2010-06-29, 16:58 | Link #12103 |
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He didn't think that though. Since Kinzo allowed her and Hideyoshi to keep the Ushiromiya name as long as she had a son before Natsuhi did. That was the first backroom deal with Kinzo we were shown.
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Just what kind of a situation would demand a secret child of Rudolf's? Getting us to doubt the red?! Probably not. Quote:
That Asumu's child ends up very expensive, and Rudolf swapping the babies becomes an act of monumental defiance. I'm actually not sure which of the variants is more interesting, Kinzo wanting Asumu's baby and Rudolf bargaining for Kyrie, or Kinzo needing both babies. Unfortunately I don't see where either would lead, as I can see no reason for Kinzo to think that Asumu would produce any kind of specific heir for him. But how would he know the child would actually be male? All of that mess was concluded before the children were born as far as I can see.
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2010-06-29, 17:06 | Link #12107 | |
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...but has the same problem, it's a very expensive way to humble Rudolf, is it really worth it when you can just smack him with a stick for a few weeks?
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2010-06-29, 17:11 | Link #12109 |
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I dunno. I agree its an expensive method, but it's Kinzo, he apparently has the money to buy Krauss a trophy wife no problem. Is he described in his madness at that point in time yet?
edit: actually, if there's any sibling who I would believe would be defiant to Kinzo, it'd be Rudolf. I can't really back up the opinion at the moment with text, but maybe it's his attitude? If you consider that and Kinzo's huge ego and self-importance, I'd have Lord Goldsmith kill an Ushiromiya =P |
2010-06-29, 17:17 | Link #12111 |
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And tying in with the magician of numbers thing he could do it so that he could double the possible births in a shorter amount of time. The whole make more babies with the same woman works unless you believe he's short on time, which I would assume he is. Babies can only be born so fast and having two women to bear children would speed that up.
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2010-06-29, 17:19 | Link #12112 | |
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Though, I think I have a possible idea why Asumu was so crucial... It's very far-fetched though, but sort of plausible. Asumu was not, in fact, pregnant from Rudolf. She was pregnant from Kinzo! Kinzo's wife was still alive at the time, because everyone, including Battler, remembers her. Kinzo wanted to have the child in the family, but for the sake of appearances and prestige could not just shut his wife up about this. So he forced Rudolf to marry Asumu and claim the child as his. Rudolf's condition was saving Kyrie from Sumaderas by paying them off, and Kinzo grudgingly accepted. Kinzo's plan was to declare the child his heir after all the other children failed to live up to his expectations. But then Rudolf won anyway - because he swapped the babies in the hospital and raised Kyrie's child like he initially wanted! Rudolf's fear of being killed reported in the first game is because he is worried that this wish of Kinzo will actually be made known!
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2010-06-29, 17:27 | Link #12113 |
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Mmm, I had thought of Asumu being a secret wife for Kinzo but I changed my mind when I thought about her spending so much time with Rudolf. But if she just bore Kinzo's child, that could make some sense. Also, I'm not sure about this but doesn't Battler initially have a very different impression of Kinzo than the other cousins? If he had preferential treatment from Kinzo, it would support that idea, which I'll research a little later. It would ALSO explain why in the magic scenes Kinzo is always so upset with Battler: he should be the one true heir and yet he abandoned the family.
edit: mmm interesting thought: maybe Asumu bearing Kinzo's child would make it why Battler HAD to be switched and both wives would be kept in the dark about Battler's true origins. What if Kinzo's child dies as a still birth and so Rudolph keeps up appearances by switching in Battler, all this confusion about stillbirth/miscarriages aside. |
2010-06-29, 17:32 | Link #12114 |
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He's also supposed to resemble and remind Beatrice a lot of young Kinzo... in addition to apparently sharing the "anti-magic" toxin to a great degree. Hm... actually that seems like a very interesting theory.
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2010-06-29, 17:32 | Link #12115 | |
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Battler's sin is actually breaking a promise which required him to become the head of the family to fullfill -- whom the promise was actually made to, does not matter, as it has no bearing on the consequences. The promise was failed at the moment he left the Ushiromiya family register six years ago, which is when the sin was actually committed, probably, long time after the promise was first made. It made Kinzo disillusioned with his last hope for a fitting heir, and lead to the creation of "Beatrice" by Kinzo, because Kinzo needed a fitting executor for his twisted will. People die "because of Battler's sin", but it's him not staying around to become Kinzo's legit heir that is the real cause, and not the promise to a girl who took it so personally.
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2010-06-29, 17:34 | Link #12116 |
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Well, he is pretty definitely Kyrie's child, since Ange is his little sister and Rudolf is his father, so yes he is. Kinzo thought he was his own fifth child, though.
But Rudolf swapped the babies on Kinzo and won.
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2010-06-29, 17:41 | Link #12118 |
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# ここは1967年の世界。
# 1967年の六軒島の隠し屋敷に、人間としてのベアトリーチェさまが存在した # 間違いなく死んでいる! This is the world of 1967. In 1967 on Rokkenjima hidden estate, a human Beatrice existed. She is dead without a doubt! Beatrice existed before Battler was even born :/ |
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