2010-05-20, 15:55 | Link #10301 |
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Not really. There was just no Virgilia portrait made, since she was never featured as the main witch character of any game, so Ryukishi just used the image of her in the EP 4 boxart since in EP 5 OP there were flashes of all the other Endless Witches.
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2010-05-20, 15:57 | Link #10302 |
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Well, maybe i have found a solution... Beatrice kills Kanon or Shannon on the 4th Oct. (so the game is already started and any action does not cheange the "setup" of the game) before the relatives arrive on the island, so she can decide which one she should kill! And in the 4th episode she kills Shannon, since she does not plan any Shannon/George scene (I personally cannot see Kanon becaming red when George gives him the ring xD), like she did in the other Episodes...!
And now I think my theory has not any single hole... (If someone is interested in my theory I had posted here: http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...60#post3056860 It is very long but it could explain many things,s such as who is Beatrice, the Battler's sin, the murders, the epitath and so on...!) |
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The dominant non personality theory for Shkanon is that Kanon and Shannon have a duel at the start of the games, which allows who survives to rotate in different episodes. Quote:
remember No more than 17 humans exist on this island!! That excludes any 18th person. In short, this 18th person X does not exist!! This applies to all games!!! Beatrice has to be one of the humans on the island. She can't just be "Beatrice". And if Shannon is Beatrice she can't kill herself.
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2010-05-20, 16:07 | Link #10304 | |
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However, if you have read my theory you understand of who I am talking about...! That there are two Battler is sure because of the red Battler cannot say in the 4th Episode: My name is Ushiromiya Battler It was from Ushiromiya Asumu that Ushiromiya Battler was born. It was from Ushiromiya[, ......, ......nguh, ............?! ......?!?!"] (The original statement reads: It was from Ushiromiya Asumu that you {Battler} were born.) The meaning is clear: he is Ushiromiya Battler, Ushiromiya Battler was born by Asumu but he was not born by Asumu, so we have to assumpt there are two Ushiromiya Battler and imho one of them is the boy who has died 19 years ago because of Natsuhi. |
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2010-05-20, 16:19 | Link #10305 | |
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The sin I am now demanding that you remember is not between Ushiromiya Battler and Beatrice. In context this refers to the Battler we know. Nowhere does it say that it's Asumu's Battler. There would be no reason for him to remember if he wasn't the one who made the promise. Other than that the 19 year old master is referred to a lot in episode 6. So we are to assume that this person is alive and that he's one of the 17 people.
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2010-05-20, 16:56 | Link #10306 | |
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She just did not want to admit the sin was between them, in fact Battler says that her eyes say a different thing. I think the sin is clearly between them, but she still could say that is not between those two because (1) Beatrice is not her real name, it is just a title or (2) because she was referring to the other Battler, even though he is dead, because she didn't want to tell Battler it was between them... And more, in EP5 it is evident that there is something between them, don't you think? |
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2010-05-20, 17:02 | Link #10307 | |
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Sorry, but your theory is just on shaky ground. We haven't gotten any hints that Beatrice is a title at all and really it doesn't matter who as long as someone was affected by the sin. The important part is that Battler's sin causes people to die nothing more than that is necessary.
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2010-05-20, 17:12 | Link #10308 | |
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However, have you read what I have written two pages before, the whole text? Don't you think it makes sense? I think that at least something right there has to be.
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2010-05-20, 17:14 | Link #10309 | |
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We already know from EP6 that context is vitally important. There are red sentences in EP6 that simply say, "Acknowledged" (or 認める) . Without the proper context around them, none of these reds mean anything. Since EP6 is an answer arc, this is probably Ryukishi's way of showing us that without the proper context, a red is absolutely useless. This is because no other reds have been this non-specific before. |
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2010-05-20, 17:20 | Link #10310 | |
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The probability that one person does all the murders in every episode is extremely low. Episodes 3 and 4 make that very clear. I also don't see anything in your theory explaining the closed rooms. It's far from impressive you have a vague "who" , no how, and a very weak "why". Here is the second problem with your theory. Beatrice has no motive. At this point I think she's probably a pawn. This child has nothing to gain from having someone solve the epitaph. The gold of the Golden Land belongs to this child. She had absolutely no need to make you find it for her or to snatch it away herself. Whether the epitaph's riddle is solved or not, this child stands nothing to gain at all. Regardless of whether the epitaph is solved or not, Beato has nothing to gain. Battler-kun is not the culprit. Battler-kun didn't kill anyone. This can be said of all games. Her goal is not to make someone experience fear. And it isn't to have revenge on someone either. Beato never committed murder for the sake of pleasure. EDIT: My theory since episode 5 has been: If Beato's motive is somebody else's, i.e if she is a pawn who is ordered or coaxed to murder people by the culprit, there are no problems with the red.
