a factor only when she decided to drop out of the story that fans seemed to think it would never return to that level and vanished.

As for the Hina-tan plotline, I find it rather implausible that anything would have had that drastic an effect on her short of being outright rejected by Hayate (and the other girls would probably stand on her side of the line if it ever came to that).

zodanhko · 2010-09-08, 00:09

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Athena, I believe, didn't especially bring life to the forum at all herself though. I believe it could have been centered around Nagi and the activity would have been just as effective.
It was the drama of the manga and the length of the storyline that brought it. The character seemed to be a factor only when she decided to drop out of the story that fans seemed to think it would never return to that level and vanished.

Individually, I don't think any single character could have anything at all to contribute for a discussion by he/herself. And, I agreed, it could have been centered around anyone and still have the potential to be as effective if the "story/drama/event" concerning them is interesting/exciting/great, etc. However, for about 2XX chapters about the other characters, there wasn't such or much of an excitement that the manga delivered for us to have as much discussion as during Athena's arc.
Broadly, you could say that it was because of the storyline that the "manga" had or the drama that the author created; but, more specifically, it was because of the "character" that the events followed that established the "storyline/drama" that give us the opportunity for the discussions. Like you said, it could have centered around Hayate and Nagi or anyone else, but I think their "story" (or anyone else's) wasn't just that intrigue enough yet compare to Athena's, and they have been together since the manga started for a much longer period of time.

If it was the "drama of the manga" (not that I agree) that have been lagging which indicates that Hata is incompetence to make another great drama before and after Athena's arc, I guess he couldn't make a great plot out of any other character (yet?) besides Athena. So, it was still Athena that made the thread rolling. ^.^

Rah · 2010-09-08, 04:46

Yo, zod. Haven't seen ya in ages. How ya doin'? =)

@Trans

Well, that's.... interesting?

I doubt that HnG could ever go in that direction. To be so Hina centered, or whatnot, and 'sides that, Hina doesn't seem as such a weak character for that even to happen.

Why would she leave everyone for her parents without them first explaining anything? Hina is one of the lifelines of HnG. Certainly a Hina centered arc could bring more popularity to it, but Hata did say that he hates overly dramatic things, though he did do that whole Athena thing.

Eh, it's all just so random...

There are far better choices she could have chosen instead of just leaping with her parents. And if Yukiji knew about the truth of why they were abandoned, she could have easily told her instead of letting her leave with such horrible parents, or whatnot. I'm assuming that the truth is bad here, and that her parents are lower than dog shit, but Hina doesn't remember them as such, and nor does Yukiji. Though I'll admit, Yukiji could be lying about it, and Hina's memories could be a tad jumbled up, but that would be... far fetched...

Well, whatever. We could debate more on this when the time comes.

By the way, the raws of 287 are out on LLHayate's blog. Just Google that to find them.

jsgdarkmage · 2010-09-08, 13:34

Well....It looks like the comedy is back in HnG....
Personally, I loved the drama arcs of this series (specially Athena's), but the truth is that HnG is a comedy series in its nucleus...
I dont know why, but I think mikado will make appearence in this arc xD

Trans-Fat · 2010-09-09, 04:42

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Originally Posted by Rah

Yo, zod. Haven't seen ya in ages. How ya doin'? =)

@Trans

Well, that's.... interesting?

I doubt that HnG could ever go in that direction. To be so Hina centered, or whatnot, and 'sides that, Hina doesn't seem as such a weak character for that even to happen.

Why would she leave everyone for her parents without them first explaining anything? Hina is one of the lifelines of HnG. Certainly a Hina centered arc could bring more popularity to it, but Hata did say that he hates overly dramatic things, though he did do that whole Athena thing.

Eh, it's all just so random...

