2009-08-17, 10:55 | Link #181 |
Komrades of Kitamura Kou
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Well I've fought and now have reached October 4, 1986. Here are my notes
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That's it from me for today. My brain is too fried retranslating everything so I'll hope to finish Ep5 by Thursdat since I have Wednesday and Thursday off.
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2009-08-17, 11:26 | Link #183 |
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Spoiler for rest of the meta scene:
Edit: Just assume I made a 'trap' joke here in response to Marion. :3 2nd Edit: If there are any people who can translate JP, who aren't looking at my stuff since they don't need summaries, would you mind checking some of the screenshots I've taken of things I couldn't understand but really wanted to? I'd really appreciate it. 3rd edit: fixed the screenshot >_> 4th: edited to add TheForsaken's translation, much thanks! Last edited by Kamar; 2009-08-17 at 12:13. |
2009-08-17, 11:58 | Link #186 | |
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2009-08-17, 12:11 | Link #189 | |
~kitty~
Join Date: Jul 2009
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But it really gets more and more confusing indeed.
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2009-08-17, 12:20 | Link #190 |
Who... am I?
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Zaragoza, Spain
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OK I've just readthe Episode with Atlas + Agth (I've already have practice so I understnad it pretty well) And I starteed laughing when a scene appear and I thought Ryuukishi was kind 'in your face with these scenes
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It was a great game with more character development and hate for Spoiler for hate:
The episode was just awesome, my opinions Spoiler for Opinion:
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2009-08-17, 12:28 | Link #191 |
阿賀野型3番艦、矢矧 Lv180
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Actually, what IS interesting with Bern is the fact how she acted here:
it is absolutely abnormal for her to prosecute like this, knowing that she herself should know a chunk of the truth with the red, and the fact she tends to crush her enemies in order to win. Therefore, breaking the Anti Mystery side with Knox Commandements is kinda an half baked attempt to prevent the truth to be found (regardless if it is Fantasy or Mystery), despite she most likely know that Natsuhi wasn't the culprit (if a piece like Virgilia knows about that, so should the Gamemasters and the players). What's more is how Erika is actually using Battler's very first stance, ignoring the truth but just claiming a circumstancial one. As result, I wouldn't be surprised if Bern is just acting. As much as she is definitely on a "antagonist light", she is arguably nowhere close to a true villain, considering her objective is nowhere impending Battler's. I personally don't mind much if she remains like this or if she is actually playacting, but the possibility for the latter does exist, even more so considering she isn't acting in an optimum way.
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2009-08-17, 12:33 | Link #192 |
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Her objective as stated in the first Ura Tea Party is to beat the Endless Witch, not to find the truth. When the game first started, she and Battler were aligned by mutual enmity, but, personally, I wouldn't assume that's the case any more.
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2009-08-17, 12:39 | Link #194 | |
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2009-08-17, 12:39 | Link #195 |
Gamilas Falls
Join Date: Feb 2008
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Boredom is the only poison that can kill a witch. Perhaps Battler and Beato's position at this point is boring...Bern and Lambda hate being bored. Time to change the rules/playing field to keep it interesting.
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2009-08-17, 12:43 | Link #196 | |
I want to believe.
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Pennsylvania
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She probably thought that everything would be fine and dandy with Battler if she let his family get off the island unscathed and if the "truth" of the murders was found. Or maybe this was all just some act to rile Battler up... who knows? |
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阿賀野型3番艦、矢矧 Lv180
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The real problem between the two is how, in the end, the means are totally different which don't go well with each other. If Battler was really focalised on finding the culprit, the whole deal with Beato wouldn't affect him that much, and him turning into a GM proves he finally understood his true objective, beneath "prove the witches didn't do it" => "find the real truth", which should naturally prove the witches didn't do it. Bern wouldn't clash with Battler if she was on her objective without much screwy strategy, her means and plans just go unethical at some point, ever since Episode 4. If we strip their methods, they "should" be natural allies, but of course now it is a total different story (but I still think they aren't "enemies" to the first degree). Quote:
Thus, the main issue I have with her strategy in Episode 5 is that she doesn't give Battler the tools to end the game quickly. Also, she doesn't even terminate Battler: Battler is her piece, so she "should" be able to discard him even before he became a GM. Thus, the fact she left him roaming was absolutely a fool play, similar to Beatrice's whimsical habits, which is not Bern's style. On the other hand, Lambda is preparing a huge personal agenda, considering that she is nowhere close to act as usual, but she is by no means "nicer". She is the driving factor for the "endless" torture for most players and pieces so heh.
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2009-08-17, 12:54 | Link #198 |
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Regarding Furudo Erika, I think her small faults overshadows her deductive power... at least before tea party. It's true that she has a bad personality, and have a lust for solving mysteries without respecting others, but her deductions are also almost flawless.
I'll leave the analysis out tho, since it's spoiler-ish.
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