2008-05-30, 22:47 | Link #842 |
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I don't think there's a difference there...
The communist ideology acknowledges no religion. Its ideological founder Marx, who's more of a 19th century social scientist than a revolutionary ideologue, argued that "religion is the opium of the masses" (I'm paraphrasing here), which he means in a class-struggle context in that the upper classes will try to keep the masses in line through religion, among other things. So communists in the Marxist tradition are technically atheists. I don't presume to know about all the other communist ideologies out there -- there are plenty which are more or less "extinct," namely never becoming political movements in the same that Marxism became; and sometimes the line between a "socialist" and a "communist" blurs as well -- but I believe most are in agreement that religion, which to them tends to represent yet another tool of the bourgeois oppression as well as the relic of the despised ancien régime, isn't something that has a place in their social engineering ideas. In other words, Marxists consider religion to be competing against them for influence over the masses. Edit: Kang Seung Jae beats me to it. |
2008-05-31, 09:19 | Link #844 | |
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Disclaimer: I'll be the first to admit that my way of thinking is heavily influenced by Marx, because it is. However, I'm trying to appeal to common sense here and not to ideologies.
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I'd expect not only a "communist" or a "Marxist" to realize this, but anyone with a couple of grams in gray matter (and this is regardless of personal religious affiliations).
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2008-05-31, 09:26 | Link #845 | |
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hear hear. im hardcore right wing and i agree with you completely. youre right that it doesnt take a communist to understand this. whats more, its extremely effective. not that im trying to say that religion is simply a tool for manipulation though, just that religion, like everything else, has its ugly side. |
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2008-05-31, 10:24 | Link #846 | ||
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2008-05-31, 11:28 | Link #847 |
Chicken or Beef?
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It is true that Religion was the dominating force during the dark - middle ages of Europe, no one stood against the church, and the church basically controls the king, as his coronation requires the churches blessing. It was corrupt and kept the peasants in their place.
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2008-05-31, 11:43 | Link #848 | |
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This seems like the better place to insert this article than in the News thread. Regardless what I think about his time (both the good and the bad) as Prime Minister for the UK, I wish Mr Blair every luck in his new endeavour.
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2008-05-31, 14:32 | Link #849 |
Love Yourself
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Well, Blair would be right to say that the extremists are hijacking and manipulating certain members of religion, but I don't really like the sound of his idea. It sounds like he wants to counter-balance the extremists by whipping up the other religious people into a frenzy of peace. It sounds nice, but boy is that dangerous. We all have different ideas of what peace is and how to accomplish it. If it really goes to an extreme and he really is successful in creating unity among the world's religions, I foresee a nasty rift between the religious and the non-religious. The religious would probably see themselves as being on a mission of peace, and the non-religious would then be viewed as people who are getting in the way of that goal. Let's hope that the religious keep in mind that you don't need to be religious to want peace or to help others.
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2008-05-31, 15:31 | Link #850 |
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Interesting topic. I kind of had fun reading all of your posts -- I guess religion has always been interesting for me to read about.
My religion is Wicca. I feel like such a hippie when I say that, but yeah. I also have some Christian beliefs, too. I suppose what I believe is just a mix of a bunch of different beliefs. But it's mostly Wicca.
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2008-05-31, 16:41 | Link #852 | |
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Do you believe in a higher power? Do you believe there is something unexplainable till after death?
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2008-06-01, 17:18 | Link #856 |
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My religion is Shintoism and a Buddhism. It doesn't belong to a
specific religion and the sect. There are considerably a lot of ori -ginating in Shintoism and the Buddhism when thinking about the custom, the event, and sense of values. If my religion is con -cretely enumerated, it becomes this two. |
2008-06-02, 10:37 | Link #857 | |
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