There are far better choices she could have chosen instead of just leaping with her parents. And if Yukiji knew about the truth of why they were abandoned, she could have easily told her instead of letting her leave with such horrible parents, or whatnot. I'm assuming that the truth is bad here, and that her parents are lower than dog shit, but Hina doesn't remember them as such, and nor does Yukiji. Though I'll admit, Yukiji could be lying about it, and Hina's memories could be a tad jumbled up, but that would be... far fetched...

Well, whatever. We could debate more on this when the time comes.

By the way, the raws of 287 are out on LLHayate's blog. Just Google that to find them.

Meh, I didn't know that Hata didn't like overly dramatic stuff aside from the Athena's arc. I thought that Hina's birthday arc was also a bit dramatic, but that's just me.

I know that Hina isn't such a weak character, but from what we've seen from Hina's birthday arc, it is not to say that she isn't breakable. She is also weak when it comes to height, so maybe she might have a soft spot for her parents also.

Spoiler for also:

Perhaps Hina's parents might have sugar-coated and sweet-talked Hina to return. Hina did loved her parents. Perhaps in order to convinced Hina to return, the parents made an offer that Hina couldn't refuse which would include forcing Hina to leave her friends and city behind (sort of like Inoue when she got kidnapped in Bleach, and no she wouldn't get kidnapped like Inoue). I am still thinking this part out

Of course this wouldn't happen right now, but more of somewhere in the future, like 2 years from now, when everyone has had their own arc, and the is already a prior set-up, plot triggers, or hints to leading to this story.

Older people tend to not tell a child the truth in trying to not have them feel more hurt than they already are unless they get older and are asked. Yukiji could be that type of person and was never asked. Kinda like in Last Exile with Claus and Alex, or dig up history like in Clannad but with a dark history. Yukiji would be like protecting Hina from the horrible truth. I am also thinking of having Yukiji unaware of her parents paying a visit, and Hina leaving.

Spoiler for Ideas:

Ehh. This makes me wanna write up like a 5-10+ chapter fanfiction with this. i could already see what each chapters would be about, and how i want each chapter to end:
ch 1: Everyday thing. Hina meets two individuals/strangers and have coffee or lunch together. Ends with Hina's parents being revealed (like in Star Wars; Hina...We are your parents).
ch 2: Conversations and questions ensue. Ends with Hina receiving the option to stay or leave without revealing the stipulation (which somehow will make Hina to leave, that i am still debating on)
ch 3: Hina's friends find a note.Everyone but Yukiji receives word (without revealing anything to the reader) and searches frantically. Ends with friends meet Hina right before she leaves, and Hina reveals that yes she is leaving (with her parents).
ch 4: Hina's flashbacks and regrets and stipulations revealed
ch 5: Hayate and friends scenes, chats, talking about Hina
ch 6: Hina's first day back with family, and her adjusting to her new life and parents.
ch 7: Hina still adjusting. Ends with Hina finding something (a book or diary maybe) which contains the real truth (but nothing revealing to the reader).
ch 8: Confrontation of parent and Hina (truth still won't be revealed to readers yet until a later chapter, but enough to piss the crap out of Hina). Ends in Hina running away
ch 9: Back to Hayate and company. Ends with Hayate receiving a phone call from Yukiji asking Hayate to come to her step-parent's house.
ch10: Short conversation of Hayate with Yukiji (Hayate only asking what's wrong and Yukiji only telling him to come over and nothing more, not even mentioning Hina). Hayate arrives, and gets a brief with Yukiji and the Katsuras. Ends in Hayate seeing a Nayuki'd Hina.
The rest: To Be Continued as I already typed too much. I plan to throw in some Kanon references (that red gem, or Mrs. Katsura asking if anyone wanna try out her special jam, etc just out of nowhere) just for some laughs. And Hina does not get any extra advances on Hayate here.

edit: I still don't see Hata ending the manga without introducing Hina's parents in more depth, neither without a follow-up or touch-up of Hayate's parents.

edit 2: If I remember correctly, and if I am not wrong here, I remember Hata saying something about how he had the idea of his manga to be originally centered around Hina. Don't know if that was true, and don't remember where I got the info/idea from also.

madmac · 2010-09-09, 06:43

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If I remember correctly, and if I am not wrong here, I remember Hata saying something about how he had the idea of his manga to be originally centered around Hina. Don't know if that was true, and don't remember where I got the info/idea from also.