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2010-05-20, 17:44 | Link #10311 | |
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And in fact all those red perfectly fits together with my theory: the gold is Beatrice's since she is the only heir of the original owner and Kinzo is dead, she has not anything to gain from having someone solve the epitath (in fact it is just a way to reinforce the Beatrice is a witch illusion), Battler is obviously not the culprit and Beato never committed murder for the sake of pleasure, in fact she did it just "for Battler" and afterwards because she was trapped by Lambdadelta. And more... the pact with Lambdadelta which Lambda allude to in the third Tea Party what could be if not what I said? And it is not as you said, I specified who Beatrice is, I said everything about her life, I don't think it is a "vague who"... xD And it is a human Beatrice committed the murder in every games, not a person X, a human Beatrice who has been already mentioned and presented a lot of time in the question arcs. And I also explained all the closed room, the "how" and the "why", going back over all the Episode singularly... and not it arise a doubt... have you read everything I have written? Because please, read everything before commenting it and if there is something not clear just ask me (I'm not very good at speaking and writing in english as you can see... xD), you give me the impression you have just read a little piace of what I have written... My theory can be, obviously, false, but I don't think it can be "disprooved", since everything fits together (and there are a lot of clues supporting it) and there is nothing contradictory (now that I have mend the problem reguarding Shannon/Kanon), at least with the clues that have been given until EP5 (I haven't read EP6, maybe in that Episode there is something disproving my theory xD)... it is just as the theory which Erika has made in EP5 of Natsuhi being the culprit, it is a possible truth, but we can't be sure it is the real truth (and in fact afterwards we discover it was false... xD) There probably could also be something contradictory in my theory I haven't noticed, but I have waited a long time before posting it, really because I had spent a lot of time looking for some mistakes, so I'm a bit sure there aren't other contradiction... Spoiler for OT XDDD:
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2010-05-20, 17:47 | Link #10312 |
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Your seriously not getting it.
No more than 17 humans exist on this island!! We're very sorry, but even if we welcome you [Erika], the number of people is seventeen. Your Beatrice piece doesn't exist unless she is one of the 17 human people in disguise. That's the whole reason Battler wanted a person X. So a human Beatrice could be the killer.
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2010-05-20, 17:52 | Link #10313 | ||
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2010-05-20, 17:59 | Link #10315 |
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I believe the qualifier "for me"means Battler is saying he wasn't aware of Beatrice, or anyone named Beatrice, at that time. Beatrice could still exist six years ago (though it's likely she didn't, at least not the one in question), but she couldn't exist for Battler.
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2010-05-20, 18:02 | Link #10316 | |
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And I want also to underline that Beatrice specify that for Battler did not exist any person WHOSE NAME IS BEATRICE, and not that she herself did not exist for Battler. Edit: Six years ago she was not Beatrice, but another person. And more, as Renall say, I just noticed that red supports my theory because six years ago FOR BATTLER no person called Beatrice existed, and in fact when Battler met Beatrice she was disguised as Shannon.
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2010-05-20, 18:07 | Link #10317 |
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You can just go ahead and say that numbers in red are in base 13 because Kinzo said that 6x9=42. Then you can have a Shannon, a Kanon, a Beatrice, an Erika, and there's one more spot left.
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2010-05-20, 18:08 | Link #10318 | |
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2010-05-20, 18:12 | Link #10319 | |
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That also explains why Shannon remembers very clearly almost everything related to Battler 6 years ago. There is also a chance that the exchange did not happen only once, but also on other family conferences (like seven and eight years ago).
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2010-05-20, 18:14 | Link #10320 | |
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For your theory to work with Knox's first her real name has to be a character mentioned early on in the story. You still haven't answered my question. Who is Beatrice?
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