You've got it backwards. Yukiji was the main character in a one-shot manga he created once, and he ended up putting both of them into this manga without changing their backstory because he does that kind of thing a lot. Yukiji and Hina have such a detailed backstory because he wrote it all up as part of a different manga and didn't want to let it go to waste.

Still, from what he said in Yukiji's profile, it seemed the emphasis was on Yukiji's efforts to pay off the debts and their eventual adoption, so I don't really think there will be a story about Hina's parents coming back. Hina's story is more about letting go of what happened in the past and being happy with what she has, anyway.

Bastion_Arcion · 2010-09-09, 11:30

If anything happens in the future with Hina-tan and Yukiji's parents, I think it would involve their adopted parents as well, since (at least) Mr. Katsura knows them through having been Yukiji's teacher, and Mrs. Katsura would probably know them as well.

I also don't see Hina-tan ever willing to leave everyone behind. Miki and the rest of the trio helped her to grow into the strong individual we know her as, Hayate let her know that it's alright to love someone, and if nothing else, there's the school connection. I don't believe it's a simple solution for the student body president to suddenly vanish without causing an uproar, and she's also very popular, and she knows it.
She wouldn't be able to leave that all behind, even if she were forced into it somehow.

fukarming · 2010-09-09, 17:59

Spoiler for ch 287:

madmac · 2010-09-09, 20:24

It's been out a while, I don't think you really need spoilers...

Nagi's "...Get...OUT." moment was my favorite part of the chapter.

Lots to speculate on with Yozoro there. Whatever she wants, Hayate evidently wasn't the target. She was prepared enough to bring the Gundam model but she seemed taken aback by how pissed off Nagi was. Whoever hired her doesn't know much about Nagi's crush, I don't think.

Also, she seemed to think Hayate was the biggest problem, so she's probably relentlessly hitting on him as a way of keeping him off guard or just distracting everyone from her real motive. There's at least 50/50 odds she'll end up falling for him anyway, though.

Used Can · 2010-09-10, 02:24

Is it me, or was Chiharu watching Occult Academy?

Rah · 2010-09-10, 03:58

No idea, UC. I skimmed through it real fast.

@Trans

I don't think she'd leave with her parents regardless of the situation. She isn't someone who'd just leave everything and everyone behind for her personal gain. She was with her real parents until the age of.... 4-6? Now she's 16, and she's been with her adopted parents for much longer. They've perfectly adapted to each other by now, and like bastion said, they'd also have a say in this. After all, Hina & Yukiji are now legitimate children of the Katsura household.

'Sides that, she wouldn't leave all of her duties and friends behind. I just don't see that, no matter how much you sugar coat it.

Anyways, that's that. I've got nothing else to add on the matter. Hata will probably do an arc involving Hina's real parents, and it might be surprisingly good and unexpected. Like, it's in the middle of some minor arc, and suddenly they appear and completely mess everything up.

We'll see... for now, it's all about Luca, Yozora, their new home, and a foreshadowed loss in a manga contest.

In the priest's situation, I'd go and stalk her around. She did mention many spiritual - like things, though if a ghost can go through other people's homes & walls, it shouldn't really be that troublesome to follow her, as long as he keeps his distance. Though, she might be able to set up some kind of barrier trap, or whatnot...

Hmm...

I wonder who's she working for.

It's either Mikado, Aika, Luca (might be friends), or some other Sanzen'in family member. Perhaps their motives are completely off. Maybe they're just interested in the house itself. Like some kind of thieves after buried treasure, or whatnot. It's way too early to say...

JMvS · 2010-09-10, 15:03

I'd say enough hints were given at the beginning of the arc for an urban redevelopment scheme.

The introducing color pages with the high rise.

Hayate commenting that the area is well located, and expressing surprise at all those old wooden houses.

Yukariko's and the cat's promise.

Used Can · 2010-09-15, 09:40

As for the latest chapter, nothing about Yozora. It was a Nagi-centric chapter. Nothing really happened, and I didn't find it particularly funny, but that's just me.

Tom Bombadil · 2010-09-15, 10:40

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Originally Posted by Used Can

Is it me, or was Chiharu watching Occult Academy?

Yep, she was watching Occult Academy. The first two episodes of it was quite good, actually. I don't know what happened afterward.

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Originally Posted by Used Can

As for the latest chapter, nothing about Yozora. It was a Nagi-centric chapter. Nothing really happened, and I didn't find it particularly funny, but that's just me.

I am with you, buddy. It feels like a giant advertisement of Jump Square and nothing else.

zibi88 · 2010-09-16, 01:22

seriously lately the chapters are not that fun especially when its all about Nagi centric >___< last time with Hina and the coffe shop was fun to see..... even last chapter with the new girl was good to watch too...

but now again full nagi chapter <yawn...> nothing really happens... for me kinda nagi spreads the boredom.... when other girls are in it its more fun to watch

well currently the situation with Nagi is soooo clear that we can tell what will happen next..... as for next chapter I see that no one likes and understands that nagi's manga... nagi runs away with tears and gets depressed about her whole plan.... later she decides to draw doujin-style....here Luca appears as a rival to her... so nagis story will get the parts of her improveing her drawing skills to beat luca

so nagi's situation is kinda clear already so its not that interesting or funny...its kinda predictible on her case...... other thing is about other girls Hina, Athena, Nashizawa, Maria or even the new girl from past chapter.... we cant say what will happen with them and where it heads to...

kinda Nagi's whole chapter centric is (at least for me) boring.... I prefer other girls on the screen as they give more fun (like frustrated Hina... or clingy new girl...)

madmac · 2010-09-16, 07:43

Eh, I like Nagi-centric chapters. And Hina has gotten especially tedious for me because nothing ever happens. Nagi at least gets a bit of character growth here and there and the stuff she does actually matters to the plot. Well, I 'll amend that a bit. I'm fine with serious Hina. "Zany love interest" Hina is really, really, tired.

Still, this was a bit of a story-grinding chapter rather then a zany one. I'm glad Ayumu came along too, I was worried she was going to get left out of this arc completely after her birthday.

Mentar · 2010-09-16, 08:32

I've got to say that I'm more on the "Nagi-centric chapters are boring" side, but with the Hina chapters, I fully agree with madmac. And that even though I am a rabid Hina shipper.

It's annoying me how Hata has been reducing her to a comedic sidekick lately. It's not really characteristic for her either - in the past, she has struggled with obstacles, but she overcame them, eventually. Like grappling with her own feelings until realizing the truth. Like fighting to apologize to Ayumu, until succeeding and becoming closer friends. Like her stepping back from confessing to save him and Athena.

Now, her inability to deal with her feelings is making her feel stagnant. Storywise, I understand why Hata can't let her act on her interest, but just leaving Hina to rot before the door she must not open is annoying. I'd rather have her drop it and become the usual take-charge savior of justice WITHOUT an interest in Hayate than more of the "at night in a cafe" chapters which only play on the misunderstandings.

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Rah Are you a lolicon? :3 Join Date: Aug 2009	Yo, zod. Haven't seen ya in ages. How ya doin'? =) @Trans Well, that's.... interesting? I doubt that HnG could ever go in that direction. To be so Hina centered, or whatnot, and 'sides that, Hina doesn't seem as such a weak character for that even to happen. Why would she leave everyone for her parents without them first explaining anything? Hina is one of the lifelines of HnG. Certainly a Hina centered arc could bring more popularity to it, but Hata did say that he hates overly dramatic things, though he did do that whole Athena thing. Eh, it's all just so random... There are far better choices she could have chosen instead of just leaping with her parents. And if Yukiji knew about the truth of why they were abandoned, she could have easily told her instead of letting her leave with such horrible parents, or whatnot. I'm assuming that the truth is bad here, and that her parents are lower than dog shit, but Hina doesn't remember them as such, and nor does Yukiji. Though I'll admit, Yukiji could be lying about it, and Hina's memories could be a tad jumbled up, but that would be... far fetched... Well, whatever. We could debate more on this when the time comes. By the way, the raws of 287 are out on LLHayate's blog. Just Google that to find them. __________________ And then.. sharks eat them! Hahahahah!!

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Bastion_Arcion boot to the head Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: existence	If anything happens in the future with Hina-tan and Yukiji's parents, I think it would involve their adopted parents as well, since (at least) Mr. Katsura knows them through having been Yukiji's teacher, and Mrs. Katsura would probably know them as well. I also don't see Hina-tan ever willing to leave everyone behind. Miki and the rest of the trio helped her to grow into the strong individual we know her as, Hayate let her know that it's alright to love someone, and if nothing else, there's the school connection. I don't believe it's a simple solution for the student body president to suddenly vanish without causing an uproar, and she's also very popular, and she knows it. She wouldn't be able to leave that all behind, even if she were forced into it somehow. __________________ Arcion's is open for business. How would you like your hare-brained scheme? Would people quit throwing my faith in humanity being intelligent a shovel? ... Apparently there are now people in existence who are unable to use a shovel. Programming today is a race between programmers trying to create better idiot-proof programs, and the world creating better idiots. The world is winning.. by leaps and bounds. Body Language and Intonation can convey large amounts of information with a single word.

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fukarming Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009	Spoiler for ch 287: The new girl trying to rent the place. She bribes Nagi with a gundam model, making Maria and Hayate wonder why someone would bring that around. Making her even more suspicious as someone purposely sent to the apartment. Ghost Father is back, found suiciding due to K-on ending (I think he is holding Nodoka's figure). We also see Father likes Yukari Tamura's CD. The new girl then show affections to Hayate, causing Nagi to chase her away. At the end the new girl is seen calling someone. It seems she has a hidden agenda. __________________ They came first for sharks fin,I didn't speak up because I don't eat sharks fin. Then they came for foie gras,I didn't speak up because I don't eat foie gras. Then they came for Toro (bluefin tuna) sushi,I didn't speak up because I don't eat sushi. Then they came for me and force me to be a vegan by that time no one was left to speak up.

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Rah Are you a lolicon? :3 Join Date: Aug 2009	No idea, UC. I skimmed through it real fast. @Trans I don't think she'd leave with her parents regardless of the situation. She isn't someone who'd just leave everything and everyone behind for her personal gain. She was with her real parents until the age of.... 4-6? Now she's 16, and she's been with her adopted parents for much longer. They've perfectly adapted to each other by now, and like bastion said, they'd also have a say in this. After all, Hina & Yukiji are now legitimate children of the Katsura household. 'Sides that, she wouldn't leave all of her duties and friends behind. I just don't see that, no matter how much you sugar coat it. Anyways, that's that. I've got nothing else to add on the matter. Hata will probably do an arc involving Hina's real parents, and it might be surprisingly good and unexpected. Like, it's in the middle of some minor arc, and suddenly they appear and completely mess everything up. We'll see... for now, it's all about Luca, Yozora, their new home, and a foreshadowed loss in a manga contest. In the priest's situation, I'd go and stalk her around. She did mention many spiritual - like things, though if a ghost can go through other people's homes & walls, it shouldn't really be that troublesome to follow her, as long as he keeps his distance. Though, she might be able to set up some kind of barrier trap, or whatnot... Hmm... I wonder who's she working for. It's either Mikado, Aika, Luca (might be friends), or some other Sanzen'in family member. Perhaps their motives are completely off. Maybe they're just interested in the house itself. Like some kind of thieves after buried treasure, or whatnot. It's way too early to say... __________________ And then.. sharks eat them! Hahahahah!!

2010-09-07, 18:43	Link #7101
mitsuganae Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009	Personally, I rather like observing how Nagi and Hayate adjust to their new life. It's a refreshing change from the (overcooked, IMHO) drama of the Athena arc. I admit the comedy is a little low key -- maybe Hata needs to regain his comic footing. On the other hand, maybe the low key comedy is deliberate and the story is building up to another drama (what with Nagi screaming Luca's name and all). I'm usually indifferent to Hina, but her constant (w)angst over Hayate is IMHO starting to become monotonously annoying and annoyingly monotonous. On the other hand, it certainly makes her sudden departure in chapter 284 all the more sweet! It's a great "Take that!" moment.

2010-09-07, 19:30	Link #7103
Trans-Fat Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009	As much as I love Hina, I wouldn't mind if she got a new arc where she is forced to leave Hayate. Spoiler for for what I can see happen if Hina got a new arc: Hina would find her new parents. Still harboring the love she has for her parents, she will have to make a life-changing choice: to move back with her parents and will have to say goodbye forever to Hayate and co still not revealing her secret to Hayate, or stay with current company and saying goodbye forever to parents. Hina goes back with her parents without revealing her love to Hayate. Hina leaves behind note for her final farewell, still without telling Hayate her feelings, and telling company to not search for her. Hayate and company still searched for her. They found her before she leaves, and gives everyone her final goodbye in person, and tells Ayumi that she cannot keep her promise and lost the bet (from the ferris wheel scene). Hina leaves and moved back with her parents. Somewhere along the line while living with her parents, secrets revolving the parents gets revealed as to why she was abandoned. Her parents reveal that they left her because of a dark secret, and for Hina's safety, had to leave her. Hina burst into tears, asked why couldn't they take her even thru the dangers, and asked if they knew how she felt growing up without her parents. Many chapters passed when Hina left Hayate and company. Hina discovered that her parent's story was not complete, and discover the truth to why she and her older sister was abandoned. She runs away from her parents. Hayate receives a call from Katsura sensei, and ask if he could come by to her (foster parent's) place. There, Hayate finds a Nayuki'd (Nayuki Minase from Kanon) Hina; she haven't eaten, slepts, bathe for a few days. Hina won't talk. Hayate says something to Hina that got her to snap into reality, and started telling her story. This is where Hina reveals the true story about what she discovered, and why she (and her older sister) was abandoned. Yukiji reveals that she knew all about this, and about why they were both abandoned; that's why she never returned to her parents aside from her being 28 yrs old. Hina goes into about why she was never informed. Yukiji explains that she never told Hina because she loved Hina, and that it would only hurt Hina more, just like now, if Hina were to find out about it. Hina tells Hayate her fear about people she holds dear all leaving her, just like what her parents did, and ask Hayate and Yukiji if they can PROMISE not to be the ones she hold dear to leave her. Thus, Hina returns back into the storyline. For humor purposes, I would say that Hina's biological parents could have ties to Hayate's parents or Mikado. Or Hina revealing to Hayate her true feelings.

2010-09-08, 13:34	Link #7107
jsgdarkmage Simple Mage Join Date: Apr 2010	Well....It looks like the comedy is back in HnG.... Personally, I loved the drama arcs of this series (specially Athena's), but the truth is that HnG is a comedy series in its nucleus... I dont know why, but I think mikado will make appearence in this arc xD

2010-09-09, 20:24	Link #7112
madmac Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010	It's been out a while, I don't think you really need spoilers... Nagi's "...Get...OUT." moment was my favorite part of the chapter. Lots to speculate on with Yozoro there. Whatever she wants, Hayate evidently wasn't the target. She was prepared enough to bring the Gundam model but she seemed taken aback by how pissed off Nagi was. Whoever hired her doesn't know much about Nagi's crush, I don't think. Also, she seemed to think Hayate was the biggest problem, so she's probably relentlessly hitting on him as a way of keeping him off guard or just distracting everyone from her real motive. There's at least 50/50 odds she'll end up falling for him anyway, though.

2010-09-10, 15:03	Link #7115
JMvS Rawrrr! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: CH aka Chocaholic Heaven Age: 40	I'd say enough hints were given at the beginning of the arc for an urban redevelopment scheme. The introducing color pages with the high rise. Hayate commenting that the area is well located, and expressing surprise at all those old wooden houses. Yukariko's and the cat's promise. __________________

2010-09-15, 09:40	Link #7116
Used Can Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008	As for the latest chapter, nothing about Yozora. It was a Nagi-centric chapter. Nothing really happened, and I didn't find it particularly funny, but that's just me. __________________ "The name is Tin; Used is just an alias. I'm everything Shoe Box would like to be." - Used Can of the Aluminium Kingdom

2010-09-16, 01:22	Link #7118
zibi88 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008	seriously lately the chapters are not that fun especially when its all about Nagi centric >___< last time with Hina and the coffe shop was fun to see..... even last chapter with the new girl was good to watch too... but now again full nagi chapter <yawn...> nothing really happens... for me kinda nagi spreads the boredom.... when other girls are in it its more fun to watch well currently the situation with Nagi is soooo clear that we can tell what will happen next..... as for next chapter I see that no one likes and understands that nagi's manga... nagi runs away with tears and gets depressed about her whole plan.... later she decides to draw doujin-style....here Luca appears as a rival to her... so nagis story will get the parts of her improveing her drawing skills to beat luca so nagi's situation is kinda clear already so its not that interesting or funny...its kinda predictible on her case...... other thing is about other girls Hina, Athena, Nashizawa, Maria or even the new girl from past chapter.... we cant say what will happen with them and where it heads to... kinda Nagi's whole chapter centric is (at least for me) boring.... I prefer other girls on the screen as they give more fun (like frustrated Hina... or clingy new girl...) Last edited by zibi88; 2010-09-16 at 05:00.

2010-09-16, 07:43	Link #7119
madmac Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010	Eh, I like Nagi-centric chapters. And Hina has gotten especially tedious for me because nothing ever happens. Nagi at least gets a bit of character growth here and there and the stuff she does actually matters to the plot. Well, I 'll amend that a bit. I'm fine with serious Hina. "Zany love interest" Hina is really, really, tired. Still, this was a bit of a story-grinding chapter rather then a zany one. I'm glad Ayumu came along too, I was worried she was going to get left out of this arc completely after her birthday. Last edited by madmac; 2010-09-16 at 08:05.

2010-09-16, 08:32	Link #7120
Mentar Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Hamburg Age: 54	I've got to say that I'm more on the "Nagi-centric chapters are boring" side, but with the Hina chapters, I fully agree with madmac. And that even though I am a rabid Hina shipper. It's annoying me how Hata has been reducing her to a comedic sidekick lately. It's not really characteristic for her either - in the past, she has struggled with obstacles, but she overcame them, eventually. Like grappling with her own feelings until realizing the truth. Like fighting to apologize to Ayumu, until succeeding and becoming closer friends. Like her stepping back from confessing to save him and Athena. Now, her inability to deal with her feelings is making her feel stagnant. Storywise, I understand why Hata can't let her act on her interest, but just leaving Hina to rot before the door she must not open is annoying. I'd rather have her drop it and become the usual take-charge savior of justice WITHOUT an interest in Hayate than more of the "at night in a cafe" chapters which only play on the misunderstandings.